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Metal / Re: What is black metal, as art?
« on: January 17, 2006, 12:47:36 AM »
I would argue that black metal (or at least, the black metal worth discussing seriously) is centered on the expression of reconstructive nihilism (that is, a nihilism that posits a way beyond the current order).  This, I think is the key divergence from death metal, which was concerned with a sort of 'postmodern' nihilism that was fundamentally deconstructive.  Death metal focused on, well, death.  Black metal seeks rebirth.

Sounds like anus.com's brand of nihilism. Where most nihilism is existential, or people worrying about meaning in their own lives, anus.com's nihilism is a spiritual discipline. It's not finding no value, it's removing objective value in order to find objective structure. Value = subjective, structure = objective; we are judged by what we value, and justly so...

who prefer ulver to burzum

Metal / Re: Asking for some honest, non-bullshit replies h
« on: January 17, 2006, 12:46:02 AM »
I think metal has been suffering from a lack of dynamics, at least when it comes to technical metal.  

I agree. Tangerine Dream is another example to strive for. Black metal is generally "softer" than death - I'm thinking first albums from Darkthrone, Enslaved, Immortal here - and could be fused with technical death, noise and some classically-inspired guitar playing to make a nifty hybrid.

Metal / Re: Averse Sefira - Jan. 14th in Austin, TX
« on: January 17, 2006, 12:03:21 AM »
If anyone who went would like to write a review, we'd like to spread one around. Average readership of show reviews on anus.com: 51-56 impressions daily, higher when new by 5-6x factor.

Metal / Deathspell Omega
« on: January 17, 2006, 12:00:04 AM »
I've discovered the truth: this band is Ulver Part II, meaning that they're insincere but musically adept enough to make black metal that's better than the rest, but empty as hell when listened to over a long term.

Infernal Battles: This is a blatant Gorgoroth ripoff, even down to production, and while it passes conveniently without disturbing and while being "good" in the most basic sense, it's wallpaper.

Kenose: A trend attempt that is the faux elitist black metal equivalent of Pantera.

Si Monumentum Requires Circumspice: They might as well call this "Automatic for the People" - like later REM, it's musically better than their earlier stuff, and any one moment is beautiful and even profound, but when stitched together, it's mostly aesthetic and has nothing to say.

There was some other 2-song or 3-song EP I heard, but it was complete fucking garbage. Send this band and Ulver back to Africa.

Metal / "The Gift of Death Metal"
« on: January 16, 2006, 09:33:22 PM »

Metal / Burzum forums
« on: January 15, 2006, 11:49:19 PM »
We've just restored the Burzum forum. It needs experienced users who can contribute interesting conversation to drown out the inevitable idiots. Frostwood is finding us some moderators, so if you're interested send him a line.


Rumors of a new Burzum album float around. Apparently, it's a metal album and will be made either from prison or immediately following release.

* Should another album be made?

* Should it be metal, keyboard or traditional Norsk instruments?

* Should he continue to avoid directly stating political opinion, so his albums keep that "power art" feel?

* Who's going to publish it?

Some of us here talked it over and here was the consensus: no to more politics in the music; keep it in interviews. Yes to another album, no to metal. We have no idea how he'll get it published.

- Music forum


All musicians have ideas. These ideas, when they deal with other people, are political. Even the most "individualistic" person wants to control others. Musicians, like any artists, when they make music will often incorporate some of these ideas. Some are purely in sound form, and others are given words, and here's where they can get into trouble.

It's not race itself that's the taboo of our time. It's the idea that we are determined by biological factors more than social ones. Society wants to believe it can give us money, educate us, indoctrinate us and force us through public health care and it will have produced the best citizens it can. The ugly (for some) truth is that much as we breed animals or plants, we have to breed humans. Race is part of this, as is eugenics, as is worship of genius. This taboo line defies our modern philosophy of "materialistic individualism."

Varg, unlike most metal musicians, was willing to cross that line -- and others follow (bravery is rewarded, sometimes).

All the good things in life are not for sale. Fine art can be sold, but you're buying the CD, not the ability to create or understand or share the music. Culture cannot be created with televisions, nor can it be made profitable. It's either culture, or consumerism. It's either good leadership, or democracy. It's either racial separation, or genocide. Burzum stepped out and showed us that, if we want to see the world of higher ideals and fantasy shown us in his music, we have to oppose modern society at a philosophical level.

- Ideas Forum


Many good topics arose on the last incarnation, although admittedly it died a slow and painful death. The popularity of Burzum within Black Metal invites all sorts of people. Especially the wild, liberal trolls complaining about the ideals of Varg... such is life.

