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Interzone / The weeding out of good people
« on: May 02, 2011, 08:39:22 AM »
I wrote this in "Amerika" under another alias, sorry for some bad english:

I am from the toilet of “white” europe, the southern part, specifically Greece. In my early teens I was intuitively very conservative and anti-sexual Revolution, I then became a liberal, then returning to my early idea that 99,999% (metaphorically “all”) people are morons and their opinions are insignificant, I evolved from liberal to stalinist, in my first adolescent years I gradually turned from stalinism to esoteric fascism and technofutilism and more or less returned to my free intuitive conservative I had as a young kid before the storm of propaganda got me and I felt so proud when I did.

I am living a kind of schizophrenic life, I believe in culture, however I can’t find anything suitable (yet) to relate to here in this shithole where conservatism = jew-like behavior, dogma, insane religion, servitude, irrational narrow-minded beliefs etc. I believe in preserving ethnic heritage, but I see the Greek people as so bastardized that I don’t think any of us resemble to the Ancient Greeks. Therefore, I belive a very radical solution here is the only solution. If there is any solution at all.

I am an ANUS follower but I like amerika too. However I believe it would be better helping personally all of us troubled “young people” with social articles, articles about preserving clear thought of avoiding propaganda, of avoiding depression, servitude and passivity, I believe that we should fix ourselves, meet our (sensible) needs and when we are good with ourselves and feel a sense of mild fulfullment then become warriors and start activism and the spreading of healthy values and ideas.

In short, this goes to you authors of Amerika, I think there is some broken but intelligent, depressed but inherently innovative and creative, confused but not sold-out, youth out there. It is not binary CONSERVATIVE/HARD WORKING/CULTURED/FEARLESS …OR… WASTED/SHITHEAD/MALLCORE/FATALISTIC/DRUNK/EMO there are good people over the edge, please help them with more individual-targeted self-preservation social articles. Not saying to boost egos and nurture ego-mania, but it is pity seeing good people dying of depression, being weeded out because of bitternes off (general) rejection. Look at Ted Kaczynski, if I got it right, he may never had a relationship with a girl. The first thought of many (without knowing who we are talking about) would be “This is a looser, and a coward” but I say again, look at Ted Kaczynski, you know

You got it, all I say is we can't use double standars and write off every timid, shy person as a cowardly failure and then praise Ted Kaczynski who may have been pathologically shy. I am not pro-nerds but some people need a hand, people who don't belong to the scum. Do we need all Ted Kaczynskis living in cabins and while (0,0000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of them) might send a valuable message to the world, all the others will die of depression? Anus had some more staff like this but Amerika and (especially) corrupt had very few. Whate are your thoughts on this? Thank you for reading

Interzone / Re: is Corrupt.org a sham?
« on: February 24, 2011, 02:56:51 AM »
Unsurprisingly, this made the autistics from ANUS freak out. But they eventually retreated back to their hugboxes and Corrupt was a pretty good site for a while.

The larger "less alienated" audience usually cannot understand, or is not willing to, or will misunderstand the message. And they need it watered down.

Don't confuse alienated with dysfunctional. One can be alienated in his mind but living like a human being, socializing etc. I think I belong in this category, I live my life as a normal person with friends, family etc, but I KNOW I have to lie to appear "normal" or "hip" or whatever is needed to be sociable. For example did Adolf Hitler need to tell the whole truth to the broad (including non alienated) masses when he was trying to gain power?

Anyway, all I said is quite useless because the single most hard fact that (IMO)made  corrupt.org trash is that it was living with contradictions, eg. that of the spirit of a nihlist vs that happy-flower-easter-church shit. And what's all that fucking shit with christianity? Since we know that in it's core it is a loser mindset, there are exceptions but in persons not in ideological sects. It is not my fault that 99,999% of the europeans that are going to visit corrupt.org will be christians and so corrupt.org doesn't have the guts to speak of superior pagan spiritualism. It is their faults or their genetics' fault that they believe the god of the Jews.

And if someone is going to stand up and tell me that corrupt.org is trying to persuade the masses slowly to gradually turn to more nihilistic values its ok. But let us see it for what it is, simply propaganda (positive but still propaganda) for people more fearful (spiritually) and with lesser clarity than us. It is not genuine passing of knowledge from father to son, like anus.

