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Audiofile / Centinex
« on: June 26, 2007, 10:36:13 PM »
Centinex MP3s

Centinex - Malleus Maleficarum (1995) [ CD $9 ]

Centinex - Malleus Maleficarum (1995, SendItz)
Centinex - Malleus Maleficarum (1995, Mega)

Metal / Re: Definitive list of DLA errors
« on: June 26, 2007, 10:31:18 PM »
Something trivial about the forums that I feel like pointing out ----> the emoticon with the sunglasses gets shown when one types an "8" followed by a ")" This more often leads to people typing "(this album is from 1988)" then to people actually wanting to depict an emoticon wearing sunglasses. It can be fixed by simply using the "Check this if you'll be adding code (or don't like smileys)" function when one makes a post. But maybe the shortcut for the emoticon can simply be changed? It would save a lot of "errors" in the audiophile forum...  8)

Metal / Re: Flowering of Swedish death metal
« on: June 26, 2007, 09:50:01 PM »
Also Black Metal, if you get over the lo-fi production, is more accesible than many Death Metal bands style of music (NYDM, Finnish style).

The rest of your post was insightful, but the first Darkthrone (BM) and Burzum releases were definitely an acquired taste for death metal fans back then. Only when "in the nightshade eclipse" was released was black metal taken seriously as a whole, before that it was scoffed by most death metal listeners (at least the ones that I knew) as being "noise about satan" and "music made by people who can't play music"

Metal / Re: Pantera's hair metal past
« on: June 26, 2007, 09:27:26 PM »
Pantera is for people who want to blow off steam for five minutes and then go back to their dreary lives. Their hair metal past is largely irrelevant since, as stated, most of their fans are unaware or don't care about it. Pointing out blues influences doesn't mean that much to me since Danzig has those too and he usually seems to get hailed here, and the same thing goes for homosexuality: why care about the alleged homosexuality of bands when artists who really are gay get praised? Wagner was gay but his music helped shape the not-so-gay third reich.

I like and respect Slayers music for instance but Slayer were always entertainers. This doesn't affect their music, but if these kinds of background stories are sufficient to bash bands then Slayer definitely deserves a foot up the ass (have a scroll through this page if you want examples, be sure to read the one at the bottom)

Anyway my point is: the music and the listeners speak for themselves. While Slayer is listened to by a large variety of people (metalheads, nu-metal/mallcore people, intellectuals, nazis, gangster-rappers, george bush jr, etc.) most of the people who listen to Pantera are simply morons in need of something to voice their anger in between school and television. For me personally Pantera has zero appeal even if only because of the people who wore Pantera t-shirts and the way Pantera was praised by the listeners I spoke to ("fukking hostile d00d!!1")

Oh, and LOL @ using Sartre to defend Pantera. Nietzsche said "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger" but he wasn't talking about hitting yourself repeatedly in the head with a hammer...

Metal / Re: Metal improving in 2007
« on: June 07, 2007, 10:06:29 AM »
Maybe not in the music, but in the interpretation there could be. I do not look for fascist messages in their music, but if some do its out of the bands hands.

There are nazi-skinheads who listen to Joy Division and the Toy Dolls...

Metal / Re: Definitive list of DLA errors
« on: June 07, 2007, 08:58:44 AM »
The neoclassical reviews contains a broken link: the letter 'W'

is right now:


should be:


Metal / Re: Summoning make stand against fascism
« on: May 22, 2007, 07:33:40 AM »
Interesting. But then why did your ancestors invade my country and try to will their lifestyle upon it? (I'm originally from Indonesia - home of the Dutch East India company). The rest of your point is taken. But it doesn't answer the question of white arrival to the USA. If those who came 200 years ago did so in search of a new/better life, and pursued that at the expense of a vast number of indegenous peoples, how does it make it any less valid for someone to do this today?

Don't blame the people for the decisions that governments made. For one I blame my government more for bringing foreigners here instead of the foreigners who come here willing to work for a better future.

You have to consider the circumstances of the period of colonization. The Netherlands had to compete with the other european countries that were colonizing the world. If we hadn't taken Indonesia and set up the VOC we would have eventually become economically weak and taken over by the English too, just like Indonesia would have been taken over by the English or others if the Dutch hadn't taken it. I can apologize for what happened but it wasn't my decision was it? I can only influence the present, and only to a small extent (for instance by discussing on internet-forums) You can't hold the Dutch people responsible for what happened then, and focusing too much on the past eventually becomes a diversion to avoid addressing current issues. Regardless of what point you're trying to make I think comparing 15th century colonists with 21th century immigrants is like comparing apples and oranges.

