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Metal / Re: legion, is there any other album like it?
« on: November 29, 2005, 09:33:08 PM »
No.

Nearby:
Immolation
Gorguts
Sinister


2267
Metal / Re: Black metal = terms contradicting aesthetics?
« on: November 29, 2005, 09:32:30 PM »
All good things from humanity are playful.

Even murder!


2268
Metal / Re: What is "Black" to you?
« on: November 29, 2005, 09:31:31 PM »
http://www.gnaa.us/

I don't think genre distinction is pointless. Each genre is its own artistic movement. Cradle of Filth never was black metal; Burzum always was.

If you want to know what's "black," read the English Romantic and Gothic writers. They're the archetype for black metal.


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Metal / Re: Averse Sefira - Plagabraha from new album
« on: November 29, 2005, 08:59:42 PM »
This review is sometimes a bit talky, but I think he makes good points:

http://www.metalwhore.com/cd/as_ta.html


2271
Metal / Morbid Thoughts Records - Demilich tour
« on: November 28, 2005, 04:52:58 AM »
News:
http://www.myspace.com/24999085

Site:
http://www.morbidthoughts.net/

"Morbid Thoughts Records was created to support the death and black metal community and bands. Over the past two years MTR has assisted both local and international bands in getting exposure, publication and credit. Our specialty is collectible vinyl LPs made with care and diligence of presentation. We support both underground legends and new talent, and can help bands and fans connect through a common worship of metal!"

2272
Metal / Re: Capitalism and downloading.
« on: November 27, 2005, 11:42:40 PM »
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I hear constantly how downloading is bad for metal, bad for the bands, makes one untrue, and all kinds of other rhetoric usually designed to boost ones ego based on the number of releases owned.


I think it's evolution. Hear everything before you buy, and buy only the best; this rapidly forces music to be either better or more popular. Right now it's the latter because of a predominance of shitheads.

When you think about it, before internet culture, people were a lot more careful with their money. They trusted writers and magazines more. It was a greater weight (heavy!!!) at the time of making the decision.

That was probably better, but for now, downloading should be encouraged so that there is a chance for better art to prevail. We also need more violent writers.

2273
Metal / Re: Thrash
« on: November 27, 2005, 11:40:47 PM »
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What's some good Thrash? I've probably heard it, but hey, it's worth a try to find something new.


DRI
COC
MDC
Cryptic Slaughter
Fearless Iranians From Hell
Suicidal Tendencies


2274
Metal / Re: Black metal = terms contradicting aesthetics?
« on: November 27, 2005, 11:40:14 PM »
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Black Metal is a contradiction because the aesthetics associated with "Black" are the complete opposite of the aesthetics of "Metal."


Metal is the aesthetic term, while "black" is a term describing its philosophical content.


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Metal / Re: Art and Product
« on: November 25, 2005, 06:57:36 PM »
In dramatic contrast, the simplistic and disorganized ramble from known data-forger WikiPedia:

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A number of metal bands have been criticized of selling out. In particular, during the 1980s with the mainstream popularity of glam rock and hair metal, many metal fans of more underground subgenres (thrash metal, death metal, etc.) accused the mainstream bands of betraying the original importance of musical innovation and serious subject matter in the roots of early heavy metal, instead focusing merely on aesthetic appeals such as heavy makeup, teased long hair, extravagant outfits and live concerts, frequent sexually-themed lyrics, and other bombastic excesses (see also This Is Spın̈al Tap). By the end of the decade, hair metal was often targeted as sellout, "corporate rock" and led directly to the development of anti-mainstream grunge music.

Perhaps the most (in)famous example of selling out often cited by metal fans is that of Metallica. During the 80s, the band played fast, aggressive thrash metal and repeatedly stated that they would never record a music video. Eventually they yielded, recording a video for the song One from the album ...And Justice For All. Many feel that every album the band have recorded since this point has been more accessible and radio friendly than the one that preceded it. It is also worth mentioning that the documentary Some Kind of Monster, which covers the lengthy process of creating the St. Anger album, shows the band recording an endorsment for a radio contest against their wishes in order to secure airplay for their new material. The band also received criticism and accusations of selling out after filing a lawsuit that brought about the downfall of peer-to-peer pioneer Napster.
- WikiPedophile


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Metal / Re: Black Metal...Drying Up?
« on: November 25, 2005, 06:36:05 PM »
I don't see the point in recreating black metal; if we find the same path of belief, something as good will be created. It's like truth itself, which can have many forms.

I do not believe in "retro" and re-creating the past, whether Communist Russia or Nazi Germany, because the present is a different time. However, the same values that inspired either or both of those pasts can be applied now. Time doesn't change all that much except the aesthetics.

Worth five minutes' time isn't good enough to me. Original Nordic and Greek black metal was epically good, as good as King Crimson or Kraftwerk or Tangerine Dream or early REM (Chronic Town), and should be lauded. The stuff that does not come close to that standard is not worth my time; I have Bruckner's 4th and 8th sitting right here, and they crush anything but the best of popular culture.

2277
Metal / Re: Averse Sefira - Plagabraha from new album
« on: November 25, 2005, 06:10:58 PM »
That's our first "Averse Sefira" troll. Don't forget to hit Fecal Mentality Productions...


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Metal / Re: Art and Product
« on: November 25, 2005, 05:20:02 PM »
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Do any of you make the effort to distinguish the line?


Yes:

Music that is made to convey the ideas of the author in an artistic context is art, even though it may be commissioned and even have its topic decided elsewhere.

Music that is made exclusively to pander to what the crowd wants to think it thinks, or to convey a commercial message, or to make the ideas of the author into propaganda is a sell-out.

It is all about intention.


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Metal / Re: Overrated.
« on: November 25, 2005, 05:18:05 PM »
For me, art should be something truly excellent or it should perish. There's enough room for mediocre in the landfill, and if we praise mediocrity, we end up with thousands of times more mediocre in the landfill than we need to put there.

Think of it this way: if an audience buying 100,000 CDs a year, and then throwing them out, could do with 1,000 CDs a year (which will last longer before being thrown out) of higher quality, than why should we not enforce this policy?

Do we care that people "think" they need more things, when they really need better quality things?


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Metal / Re: Black Metal...Drying Up?
« on: November 25, 2005, 05:14:50 PM »
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Not to say these bands are great, profound, or original, but worthy of a listen? Probably.


If I want mediocrity, I'll simply listen to another genre. Why would you tolerate something that is mediocre AND black metal when there is higher quality elsewhere? Your answer makes no sense.

I don't believe the genre has run its course... I believe the fans have lost direction. There are a few still vital acts, but they're lost in the flood of those bands you consider "worthy of a listen? Probably", the ego mania of newer fans, the drama of every single fan having a band/label/zine/website, etc.

The genre needs to die and be reborn. Anything else is a fucking copout.

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