Quote from: Cargést on April 21, 2010, 09:20:27 PM

Is it not interesting that such a warlike, anti-modern, and noble being as the Hessian should choose for himself the garb of a noble, anti-modern Warrior, refining and improving his armour as time goes on?

I really don't like to be a douche, but christ dude, this shit is just begging for mockery. Must...resist...trolling..

I don't think there is anything particularly transcendental in Hessian attire -- your clothes aren't anti-modern and they aren't fucking noble. That sweet Burzum shirt your parents gave you for your birthday? It was made by a fucking peasant woman in China in one of those modern shirt factories and, thanks to the power of globalism, flown halfway across the world to your doorstep. Those leather boots? Stripped off mass-bred cattle in a mechanized slaughterhouse.

Of course attire has always been important to metal listeners, but it's one of those little contradictions we like to ignore -- as much as we like to be anti-populist and anti-consumerist, and as much as the art form we love espouses these virtues, the "Hessian lifestyle" is one that involves supporting bands by buying their mass-produced albums, buying and showing the world your metal pride with their mass-produced t-shirts, and procuring the rest of the stylistic accouterments necessary to complete your metal persona. This kind of consumerism is distinctly modern, and of course its problematic on an ideological level, but you're not going to escape it unless you have a cotton plantation on your own estate and you get your slaves to fucking make you shirts. Maybe you are doing that, and if that's the case, good for you, that's a lifestyle becoming of the gentry. For the rest of the folks wearing metal-tees, wearing mass-produced t-shirts is not anti-modern, warlike or noble. It's wearing a goddamn article of clothing -- accept that for what it is instead of pretending you're goddamn Sir Lancelot.

Excuse me, I mean no offense, but what exactly am I supposed to feel bad about?

  It cannot be stressed enough how much impact one's appearance has on his personality; these things are inseparable.  We exist in a social context, regardless of our transcendental aspirations.

I would like to admit that were I not so interested in fine art, fashion design would have been an alternative.  Fine aesthetic sensibilities have a profound impact on those with whom you interact, and upon oneself by reciprocation.  Don't limit yourselves by thinking otherwise.

edit: for the record, I do not find that dressing like a metalhead appropriately meets such needs.

You, Cargest and Conservationist beat me to everything dammit!

The fact that we have such rudimentary technology as a mirror that allows us to view ourselves is elemental but profound nonetheless. Beholding oneself, and especially deriving pride from doing such is a feeling like none other. You don't have to strut around like Gaston from Disney's Beauty and The Beast, for centering the whole of your being/personality upon your image is prevalent amongst the lowest of human lifeforms.

When you become conscious of your body's appearance (sometime around puberty), the desire to better itself (body modification) is only a natural reaction of someone that is success-driven. Body modification doesn't necessarily mean piercing, tatooing etc.. it can be shaving, cutting your hair, letting it grow, gaining muscle mass... all body modification. All things you do to alter all aspects your appearance (like clothing) may not equate with this concept, but it's definitely related...

This might come off as sounding gay, but it's self-worship and self-love in my opinion is VERY practical and separate from egotism: "I am my own God, Master slave and I will be beyond the grave." Egotism usually leads to this neurotic complex in which the individual strives (and continually fails as a result of) to maintain their psychologically-enthroned behaviorism in the physical world. These people come off as douchebags without fail. When people loves themselves (here's the distinction), they often times care very little about interfering directly in the lives of others, since all immediate importance is directed towards self-progress, opposed to egotism which cultures stagnation and eventually degeneration.

I have no problem with traditional Hessian attire. I think such is masculine as can be, compliments my personality and makes me appealing towards the opposite sex. I think QBLH said it best on the Nihilist forums when he asserted that moreoften than not we as Hessians are privy to the hottest women the planet has to offer.

This absolutely merits a new thread methinks, considering this has nothing to do with Incantation

Catering to pathetic death metal fans en masse, and playing polished shit with an equally pathetic mainstream label. I figure, (considering the quality of the music and the scene they entertain), they're probably doing it for the money. Or out of sheer boredom. I know their music definitely portrays that feeling well.

A day ago I was privately musing on the "Heaviness" of Metal, or the lack there of traditionally seen in the vein of modern metal's anti-traditionalism so to speak. I think a few things need to be surfaced in order to truly strike up a discussion on what makes metal heavy.

In cargo #1 we have the populace who believes that heaviness stems from the following aspects:

- High Production value
- Polished sound
- Guitar chug/mute synchronized with double bass
- Fastness or slowness in pace
- Technicality

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1TbwtrNCjc&feature=related

THIS couldn't be further from the truth. If the above was a true definition of the "Heaviness" of Metal were true, then the the advent of the term "Heavy Metal" shouldn't make any sense. It should have remained as "Blues/Rock" or have some other name behind it, since the whole of the above criterion was alien to the idea of Heavy Metal as well as THAT chronological time period of the music/production industry.

Then there's cargo # 2, in which is Heaviness yields a different definition:

- Blues oriented music played in Neo-Classical fashion, in which the guitar, drums, bass and vocals act as one unit (a band) to create the narrative and the meaningful :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGWYJmnU77U&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YMXPBMr7No
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRKB7AAXKDE

When the "Band" acts counterintuitive to this and a single instrument or member is championed over all others, you have pop/rock music, which is not Metal:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9AcG0glVu4

Where as the rest of the band degenerates into radio-friendly, happy background noise to support the star of the band:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmQgP5ouZNo&feature=fvw

Blues and it's child Heavy Metal, played Neo-Classically on the other hand are far more challenging, the music is able to illustrate a HEAVY mood upon the listener, shedding the veil between this physical, material world and the great beyond. Does the world seem very real to you after hearing some previously unheard Heavy Metal? Think about the first time these albums were devoured:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WLPvzGgWs0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HP2f5NIy9A8&feature=related

And when Metal isn't Heavy, it's not Metal anymore. Please, share thoughts on this matter.

