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Metal / Re: Thrash metal
« on: November 25, 2004, 08:06:14 PM »
Speed metal was like NWOBHM pioneers just played faster without a whole lot of direct punk influence on the riffs(chugging palm mutes usually lacking- see Agent Steel for a good example) Thrash/crossover was mostly punk/hardcore with minor metal elements(DRI are a good example)

Speed metal was usually defined by the muted riffing. The other stuff I refer to as "power metal," but in the day was simply called heavy metal.

DRI, COC, Cryptic Slaughter, Dead Horse and Fearless Iranians From Hell are good examples of Thrash bands.

Metal / Re: Thrash metal
« on: November 25, 2004, 12:38:32 AM »
Arguing that thrash never really existed all of a sudden on technical grounds is kind of silly

Thrash metal never existed.

Thrash existed.

Death and black metal were terms not in common use except among the few, but were standardized enough to make it into Spin in 1991-1992 (?).

This isn't an anal-retentiveness issue for me as much as a historically correct one: to give the term "thrash" to speed metal is to slight another genre.

It's like calling Metallica "black metal."

Metal / Re: Thrash metal
« on: November 24, 2004, 01:39:07 AM »
How it happened was shockingly simple, actually: magazines, labels and radio DJs discovered that "thrash" was a more saleable term than "speed metal."

But what one poster said above is true about the divergence: thrash wasn't really metal music, but it borrowed a lot from metal - as did almost every later hardcore band. It was crossover, and it came about after HC died. Then the metal bands did the crossover thing, and took a lot of thrash - the speed, the punk breaks (see Overkill for examples), the voices - and turned it into metal music.

Kind of like the difference between an Italian and an Arab. An Arab is a Semite with some Caucasian blood (thrash); an Italian is a Caucasian with some Arab blood (speed metal).

Metal / Thrash metal
« on: November 23, 2004, 10:26:59 PM »
In my view, and historically speaking, this is a nonsense term.

Thrash music = metal/HC crossover.

Speed metal = Metallica, Destruction, Megadeth, Exodus

They are radically different genres, and both embrace leftism with the lock-step of post-hardcore punk bands.

Metal / Metal master's thesis
« on: November 20, 2004, 02:11:43 PM »
He ain't just heavy he's a masters student
13 November 2004

As Dave Snell sits on an old wooden bench, dressed in a black Marilyn Manson T-shirt, slightly unshaved and wearing dark glasses, he assures us he is not a violent thug or a weird loner.

He looks the part of a heavy metal music listener though and indeed he is.

But, the 24-year-old is also a Waikato University masters student researching why people listen to heavy metal and trying to change the perception society has of him and his peers.

"A lot of us have got into the scene (heavy metal) as a reaction to something that has happened in our lives. They may be having trouble at home or fighting oppression. It really helped me when I was diagnosed with Crohn's disease when I was 15. It was a way of venting my frustration," he said.

The Metallica fan said heavy metal also enabled people to make friendships and develop a sense of community around the music.

"It really bugs me that it comes under such criticism. Others think that people who listen to heavy metal are uneducated or bums. From my own experience people within the scene place a great deal of value on being part of that (heavy metal) group."

Dave, who would like to study for a postgraduate diploma in community psychology, has had different reactions from people about his research.

"People in the heavy metal scene are ecstatic about it, and people in the psychology department at the university are really supportive. Others outside of the university think it's a bit of a joke or look down their nose at it."

"We're stereotyped as being angry and violent, but it's just the way people interpret the lyrics. People tend to take very literal translations but you have to know about the band and when the song was written. Context plays a big part. But the more people know about the scene and understand it, the better," he said.

He hoped to complete his thesis on heavy metal next year.


Metal / Re: Immolation - Harnessing Ruin
« on: November 14, 2004, 03:52:44 PM »

Long-running New York-based death metallers IMMOLATION have set Harnessing Ruin as the title of their new album, tentatively due late March 2005. The album was recorded at Millbrook Sound Studios with Paul Orofino producing. A new video for the track "Dead to Me" is currently in the works. The band will also be performing at next year's Maryland Death Fest.

Harnessing Ruin track listing:
01. Swarm of Terror
02. Our Savior Sleeps
03. Challenge the Storm
04. Harnessing Ruin
05. Dead to Me
06. Son of Iniquity
07. My Own Enemy
08. Crown the Liar
09. At Mourning's Twilight

Metal / Re: Velvet Cacoon Interview
« on: November 13, 2004, 10:35:34 PM »
Velvet Caccoon are not bad; they're also not memorable. Sometimes it's best to make great music before one attaches politics to it. It worked for Burzum.

I also have a hearty distrust for novelty instruments and stances. It's possible these guys were ELF buddies who eventually decided to make black metal; good for them, I guess. But in my view what they're really doing is adding thousands of CDs to the human landfill record.

For context, however, there have been only about five post-1998 black metal albums that have had any impact on me. The rest have recently been sold to Half Price Books at Kirby and Rice Blvd, if anyone wants them. I sure don't. Landfill.