Metal / Re: Summoning make stand against fascism
« on: May 22, 2007, 05:52:23 AM »
Yes, perhaps the American Indians should have done that when the first whites came over to their land. It raises an interesting question for a foreigner like me, how does one become "American" when the country is formed of descendants of immigrants from all over the world? Or is it just a first generation thing, where any generation after that is an "American" as long as they were born there? That raises the paradox that nobody can really belong to any country, because somewhere down the line, their ancestors were not born there  ;D

This is exactly the reason why nationalists are vehemently opposed to letting foreigners settle in their country. Because (real) nationalists want people to keep their own cultural identity, but they also realize that putting two different cultures together will inevitable cause friction (which is why some nationalists, like malcolm x for instance, are for segregation)

That raises the paradox that nobody can really belong to any country, because somewhere down the line, their ancestors were not born there

My ancestors bled for this country for 2000 years. Do you want to tell me that they are less or even equal to a bunch of people who just came here in the last 40 years to make money and other than that tend to be completely disrespectful? Do you have any idea what has happened in the Netherlands for the past ten years?

Every year during "dodenherdenking" (fourth of may) when we remember those who fell defending the Netherlands against the nazis there are reports of these ceremonies being disturbed by north-african youths (usually moroccans) There have been various reports of them violating the memorials and destroying the flowers. That's how much they appreciate that this country isn't a nazi-state.

But hey... I'm sure 10,000 years ago my ancestors were still living in germany or belgium so that gives the moroccans just as much right to be here as I do according to your reasoning.

I think you should reconsider.

Metal / Re: Electronic music
« on: May 20, 2007, 04:38:37 AM »
When it comes to mixing techno and metal I think it's best to take hardcore techno as a basis and improve it by adding elements of extreme metal, as oppossed to taking metal as a basis and decorate it with techno-loops and try to squeeze in house-beats. Anno 2007 many things have already been done one way or another so I'm more interested to hear neo-classical themes and melodies added in the mix. I don't mean classical music used as samples but classical music translated into techno-sounds like in the video I posted above.

Metal / Re: Electronic music
« on: May 18, 2007, 02:41:17 AM »

Metal / Re: Quebecois black metal
« on: May 13, 2007, 03:09:47 AM »
Isn't Akitsa a joke-band? Their music sounds like an Absurd rip-off mixed with Ildjarn. I've listened to the 'Aube de la Misanthropie' compilation but it didn't do much for me.

Esker is great. Frozen Shadows are good.

Quebec has some good death metal too, like Gorguts for instance. But I wouldn't go as far as to compare the Quebec scene with the Norwegian one. Why would you want to anyway? I mean; it's ok if you are proud of your scene but don't start another trend where every band from country X is considered to be great and automatically gets attention.

Metal / Re: Virtues of plagiarism in metal
« on: May 04, 2007, 03:59:20 AM »
I'm quite intrigued by the public ownership of intellectual property in modern society. This has nothing to do with communist theory's "ownership of the means of production in common," but ownership based on merit.  
For example, if Metallica produced shit under their band name, they don't deserve to be called "Metallica" anymore, some other band who can deliver the metal goodies can use that name instead.
The same goes for other intellectual properties, if Ian Flemming can't write good James Bond novels anymore, let other worthy writers be given the chance to write about the British spy. Public ownership renders the validity of licensing and copyrights null and void because commercial possession of intellectual properties is based on money and profits, not if any product has quality whatsoever.

I agree with this. I think metal should be more like folk-music where the original artists are usually unknown and music is passed on from generation to generation. But then when I look at the shitty tribute albums that exist I wonder if such a statement holds much validity.

What do you think the external conditions should be for "plagiarizing" music?

Metal / Re: Summoning make stand against fascism
« on: May 04, 2007, 01:40:13 AM »
Now to completely wipe the board on the whole "foreign influences in music" argument based on the descent of certain instruments:

The potato is originally from Peru. Yet the potato is served in a variety of cultural dishes. 'Sauerkraut und kartoffeln" is not considered as something typically Peruvian. So why would metal be "n-i-g-g-e-r" music even if it features Spanish guitars and Arab percussion? The sand from the Sahara desert makes its way on the wind into my country, should I try to separate the African sand from my native Dutch sand because otherwise our beaches wouldn't be Dutch anymore? The answer seems obvious to me. And it also seems obvious to me that the argument that "if an instrument isn't really white you are not really playing white music" is ludicrous. May all people who once took this point of view discard it for what it is: an argument that appeals to extremism but not to rationalism.