Are these forums going to be publicised soon?

- Community Forum

If you want to help:

* Post the URL to the forum everywhere as a new message, for example in blog or forum or news service, Subject: New Burzum Forum launched; content: any part of the above message.

* Put the URL in your signature file on any forums or userlink services (MySpace, LinkedIn, Ringo) where you're a member.

* Anytime you rip a Burzum mp3, include site URL and forum URL in a README.TXT file.


Metal / Re: Art and Product
« on: January 15, 2006, 10:36:32 PM »
I don't know how this will work, but I put together a summary of views. I did not include all; some duplicated others. I did include some duplicates if their articulation was distinct enough to be worth capturing. There is no rule for what is here, but nonetheless, it is the content of argument:

I'd say once the artistic component of a piece is sold, it becomes product.  When you're making something for money alone and don't put any of your soul into the piece, you're a whore.


If, however, the art is manufactured and the intent of selling it and maximizing profit becomes a substantial motivating factor behind its creation, then I'd say it becomes a product.


Music that is made to convey the ideas of the author in an artistic context is art, even though it may be commissioned and even have its topic decided elsewhere.

Music that is made exclusively to pander to what the crowd wants to think it thinks, or to convey a commercial message, or to make the ideas of the author into propaganda is a sell-out.


Artists create for themselves, entertainers create with pleasing an audience in mind.


Art = designed to communicate experience.

Product = designed to capture, and replicate mechanically, experience (hence, logically, the experience is always simpler).


"I think some young people want a deeper experience. Some people just wanna be hit over the head and, you know, if then they [get] hit hard enough maybe they'll feel something. You know? But some people want to get inside of something and discover, maybe, more richness. And I think it will always be the same; they're not going to be the great percentage of the people. A great percentage of the people don't want a challenge. They want something to be done to them -- they don't want to participate. But there'll always be maybe 15% maybe, 15%, that desire something more, and they'll search it out -- and maybe that's where art is, I think." ~ Bill Evans


If you make any changes to your art, even the slightests, with the purpose to please (or sell) to anyone else, then it becomes a product.


It seems to me that art as such speaks to something, if not eternal, then at least out of time.  Product is always of its moment and nothing more.  This is why, when immersed in the moment, product can often successfully masquerade as art, even for intelligent, discriminating people.  What it doesn't have is staying power.

Anyone want to write up a FAQ on this one?

Metal / Atheist demi-tour
« on: January 15, 2006, 04:31:40 AM »
ATHEIST regroup; announce exclusive festival appearances

Seminal technical metal pioneers ATHEIST have regrouped for a run of exclusive live performances.

Guitarist/vocalist Kelly Schaefer has reassembled what is widely considered the bands classic recording lineup (Schaefer, guitarist Rand Burkey, bassist Tony Choy, and drummer Steven Flynn) for two exclusive festival performances; Italy's Evolution Festival and Germany's Wacken Open Air. Schaefer comments, "We're very excited to be able to get back on the stage and play these insane tunes hit the air again the proper way with Flynn, Burkey and Choy. It's going to be very exciting and something not to be missed!."

ATHEIST will take part on Evolution Festival (scheduled for July 16 and 17 in Brescia, Italy) and Wacken Open Air (scheduled for August 3-5 in Schleswig Holstein, Germany). These will be the first in a series of exclusive festival performances announced. Shaefer continuess, "We would like to make a great festival run this year and expose as many as possible to the music we lived and died for. Many thanks to the Evolution Festival and Wacken for helping to give many people who never got to see ATHEIST live a chance to see us one last time. This is our chance to make the music we worked so hard to create come alive one last time, and we guarantee that it will not disappoint."

ATHEIST has recently had it's wildly-influential catalog (1988's 'Piece of Time', 1993's 'Elements', and the 1991's legendary 'Unquestionable Presence') reissued internationally via Relapse Records. Additionally, "Unquestionable Presence" was recently featured in Decibel magazine as part of its ongoing Hall of Fame feature. The Hall of Fame feature highlights influential and pivotal releases in metal history, and "Unquestionable Presence" will join of ranks of previously profiled classics such as SLAYER's "Reign In Blood", SEPULTURA's "Roots", and AT THE GATES' "Slaughter of the Soul", among others.

ATHEIST are available for interviews upon request. To speak with the band, simply contact *** at Relapse Records via any of the means listed at the bottom of this message. Updated ATHEIST news / tour information will be made available via the Relapse Records website: www.RELAPSE.com and the ATHEIST website: www.OfficialAtheist.com.