Another way to say this: I prefer what is excellent. Mediocre is depressing. It hasn't occurred to many yet that the difference between today's black metal and that of the past is qualitative, not chronological.

Metal / Re: Atheist-Unquestionable Presence
« on: November 13, 2004, 10:31:55 PM »
I can't answer definitively, but my advice is to get the FLACs and lyrics and call it a day. I do not believe the label will be releasing any more.

Metal / Post-2000 albums
« on: November 13, 2004, 05:48:25 AM »
What are the good metal albums released after the year 2000?

Averse Sefira - Battle's Clarion
Ildjarn-Nidhogg - 2003

Low standards = low future for the genre.

Metal / Re: What does Black Metal mean to u?
« on: November 11, 2004, 03:45:28 AM »
BRITNEY SPEARS - I'm A Slave 4 U Lyrics

I know I may be young, but I've got feelings too.
And I need to do what I feel like doing.
So let me go and just listen.

All you people look at me like I'm a little girl.
Well did you ever think it be okay for me to step into this

Always saying little girl don't step into the club.
Well I'm just tryin' to find out why cause dancing's what I

Get it get it, get it get it (WHOOOA)
Get it get it, get it get it (WHOOOOOA) (Do you like it)
Get it get it, get it get it (OOOHHHH) (This feels good)

I know I may come off quiet, I may come off shy.
But I feel like talking, feel like dancing when I see this guy.

What's practical is logical. What the hell, who cares?
All I know is I'm so happy when you're dancing there.

I'm a slave for you. I cannot hold it; I cannot control it.
I'm a slave for you. I won't deny it; I'm not trying to hide it.

Baby, don't you wanna, dance upon me,
(I just wanna dance next to you)
To another time and place.
Baby, don't you wanna, dance upon me,
(Are you ready)
Leaving behind my name, my age.
(Lets go)

(Like that)
(You like it)
(Now watch me)

Get it get it, get it get it (WHOOOA)
Get it get it, get it get it (WHOOOOOA)
Get it get it, get it get it (OOOHHHH)

I really wanna dance, tonight with you.
(I just can't help myself)
I really wanna do what you want me to.
(I just feel I let myself go)

I really wanna dance, tonight with you.
(Wanna see you move)
I really wanna do what you want me to.
(Uh Uh Uh)

Baby, don't you wanna, dance upon me,
(I just wanna dance next to you)
To another time and place.
Baby, don't you wanna, dance upon me,
(Are you ready)
Leaving behind my name, my age.

I'm a slave for you. (Take that) I cannot hold it; I cannot
control it.
I'm a slave (It just feels right) for you. (It just feels good)
I won't deny it; I'm not trying to hide it. (Baby)

Get it get it, get it get it (WHOOOA)
Get it get it, get it get it (WHOOOOOA)
Get it get it, get it get it (OOOHHHH)

Get it get it, get it get it (WHOOOA)
Get it get it, get it get it (WHOOOOOA)
Get it get it, get it get it (OOOHHHH)

I'm a slave for you. (Here we go now)
I cannot hold it; I cannot control it.
I'm a slave for you. (Here we go) I won't deny it, (Yeah)
I'm not trying to hide it.

(Like that)

Metal / Re: Download Metal MP3s
« on: November 10, 2004, 11:04:54 AM »
- The Pillorian Age
- Where No Life Dwells reissue
- Sworn Allegiance

Metal / The American Nihilist Party
« on: November 10, 2004, 11:04:01 AM »
The American Nihilist Party is a punk metal band from Portland Maine, incepted late 2001.


Metal / Solitude Aeturnus
« on: November 08, 2004, 08:30:20 PM »
Dallas doom metal band Solitude Aeturnus release their 6th album on Massacre Records in early 2005. Visit their website to listen to their music.


Join the Yahoo!(tm) group to get updates about Solitude Aeturnus.


Metal / Re: Download Metal MP3s
« on: November 08, 2004, 04:39:40 PM »
The Heralds of Oblivion - Vol 1 (Mutilage, Catalepsy, Demolition, Brainstorm, Decomposed = LA death metal bands from early 1990s)
Tormentor/Destruction - demos 1984

Metal / QUIETUS on rapture radio
« on: November 07, 2004, 12:06:32 PM »
Rapture Radio will be playing the new version of
"Destroyer of Worlds" from QUIETUS this Sunday
(November 7th) at 6 PM CST (GMT -06:00) on The Rapture
Sabbath! The Rapture Sabbath is a two-hour competition
on the first Sunday of every month between twenty
bands where their songs are played and then voted upon
by the listeners, and the best ones are put on their
CD compilations for worldwide promotion! This is a
great opportunity for underground bands, so
submissions are welcome for upcoming shows. Tune in
tomorrow night and vote to show your support! If you
haven't checked out the new version of "Destroyer of
Worlds" with drummer Iwan Hendrikx, be sure to check
it out on the Rapture Sabbath!

To tune in, go to:

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