Interzone / Re: Political/social philosophy of ANUS members
« on: December 29, 2010, 05:57:01 AM »
I would describe myself as:

1) Nationalist: Preserve Culture and Race
2) Eugenicist: Not "whooaa kill the weak". But gradually cleanse the race of bad genes, that are not just abstractly bad for the race but a potential torture for every kid born with these. The methods for those eugenics may vary, but I am more in favor of birth control than instant killing of lessers, why kill someone if you can prevent them from being born.
3) for Federal Goverment / Autonomous Communities: Kind of restricted Federal Goverment, regulating only the vital national issues. For example if a community decides to dump toxic waste... waste them.
4) Eco-Fascist: Nature valued above human "development". At least above more "development".
5) Anti-Techno-crat: We don't need to actually attain nuclear annihilation in order to understand that technology is not some abstract godly progressive force. Technology is a tool, with a tool you can hunt for food, you can make art and you can destroy too. With a huge tool you can destroy everything. Add to that, advanced technology leads to over-specialization of jobs and alienation of people.
6) Organised Religion: The masses need to be herded. The elite can believe in whatever they want to.
7) Aristocracy: Only the best can rule.

Interzone / Re: "Only Death is Real"...Really?
« on: November 07, 2010, 11:38:11 PM »
Hmmm... I do prefer Sepultura's "A sad image of everything, everything so real Who.. who, who who..."

Interzone / Re: Humanity: in decline since '75?
« on: November 07, 2010, 05:57:58 PM »
Regardless of your personal views, space exploration IS an achievement. Forgive me if I sound like one of those science apologists, but there are few things more exhilarating than the cosmos. Granted, if we were to colonize space hopefully we would send smart people so they wouldn't fuck it up as bad as the Earth has been. To say that reaching the stars and learning vast amounts of knowledge from what we witness and discover is not something to be proud of is an ignorant statement.

An achievement would be something done in the real world, for example, Hitler was trying to accomplish an achievement. Organizing a team of few brain nerds who will launch a rocket in the sky is not an achievement in my mind. I may sound almost leftist here but however, when the whole world is in misery, you travel to the stars? Oh what an amazing thing! Fix the problems here first, sir.

You mention colonization of space like some friends of mine. Think, we wouldn't even think of colonizing other planets if we just lived normally and traditionally like in the middle ages. But here we are, thinking of solutions and exits. Ok we fucked the Earth let's go to mars to fuck it too. The problem is inside our heads, not in extraterrestial bodies.

Interzone / Re: Humanity: in decline since '75?
« on: November 07, 2010, 09:24:12 AM »
If the industrial and information ages have lead to a decline in human spirit, is simply looking back to ancient times a suitable answer?
No.  Then we merely project our desires onto the past.

Because they are both technological accomplishments. Look at it this way: the Wonders of the World were something more because they represented people's culture. What does space exploration represent? To me it represents the culture of carny rides, more intelligent of course but it comes down to the same thing. Btw porn also allows me to more directly experience that which once could only be imagined (sorry bout that one, I couldn't resist)
I disagree with this almost entirely.  I understand that there are comparisons to be made between carnival rides and space shuttles, but these are superficial comparisons-- ideologically these 'technological achievements' represent two entirely different matters.

Which is superior:
1. A culture that looks at the night sky and connects the dots to find anthropomorphic figures around which to develop a mythology.  Perhaps the bright dots are also seen as the souls of vanquished warriors.
2. A culture where technology has developed to the point where these 'celestial bodies' can be analyzed and quantified.  This culture supports men who risk (and lose) their lives in order to see what is really out there.

Answer: neither.  Both are working within their means, both have their mythologies, both have their convictions.  Thousands of years from now, those looking back at our era could, for all we know, discover the ancient ruins of our spacecraft and be amazed at these achievements.  Again, the only reason you are able to so readily write them off is that we do not have enough distance from them, and thus see their various relationships to other aspects of the modern world.