Audiofile / Carbonized
« on: January 15, 2006, 02:01:58 AM »
Carbonized MP3s

"Members of Therion and Entombed make grindcore with the epic structure and melody of death metal."

Carbonized - For The Security (1991)

Carbonized - For The Security (1991, Mega)

Carbonized - Disharmonization (1992) [ CD ]

Carbonized - Disharmonization (1992, Mega)

Metal / Re: Update
« on: January 13, 2006, 12:28:48 AM »

Metal / Re: Asking for some honest, non-bullshit replies h
« on: January 12, 2006, 11:50:36 PM »
Second side is better; "Epoch" is a standout track. Do I detect a Kataklysm influence? Some of the cleaner tracks that showcase more traditional material are actually their best.

Tracks: Of Perverted Hope and Fragment, The Luster of Pandemonium, Sacrifice, Epoch.

I guess I'm somewhere in the middle re: the opinions on this one, but it will take time to see how long it lasts. I think one reason people talk about this in such weird praiseful terms is that metal is sucking ass right now, and this represents hope. If I could send a wish to this band, it would be thus: explore nonconventional, longer melodies, and writer purposefully. Better to be the Misfits than a wanky jazz band, if you have to find a side on which to err, but that being said, never give up the dream of technical metal that is also as soulful as Enslaved's Vikinglgr Veldi, Atheist's Unquestionable Presence, or Morbid Angel's Blessed are the Sick.

Metal / Re: Asking for some honest, non-bullshit replies h
« on: January 12, 2006, 09:51:03 PM »
What is the big fucking deal about Crimson Massacre?

Aesthetics: they make prog-metal in the death style and absolutely nail it. Not much if any "metalcore" and I sense these guys aren't going emo for awhile, with plenty of nods to the past greats of metal. On Aesthetics, I give them an A+.

Content: I'm listening to this now, so this is an unformed and not official opinion, but:

1) It's very fill-y. Phrase, counterphrase, and both are filled with lead guitar fills that do not contribute much artistically.

2) It's extremely busy, including drums.

3) Whither longer melodies? These guys have the talent; write something like At the Gates "The Burning Darkness." That's how you make something eternal.

I'm still listening -- a very good sign -- but I can see why some would find this empty and others praise it. I encourage it - I think what I'm hearing now resembles a demo-stage more than album stage, but if they keep developing, they'll get over how powerful they are with their instruments and focus more on the timeless aspects of composition. I like the violence of the drums and the use of differing strum speeds as textures to stop phrase in guitar - there's a lot of promise here.

Blaphbee, I'm sure they would benefit from some of your advice. I'm tempted to keep mailing them At the Gates and Burzum CDs until they see my point of view, which, probably they do not.

N.B.: I'm taking a leap of faith here that the Crimson Massacre guys handle criticism as well as Clayton and Harkonin did, and better than the guys from Adumus do. It's rare in this scene to have people greet anything less than total adulation with positive remarks or a lack of interpersonal recrimination (sounds like a Suffocation title).

Metal / Re: Averse Sefira - Jan. 14th in Austin, TX
« on: January 12, 2006, 09:32:20 PM »
The show is 21+, so all underrage beware.

Agh. One reason capitalism can suck is that bars make their money from drinks, and OH NO, someone underage might drink. We make it illegal so they can all take drugs instead.

ETMwebmistress: Would love to; depends on work schedule, which right now is not looking favorable. I love being three hours from Austin except when such shows come up. Looks like you're doing great work on this one and I hope we can have someone there as a correspondent!

Metal / Re: Update
« on: January 12, 2006, 09:23:05 PM »
No Fun: I may be dense. Of what are you speaking? Number of male sex partners? lol HY

TC: I remember liking The Haunted, for what they were, but utterly lacked impetus to listen to them. Around here At the Gates is playing quite a bit. Stay tuned for more information on that front.

On a slightly related note:

Harkonin "Sermons of Anguish" Review on This Page

I am a blunt man; some would say, "an asshole." I only know what I perceive as truth and I say it regardless of consequences (if I could kiss ass, this site would be the #1 metal site in the universe). Some people can take less-than-adoring reviews quite well, and that's a total rarity in this community. I'd like to thank the Harkonin guys for being men in a community of kiddeez on this issue.

Metal / Re: Update
« on: January 11, 2006, 10:23:30 PM »
My Bloody Valentine

Good point.

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