Metal / Re: Summoning make stand against fascism
« on: May 04, 2007, 01:02:32 AM »
but i am a person who was borin in the land wher hitler was born and i think i can realise better what real neo nazi want

Lol, that's actually a racist thing to say. Which is btw what I think about racism: everybody is racist to a certain degree. You talk about racism as if it's something exclusively for white people. As if racism is somewhere between adolf hitler and a bunch of drunk rednecks with bad haircuts. But let's try to look at racism as a world-wide phenomenon. Then we can see for instance that the famous socialist leader Pol Pot persecuted the Vietnamese. We can see Hutus and Tutsis killing each other in Rwanda. There is the Turkish 'grey wolves' movement, there is deep-rooted racism in Japan, there are Afro-Americans committing hatecrimes against white Americans... even in my own neighborhood there are north-Africans causing plenty of trouble mostly to white people because colored people can be racist too.

hardly any regmine nowadays is tolerant. they are just tolerant to ideas that suit their economy. or did you ever hear "osama bin laden" talking in USA television for example?

Replace "regime" with "culture" Every culture is intolerant towards others because they know diluting their culture with others will mean the end of their culture. Only "multi-culture" seeks to assimilate other cultures and why? To turn it into a product and sell it, to exploit other nationalities. If you are against imperialism you should be against immigration, because what they are doing right now is simply a modern form of slavery. If our governments would want to do other countries a favor they would try to fix the problems of that country, but instead they let large corporations try to steal the most capable workers only to exploit them.

but anyway it is stil not real fascism. because in real fascism you even get to prison if you listen to radio shows that are not controlled by the government

Do you think Varg would still be in prison if he hadn't expressed his ideas so explicitly? It's funny that you bring up Varg Vikernes as an example of why you feel you should speak out against fascist tendencies. No offense but you almost make it sound as if the entire black metal movement is about to build statues for Varg. Many people that I speak to who are into black metal distance themselves from what Varg says. Even Varg himself has had to rectify some of his previous writings, and this was actually what I was referring to when I said that raising politics to this level only raises more issues. To put it simply: Varg went through an incredible amount of shit simply because he expressed his unpopular ideas to a large crowd. Holding him up as an example of why people should speak out against racism doesn't really work for me.

in imperialism people came to lands like africa and enslaved them. they also took black from africa as slave. do you really want to tell me that that is not a huge damage for country and its culture, or did i understand something wrong?

The Africans that were made slaves were mostly captured by other Africans. The thing is: there was already slavery in Africa before imperialism. Take the pyramids for instance: everybody agrees that they are historical wonders, no one is saying "think of all the poor slaves that died to build these things for their decadent pharaohs." Do you think the white traders would go deep into Africa to capture slaves? That would have been too dangerous for them. Instead they simply traded with the local African tribes who lived in the coastal areas and bought the slaves that those tribes had already taken. So you see slave trade isn't an exclusively white business and most of the slaves were already slaves. Also many of the guards and watchmen on the cotton-plantations were black. And the slaves in Suriname were actually released after some years of duty, and now they make up most of the population there (a funny detail to this is that the Suriname people who protest against slavery would not have been born if slavery had not existed, the same can be said for the Afro-Americans, a Suriname girl told me about this detail btw)

I accept slavery as something that was common in those days, and as something that is not exclusively done by white people. I know you (Protector) were not saying that but the stereotype was beginning to surface so I felt I had to point this out.

And most of the third world countries have been destroyed by civil war and aids, not because "the white people left them that way" suggesting that is ridiculous. They were given their independence and messed up due to their own corruption. Oh, and of course if the US intervenes it's bad (Iraq) but if the US doesn't intervene it's bad too (Rwanda) so how exactly are white people to blame for what still happens in those countries? This whole putting the blame on white people is not realistic, it's racist. Acknowledging that some people are limited and are for instance not ready yet to lead their own country is not racist, it's realistic.

Metal / Straight edge associated with fascism and racism
« on: May 03, 2007, 01:09:17 PM »
Murder, beatings and intimidation in the straight edge scene:


Notice how Karl Buechner doesn't directly dissassociates himself with this kind of behavior? On the contrary: he admits to having had friends who were like that. And does he condemn this kind of violence? No, he just says that kids should try to stay out of jail and that "it's not worth it" but he does not say he disapproves of the hatred behind such acts.

It's a fact: straight edgers commit hate-crimes. Leftist violence should be taken more seriously. This video proves that the argument that left-wing violence is a reaction to nazi-violence is a lie and that the left-wing movement hides racists in their own scenes.

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