Answer, the first. And I will tell you why. I believe in paganism in the Greek "dodekatheo" so I believe that the gods, ie nature or cosmos etc, is an idealistic enviroment of energies running without thinking us. Why I say that? I believe that humanity by now has over-exceeded the point of learning by technology and has gone to playin destruction with technology. Of course the technocrat robots cannot see this. Remember, gods do not care about us.. So we continue in a technocratic race who will be the best? And fuck up everything meanwhile. Technology is a by-product of our "progress" which in other words is industrial development. I disagree with anus when they say Space Exploration as an achievment. What would we do if we learned that the back side of the moon has aliens, even when we destroy our own planet with idiots overpopulating every space. Humanity by now is an overrated atempt to over-crowd nature, and it is bound to fail, I want to see their faces, those special analysts etc etc, when countries wll be attacking themselves for water!

Interzone / Re: Two reviews of that (horrible) new movie Social Network
« on: November 05, 2010, 08:19:28 AM »
OK I respect that but I also think it is fake.
If you think it is fake why do you respect it? You should say what you really mean instead of hiding behind polite wording. You may offend some wimpy bitches but it's the only way to be respected.

Probably you are right, "respect" was unfortunate. Rephrase: I don't want to communicate my opinion to her because I don't want to start a dead end conversation with predetermined failure because she wouldn't (or couldn't) understand. Add to that, I don't want to stop being friends. If I had a big social circle, I could afford to NOT tolerate. Got me? It may sound Christian/Democratic tolerant/polite shit, but if I expressed my beliefs to all the people I see (not in varying degrees but full force) I would be alone or with one/two friends.

Interzone / Re: Two reviews of that (horrible) new movie Social Network
« on: November 01, 2010, 07:01:42 PM »
Being in your room and chatting with others in a "social network" is a sin against the pagan gods and it has a cause. Earlier, in the 80s for example, there were clubs and bars (at least here in greece) where certain people met. So you knew what guys an chicks you would meet and you went to their lair if you wanted to do something, now it is completely random, one friend of mine said she found someone via facebook and she is in love. OK I respect that but I also think it is fake. If I rely on a PC to find a girl I am done for. The PCs have changed role from means to end. As with all technology in our final rome-sque failure.

Interzone / Hedonist Liberalism and Naturalism/Paganism
« on: September 02, 2010, 06:59:21 AM »
Some days ago, an atheist friend told me about a modern philosopher that he really admires named Zlavoj Zizek. He told me to read about him, his interviews etc etc and that he has many interesting ideas and a new analysis on marxism etc etc. I was suspicious to this Zizek as I knew that one of his interviews was published in a mainstream centre-left liberal newspaper here in Greece.

I wasn't surprised at all when I saw what this man was all about, but there were some remarkable things he said. More or less this man is openly against Paganism because he identifies it with a religious view of nature and for the same reasons he is suspicious of the ecologists. I read an interview in Greek and this man said that we should detach ourselves from nature more.

Wikipedia says:
Žižek is an atheist. He believes the universalist aspect of Christianity should be secularized into militant egalitarianism, against "pagan notion of destiny".[18]

In 2006, Žižek wrote an opinion piece published in the New York Times calling atheism a great legacy of Europe, and voiced his support for the propagation of atheism in the continent.


Seems to me that it is for one more goddamn time a recycled opinion from the enlightment. The secularization of christian morality. At least what I admired about Zizek is that he has clear thought, he can identify the connection between liberalism and anti-nature, he is almost openly anti-nature. I mean I admire that like I admire some friends of mine who are Communists and Christians at the same time, these people are closer to the clarity of Ted Kaczynski (than to atheist soft-hearted liberals barking about gay dwarves' rights) because they understand that Christianity and Communism are basically the same moral code. That's smart, but however it remains destructive both Zizek and the Communists.

All this sparked my thoughts about the connections between liberalism and anti-nature and hedonism. I always thought that the way from braindead liberalism to paganism could be divided in 4 states of mind. One might go through all these steps philosophizing and trying to delete useless modern rubbish from his mind, but if he/she were the son/daughter of a pagan family of philosophers probably wouldn't need to undertake this painful and meaningless journey into and out of the void.

These are the four stages, I give a small parable in the fist three, concerning a tribe of hungry humans (the parallel of the food desired is happiness).


1. The Unphilosophised Person

The idiot, usually of complete mainstream democratic leanings politically, copy-paste of what his country is (center-right, center, center-left) or whatever claims to be anyway. Here in Greece most of these people simply are what their parents are even from a young age. Their teenage revolution is soft, or non existent. They have absolutely no answer for their misery or society's. They speak only through popular phrases interconnected with random words.