If a parent is a complete asshole to you, than indeed you can discard the idea of parenthood.

I can't disagree enough. When I was born I was essentially issued a Bon Jovi cassette of "Slippery When Wet" and I didn't like it. Does that mean I should have discarded the idea of any musical interest based solely upon my juvenile frame of reference?

Though I think this argument goes way deeper than it's topical and exemplary nature. People have a tendency as far as I can tell to misrepresent all things of potential.

IE: notice how Hessiandom is always more metal, punk, mature, artistic, rational, literate.... than all that profess to be that way?

I'm not trying to toot my own horn because I look forward to parenthood one day and I know I'll make my slew of mistakes just like my parents did. Though,  I'll carry over the wisdom I've gained from being their child in hopes to alter my future vocation's potential.

That Attack Attack video was priceless. I've never heard of them before but I have no words to describe how much I laughed. There is NO integrity there at all...none. Every one of the members of those two bands clearly has AIDS.

I figured someone would post something regarding the passing of Mr. Steele.

Growing up I never listened to Carnivore, but I knew that Peter Steele was in that band after watching a Billzebub documentary on Death Metal and it's early influences (whether Carnivore actually had an influence on Death Metal or that was just a subjective opinion by Mr. Billzebub is not for me to say as I don't know the full history and importance of the band).

With that being said, sometime last year the jukebox at the Bar in which I am a regular got Carnivore's "Retaliation" their availability list to order. It took maybe three Saturdays before I began spinning Carnivore regularly at said jukebox. One day I decided to order both "Carnivore S/T" and "Retaliation" in the recently re-released digipack versions. Instantly I thought the albums were excellent but it took a few hundred compelled listens to truly appreciate what I had purchased.

Carnivore S/T and Retaliation both consumed my musical appetite in two different ways, the first being Speed Metal akin to Venom and the latter being one of the best exercises in Punk/Hardcore Crossover with a unique Black Sabbath influence. All of the songs seemed constructed in an epic style, giving them an edge over the likes of the other Speed Metal albums that I own which seemed straight forward in comparison. Not to say that Speed Metal lacks this element, as "Kill Em' All" by Metallica is very epic, but not to this degree.

Retaliation being my preferred of the two is what really blew me away though. Aggression like none other can be heard in every song, fast d-beats, three-chord guitar slashes with searing screams like he's being gutted during the entire take track by track. The production rivals even contemporary releases. Then each track contains sections in which the slowest of Black Sabbath's career is accented in movement and what feels like motifs at certain points.

Retaliation ultimately presented to me what I never thought Punk/Hardcore Crossover could be: Neo-Classical in the ANUS lens and definition. Lyrically, the theme of "Darkness" is presented uniquely in the mediums of topics such as gang warfare, urban violence, depression/suicidal emotions and nationalism in a country/genre that scorns the very idea of such.

I never got too much into Type-O-Negative, but from the two albums I own it doesn't seem like total shit. The first album, "Slow, Deep and Hard" apparently is unused Carnivore material with an stronger focus on urban doom and sludge. The other one I own is "October Rust" which seems like the Beatles gone Doompop with Ildjarn playing keyboards.

I am not saddened by Peter Steele's passing because if he truly was a Heathen (which he so strongly professed during his career in TON), then according to his metaphysical paradigm, he was Valhalla-bound.

Also, the point you're making: total nihilism. Nothing matters, but we have a chance to make beautiful things in this little slice of life.

With that being said, I think there's something to be considered.

Maintaining your self (internally and externally) in the face of others. Being "iron-bound" so to speak is very admirable, but I've seen people fall into the trap of being too static after a while and closed off to too many possibilities. For a practical example consider a person who's become accustomed to following DLA suggestions, always finding the reviews, house suggestions and interviews helpful and fulfilling as far as their metal diet is concerned. That person also is considerably disapointed in every instance that someone unaffiliated with DLA, ANUS, Hessian.org and so on makes a musical suggestion. I agree that discrimination is good, but it can become habitual in the unwanted way. Cro-Mags and Amebix are newer additions to the reviews of legendary status. Imagine a skinhead or a crust punk speaking the dead honest truth about the magnitude of AoQ or Arise. I've known a writer for heidenlarm (spell?) that suffered from unfortunate nature of being too closed off in this way (not publically, but definately in private/personal conversation). It doesn't just have to be about metal, this can translate into anything. So in the spirit of what Conservationist defined as total nihilism, there is a level of human dynamism that must be accessed and explored in order to not become a fleshy relic... and into my my suggestions of how to be more warlike in light of this: venture into the unknown constantly like the Hessians of olde at the record store without the advantage of myspace, mp3 samples and youtube. I am pretty iron bound as it, but I also do my own private exploration constantly, discarding the bad and promoting the good in all areas of the arts, dining and thought.

I actually don't understand why this couldn't be the next Celtic Frost record. I mean it sounds like a successor to Monotheist from what I've heard so far. Maybe less slow parts (then again I haven't heard the CD yet, I'm only going by samples). In either case I'm picking this up out of sheer curiosity, I think it sounds like Monotheist with a far better drummer and vocals that are a little bit more like To Mega Therion with some Peter Steele (in Carnivore) influence.