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Interzone / Re: School shooting in Finland
« on: November 13, 2007, 03:56:38 PM »
Yeah, what is the meaning of living a normal life and doing nothing?  Everyone does that.  ANYTHING has more meaning than that.

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Interzone / Re: School shooting in Finland
« on: November 11, 2007, 07:41:00 PM »
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"dying by the sword for what he believed in' doesn't justify his belief. The 9/11 bombers actually believed that they would be going to heaven and be greeted by virgins when they do what they did. Does that mean that taking down two towers takes you to heaven and you'll get to bang some virgins? Or does that mean that we should condone their actions simply because they died by the sword for that they believed in?



Well I said you may or may not agree with his goal.  the point is, unlike the rest of us who just complain on message boards, he took action for what he believed in, meaning his life has more meaning that all those who just stay quiet and do nothing.  

What's interesting is that once you realize that there are no laws outside man's laws, you realize that there is no need to justify one's own beliefs.  They are your beliefs because you believe in them.  His action is what justifies it, for his action is what set it in stone.  

I don't see anything wrong with what he did.  He didn't know any better to do anything with more results and he wasn't going to sit around and wait to think of something.

Maybe we all should have shot up our schools.  Maybe the mass killing would have opened some eyes.  Maybe not though.  I guess we'll all get old now.

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Interzone / Re: Negativity
« on: November 11, 2007, 07:36:05 PM »
I agree with this completely.  Knowing your surroundings and accepting them for what they are is miles more positive than the heards of idiots who live in denial but pretend things are going well.  

Metal to me has always been the place where ideas surface that have been repressed by the masses.  if you repress any part of humanity it will come up somewhere else in a more comfrontational form than before.  If anything is causing negativity it's the repression, while metal has always been quick to comfront.

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Interzone / Re: Suicide
« on: November 10, 2007, 11:03:47 PM »
Suicide doesn't seem like defeat to me.  Is life always victory?  It depends on what you are fighting for.  If life isn't something you value, then there is no defeat.  It's not like anyone chose to live afterall, but they were given the power of life.  Maybe they can use that life to achieve other goals.

Suicide may or may not be metal, but it doesn't take much to see that suicide is nihilistic.

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Metal / Re: Summary: Metal/Neoclassical 2007
« on: November 10, 2007, 10:56:40 PM »
I don't know where I heard this, but I'm sure it's not my original thought, but good artists should always have one foot in the past, one foot in the future, and absolutely no interest in the present, meaning artists should be aware of what was accomplished, what can be accomplished and not be worried about being understood in the present.  

I always like to try to apply that to certain artists to see where they fit.  Burzum fits it, but Graveland seems to have both feet in the past, but still is good for neglecting the present.  Most popular bands in the nineties were only interested in the present for some reason.  The only moments they shined was when they were barrowing from the 70s, and otherwise were total garbage.

But moving on.

Speaking of Graveland, A Will Stronger than Death is my pick for 2007.  At first it seems like more of the same, but one can definitely here something more energetic going on.  The drums and riffing are connected so strongly that it seems to have more in common with the primitive black metal of the 80s, rather than the Norwey metal, while still retaining the melody shifts that Graveland is associated with.  Track 3 has a surprising Black Sabbath style riff opening it, which only shows that Darken seems to be searching for his Heavy Metal roots.  Perhaps he is anyway.  The album feels both youthful and concious at the same time.  It keeps your attention while still having enough depth to bring you back when you are wanting more out of the music.

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Interzone / Re: School shooting in Finland
« on: November 10, 2007, 08:48:36 PM »
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Those kids need time to calm down and think logically if their actions would really make a difference or not.


Yes they need to learn to ignore their problems and live long lives in society and not take any action on their beliefs

Parden the sarcasm.  

Let me throw in a breif thought.  When you people talk about thinking about consequences, you must have in mind that the point of life is to live long and be close to your family.  Is that what you want the point of your life to be.  This man, whether ignorant or not, came up with his own view of the world and decided to define his life by it.  It ended up making his life rather short but he achieved more, whether he achieved what he wanted to or not, than any quiet person who complains on message boards.  

I think his consequences matched his goal.  It might have been a dumb goal to some here, but he died by the sword for what he believed in.

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Metal / Two Genres of Metal
« on: November 10, 2007, 08:32:39 PM »
Regarding something I just posted in another thread, I was thinking about what it would take for new metal artists to revive the genre.  

Looking at the brief history of metal, mostly concerning the snowballing of extreme metal begining in the early 80s, it would seem that expecting the savior of metal to be of the black metal or death metal genres would be very problematic.