Parable: The human that stands with his mouth open, waiting for food, or searching the nearby bushes, getting frustrated, wondering why there is no food, maybe bashing the other human nearby because of the stress and frustration of hunger.

2. The Reactionary Person (Liberal)

The slightly-smarter-than-idiot who finds that mainstream politics and mainstream thought cannot uphold the whole morally "good" values that we all (?) have. (Therefore this person doesn't question the core values of modernity at all, but questions the method and the corruption of those who execute the method, often correctly). This person believes that if we liberate ourselves from every opression we will be happy and live blissful lives, his higher point of philosophy is bashing the conservative as narrow-minded (although most of modern conservatives are truly close minded and total morons, the liberal bashes them because they ARE conservatives not because he examined each one of them and found them to be morons). In his imaturity, the liberal finds no reason for the negativism towards homosexuals, lesbians, blacks, transexuals whatever. He is probably correct in that because he is astonished by the bigotry towards these people and to him it seems that it has no reason and that it is animal-like and chaotic and mostly it is, how many of those bigots have a healthy plan for the society (for example place homosexuals, perverts or whatever in a certain part of the town and let other people grow their kids as they wish).

Parable: The human that recognises that the method of the tribe to attain food is completely wrong or even non-existant and that most humans in the tribe are narrow-minded and idiots. But he does not offer a real-world but rather a utopian method, possibly even more dangerous than the mainstream method.

3. The Machine-like Brain (Radical Materialist-Hedonist)

The relatively smart, but overly-specialized person who is of liberal leanings but has a big difference: He recognizes the mechanism of life and begins to understand natural selection. However, he understands how and when, but doesn't understand why. So he totally rejects natural selection as painful. This person is post-politics and probably quasi-authoritarian. In that he realises that all the tsunami of opinions and offered solutions of the crowd have absolutely no point and only offers peripheralism and dangerous conflicting pathways. He believes that the only solution is to somehow produce in everyone's bodies the chemicals that bring pleasure and to eradicate pain. Whether through psychedelics, virtual reality or genetical engineering it doesn't matter, what he recognises is that all abstract ideas, cultural-racial or imperialist wars, revolutions, Marxism, Capitalism etc are failed attempts at happiness that were bound to fail because they didn't recognise the ultimate material cause of happiness which is endorphin and numerous other chemicals. This man accuses almost every other man of not being a materialst, even the marxists. Of course this man is prone to emptiness, psychological problems and depression.

Parable: The semi-crazy human that just sits down, rejects all food-searching methods as peripheralism and says that instead of looking for food we should reprogram our bellies so they don't need food or don't express that need with stress/pain anyway.

4. The Mystical

This is a difficult category to explain. The man who tosses away the overly-rationalizing methods of thought altogether. Therefore he believes that sitting and painfully searching the absolute mechanism of happiness somehow takes you away from achieving it in real life as you lose your passion (becoming a materialistice device that makes mathematical equations), become increasingly neurotic and lose confidence in yourself. So he shuts down the mathematical part of his brain so the mystical-idealistic part can be reborn from it's ashes. This man rediscovers culture, art, idealism, the child inside etc. This is the first step out of the materialistic abyss of modernity. However this man hasn't yet explained the why of natural selection in his mind and heart so he still has a tendency to avoid reality and conflict. This man is probably the most distant to politics. He is prone to mystic and otherworldy religions (as they appear to him) like Buddhism or Neo-Paganism.

Parable: The human that has understood that too much thought about how to attain food has made him dormant and nearly-dead. He now invents tales and imaginations to reawaken his passion to go hunting out in the wild.

5. The Naturalist

The man who has recently rediscovered Idealism and now reaches the point where he can combine it with realism. He reaches an emotional equilibrium over natural selection and existential issues and finally has the "why" of natural selection. The whole thing that our positive experiences of reality-nature-natural selection along with the negative lay the groundwork for the future of evolution and organization of reality. It is an ideal in itself and once this man makes this ideal his own, he is completely detached from the materialistic depression of modern industrial society. I don't believe a parable is needed here as anus.com has countless articles etc about this state of mind.


When I meet liberals and materialists who think they found the truth, I laugh. They can't even understand that happiness is not caused by "socialist social structures of tolerance and respect to human rights blah blah" for example think of a person with hereditary proneness to depresion in an ideal communist society. Fuck the equality there, sir, the person needs medicine, and who is going to control those genes? will there be any eugenics? Who will execute programs for eugenics? Here the more technocratic leberals will say that genetic engineering will skyrocket eventually and in that 'society' they will remove the bad genes. Oddly here you can play it more radical in their faces and say "How dare you prolong the suffering of more and more people until that day that we will be able to remove those genes, use eugenics now, don't you respect those people and their children? Sadist!!"

Ironically, this technocratic thought about editing genes (through the abyss of the inherent hedonism of democracy in that ideal liberal society), will eventually go from "editing genes to eradicate diseases and negative things" to editing genes to minimize pain, to achive more blissful states as that of hypo-mania or beyond that. All these with, of course, radical damage to the motivational system of the brain of humans and possibly animals. So to an ever-blissful man, it might seem funny and interesting to create a man who is genetically programmed to feel pain, and examine him or laugh at him in some future technocratic blissful roman-like orgy. Why not burn down a forest for fun, or throw a nuke? Let's party.

The connections between the 'proud' liberal proletarian insurgent and the radical hedonist like a fucking junkie piece of meat are very evident. The only thing that differenciates them is clarity of thought and peripheralism, the liberals as bees go round a round and round but they will eventualy want to get to the honey while the hedonists says FUCK IT, I KNOW THE 'HIGH' IT'S THIS.

However an everyday philosophy is needed through which is realistically more possible to attain an honorable life and be active, inventing solutions, living every day with intensity, carpe diem. This philosophy contains absolute ideals as if we materialistically/fatalistically tried to understand "why to sieze the day? is it worth it?" we will drown in passitivity and emptiness again.

These were my thought and I would like if anyone shares them with me and had the same opinions independently, only sad thing is that when I argue with liberals I hardly can make them understand WHY they are half-hedonists, most times they don't understand what I say or, of course, are not willing to but the amusing thing is that you see them attacking you by any means necessary, personal attacks too... Like a dog that bites when you try to take away his food.

Interzone / Re: Teen Depression Linked to Internet Overuse
« on: August 09, 2010, 07:43:50 PM »
It doesn't matter if depression leads to internet addiction, or internet addiction leads to depression, or both. It is highly probable that internet abuse widens depression, because, hmm if a depressed kid looks (for example) for porn all day he will be more and more alienated (he is looking for the pain pills and not the solution to the problem), he is losing time and he is damaging his purity. Even if there is no depression, internet abuse is an attempt to escape from reality (internet games).

Interzone / Re: How crippling is alcohol?
« on: July 24, 2010, 10:50:05 AM »
When I was at age 16 I started drinking (with friends) because I accidentaly discovered that it was a pleasant experience and a way to communicate with others in a non-routine sense. For three years (16, 17, 18) I drank at parties, at the end of school on special occations, in (greek) taverns, always with friends who drank too. I drank like 1 liter of wine at max (I am a tall guy regular weight). All was good way back then, at the surface, but underneath I was building a failure, and alcohol played a significant role in it.

About when I was 18, some mild failings at school happened, and this was exactly at the time of going into the adult world. A combination of things killed my spirit and I wasn't willing (or able) to understand that I was becoming a bitter burnout and better myself. Drinking at parties etc etc quickly gave it's place to drinking alone, or getting really drunk while others were just drinking one or two glasses. I felt and expressed the "need" to drink all day, but as I wasn't a moron I understood that It wasn't possible so I got into binge drinking. I would be sober for let's say 5 days, and drink heavily at friday night, and saturday night. However, these "sober" days narrowed more and more and the binge days widened. During the most extreme drinking "era" I would binge drink for 4 days or even 5 and be sober for 3, 4, at max. The darkness was about to cover the light, it was 50/50% metaphorically and literally. I was starting to experience some withdrawl symptoms, NOT hangover, but withdrawal after days of binge drinking. Annoying things like irritation, that damned and disturbing insomnia, an ugly feeling (that I have never read in any article or site about alcohol withdrawal) like muscle soreness combined with some strange mild burning sensation in the body, ugly smell and taste. Looking back at that period I just don't know what to think.