Before I go any further, let's just look at what we know.  For the last 12 years metal fans have been looking at new black and death metal releases wondering when the genres would be revived to the power they once had, and it does seem like there is room left to explore.  Unfortunately every year there seems to be less and less reason to look at new releases, as fewer are worth the time.  We have resorted to praising mediocre albums, as stated in the previous thread by someone else, for tiny improvements.

But metal is not a genre made for tiny improvements.  It's a genre that is defined by gigantic and extreme leaps forward made by bands like Slayer, Bathory and Burzum.  The extremity of the difference is part of the art.  If one were to keep going onward with metal, they would need to make an album as different from Deicide's Legion as Legion is from Black Sabbath's Paranoid album.  The spirit of metal is in these strong steps forward.

So because of that I think the new genre of metal would need to be so different that is would suddenly appear that there were only two genres of extreme metal.  One being the old style which is all the metal from before; black, death, grindcore etc. etc., and then the new genre which is so new and powerful that it groups all the old genres as one.

I will state that in my opinion, and many others, metal has been at a stand since Transylvanian Hungar, and all the other decent releases since then are more like art-rock albums that are just done in the form of metal.  Shouldn't metal be more than the form?  Metal has always been just as much about the time it was created as well as the instrumentation.  

Forgive the obviousness of this post.

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Metal / Re: Summary: Metal/Neoclassical 2007
« on: November 10, 2007, 08:18:06 PM »
That's because metal is a genre that evolved (one of the few times I will use that word when talking about art) in a very quick amount of time.  I also always thought it was odd that something that was called metal in the 80s might not neccessarily still be called metal today.

But as far as context goes, in all art the events surrounding it are just as important as the message put across.  The art should stand alone by itself, but it's also human nature to relate everything to the time it came out.

And finally there is the whole idea of originality.  If someone released an album today like the ones from 83, it would surely not be acceptable as metal is a genre with a direction.  This is also why I think expecting a new black or death metal album to revive the whole genre is not a realistic idea.  It'd have to be something completely different.

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Interzone / Re: What does Danzig mean to you?
« on: November 09, 2007, 11:41:58 PM »
I always liked his interpretation of rock'n'roll as a genre, but ultimately all his projects are always something of a hit and miss as far as quality goes.

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Interzone / Re: Music to fall asleep to/how it affects your dr
« on: November 09, 2007, 06:37:28 PM »
I think the original poster should read that first chapter of a Burzum story if they haven't already and hear what Varg says the purpose of his early albums were as far as sleep goes.

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Interzone / Re: Alternative education
« on: November 07, 2007, 03:56:55 PM »
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But rejecting highschool doesn't mean rejecting education. It just means rejecting highschool.


In regard to my previous post, it is important to say that I did this as well.  I rejected high school and ended up in a local community college.  I could have went on from there, but my career path didn't require it.  I still think I should have stayed in school though.  Sometimes you need to do things for yourself and build your own discipline.  That means doing things you don't always think is the most important thing in the world.  

I don't know.  I guess if you take the cards you are dealt and do the best with them, that's all anyone can ask.  

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Interzone / Re: Alternative education
« on: November 06, 2007, 09:36:00 PM »
Don't depend on a website to tell you what to do about schooling.


It just depends on what you want to do with your life.  If you are going to college or having a career that requires many years of education, then just suck it up.  Not everything is fun all the time.  Not everything that needs to be done is interesting or falls into your hobbies.  

It sounds like you are trying to cop out of schooling.  If that's the case, do so and make room for others who have ambition.

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Metal / Re: Canonical Metal Collection
« on: November 06, 2007, 09:30:29 PM »
I think the first Burzum album is amazing, but I also think it should be removed from the best of the best.  The second and third albums are the top of the line of metal in my opinion.  I think that's a good way to be thinking if one is to make a smaller list.

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Interzone / Re: Neoclassical Heavy Metal
« on: November 05, 2007, 09:45:18 PM »
I admit I certainly had trouble with this site's use of the word neoclassical when I first came here.  It seemed like they were just applying the word to any music that they liked that wasn't rock music.  The site looked like it was divided between metal and anything that is not metal.

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Metal / Re: The metal caste system
« on: November 03, 2007, 07:11:53 PM »
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But unlike the real caste system(which turned into a total mess), bands that falter should be relegated to lower caste and ones that improve (although unlikely) must be promoted.

for example :
Slayer's latest album falls in the untouchable category, though they may have been the 'warrior caste'.



Actually when a warrier becomes tired and settles down and no longer leads a warriers life, he is still treated with respect for being a warrier.  The same cannot be said for the bands that no longer make innovative albums.

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