It all started changing when a series of events happened, I started valuing "being the voice of reality" and not being a hippie, I started changing from an extreme communist to a more traditional type, generally I underwent a change of values. In addition to that I had a small accident caused by alcohol that left me a tiny scar, it wasn't so painful or scary but it was COMPLETELY MEANINGLESS AND RIDICULOUS, I just fell running like an idiot, drunk. I thought: "What the fuck am I doing, what is the purpose of all this?" And the purpose was nothing, I was just a death worshipper who was acutally afraid to look his life in the eyes and say "I am not afraid, I am marching forward, I am going to get what I desire long term and create" like I did after all this. However, the void must be filled with something, and I wasn't able to quit and go sober immediately. Nevertheless, I stopped the binge drinking, I reduced the times I would drink at all, and discovered activities that fill the void (for example writting metal music or physical excercise).

What lesson I got from all this? There are MANY MANY fake people out there, that don't admit that they drink for a reason, most drink to suppress their fears and their inability to talk to girls or general incomfortability. When you admit it "I drink because I am a fucking coward" then you will gradually (not instantly) start to change this and challenge yourself in healthy activities. In a more ridiculous and lowest-common-denominator fashion, some drank (and smoked) just because it was "in" or wild whatever (those actually quit, not even actively, because they weren't ever in the game). Finally, there are many self-assured "wise men, intellectuals whatever" who never drank or smoked etc, some will say that were always wiser than you that indulged in these activities (that might be true at 1% but in nearly all cases it is fake), the reason they play this role is because they need to feel mature-since-birth and wiser than you to congratulate themselves that they have won over you in the power game. What a coincidence that almost all these people never had a normal sexual relationship (I am not kidding, this is not far-fetched).

Years later, I look at the bottles of alcohol with a cynical eye. I think it is all a fake shit, and actually orange juice has a nicer taste than most drinks, so just to drink for the booze is to escape reality. I just move on.

Metal / Re: Cavalera In Wonderland...
« on: July 16, 2010, 11:45:22 AM »
It's very mediocre, the good thing I witnessed in this song and in Carved Inside is that this liberal sick person named Max has re-invented the raw-ness of thras and tries to be raw, this is good, but the stuff is mediocre (the exceptions and the rest is bad) and................. think that four persons including this asshole, released Beneath the Remains and Schizophrenia.... You are old, your spirit has fallen, goodbye

Interzone / thanx
« on: March 31, 2010, 04:44:26 AM »
The most destructive thing in "universal education" would be that the persons who will design it won't be a new Nietzches or Hitlers but 75% will be idiots, liberals, progressives etc, hence fearful people who masturbate in front of their PCs (or metaphorically do something of that nature eg. christianism).

The real problem is bad breeding and that is what I'm trying to show to my liberal friends, I can only hope those with the higher IQ and braveness can understand it! Thanks for the replies!

Interzone / Nature vs Nurture
« on: March 27, 2010, 06:09:36 AM »
Hello everyone, this is my chance to introduce myself, I am a southern european, relatively new to nihilism and a very curious person. These last days I had an argument with a friend of mine who is a liberal. We both agreed that in the nature vs nurture argument (as a cause for potential behaviors... and more) if the balance goes towards 'nature' then ideas like eugenics arise... and if the balance goes towards 'nurture' ideas like universal 'better' educational values arise. Therefore I made a research today surfing the net and collected infromation that are pro 'nature' as a cause for human behaviors (in higher percentage than nurture and enviroment etc). When I finished the research and meditated a bit I came up with the conclusion that wherever the balance goes nature or nurture since both are present as causes for human behavior (regardless of the percentage) then both eugenics and good educational values are needed. However I believe that my friend was a bit """""""unexplainably""""""" aggressive against eugenics as if nature DOESN'T play it's role in the behavioral patterns.

Anyway, the reason I started this topic is to ask for some help from you american nihilists if you have any information about the role of genetic in behaviors with cited sources and irrefutable evidence etc so that I won't get the usual liberal ("you act emotionally, crazy etc") bashing. I am, of course, going to continue doing my personal research on the matter, but if you could help I'd be glad. Thanks in advance, glad to join the Anus Metal Forum.

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