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Metal / Immolation / consistency
« on: March 10, 2008, 09:57:12 AM »
After trying for the ten thousandth time to like Immolation because by all intelligent measures I should, I gave up yesterday. I like individual songs. The albums as a whole are like a distracted child, occasionally brilliant but too often petulant or prosaic, hammering out variations on known themes. The old accusation "but all their songs sound the same" isn't true, but it's true that many are very similar. There's a lack of a certain kind of consistency here. The best albums have this consistency: vision, aesthetic, music and lyrics united, and the concept is both critical and creative, wielding its destruction for higher powers. I don't find much of that here, and it makes it hard to want to pierce the surface tension of these albums when I know that inside is mixed in the attention put into it.

Metal / Radio Nihil: Metal and Culture War
« on: November 29, 2007, 03:39:30 PM »

All about

I. How our current society failed
II. What we can learn
III. What to do as it collapses

Those who cannot act are obsolete.

« on: November 29, 2007, 04:31:33 AM »
Primitive Reaction ( http://www.primitivereaction.com/ ) have made a license deal with Spinefarm Records, and are now releasing the catalogue on vinyl.

There's a short live recording from SWRI SHAMAANI available for a perioid of time at http://beherit.fi/swri/laitama.mp3

Interzone / Why most metal forums suck
« on: November 24, 2007, 05:52:25 AM »
Sometimes you want to read what people are saying about metal. You can pick up some good information this way, but the signal/noise ratio can be awful.

This thought found me browsing some metal forums well-known to the underground. Most of them are all noise, if you're looking for something other than an aimless way to spend your aimless life. I thought about this.

Most metal forums suck.

They suck because they encourage quantity over quality, which itself is a result of not taking the music seriously as art, but viewing it as entertainment. Entertainment is a way to pass the time. I've always thought it a condescending term.

If you want to be a "big success" in the metal forum world, you:

(1) Get yourself a commercial forum like vBulletin, spend a bunch of money and put in a bunch of mods, then get expensive hosting. Now you need to have advertisements to pay it off, but those can benefit you too. Claim you're defraying costs, and make a tidy profit.

(2) Find people with nothing better to do than spend six hours a day on forums to moderate your forums. These people will quite frankly be fucking losers. How can they not be? Anyone else is doing something great. Look for the forty-year old burnout who is on disability and has an alcohol or drug habit, and make him moderator. It will be the best thing going in his life, and he'll be really excited to exercise his authority in trivial ways. What do you care? The only people he's going to beat up on are the minority who say something controversial, or behave oddly.

(3) Encourage whatever is trendy, since you're surfing the media wave. People read Terrorizer or Metal Maniacs, see the bands on the cover, and then start gabbing about those because they don't know or care about other things. Make sure you feature those bands and stay "in touch" with what other monkeys are saying.

(4) Give people a sense of identity for just logging in. Tell them you are the ultimate metal forum, or the hardest ass forum, or the most open-minded forum. Then they think they're important somehow.

(5) Encourage trivial participation threads like "What did you eat today?" and "What did you buy today?" People love to feel included, even if they have nothing to say.

(6) Invite all your stupid hipsters in. They'll say exciting stuff like:

what band should be covered and what needs to stop being covered

someone needs to start an integrity cover band, mikey x lookin at you guy

You will now have a thriving metal "community."

Interzone / Listen to less
« on: November 24, 2007, 05:41:27 AM »
Over the past week, I've been too busy to spend much time listening to music.

The good aspect of this is that it means when I do reach for a CD (or click an mp3 folder), it's something that really inspires. About half of it is metal but it's all metal-like, with that epic spirit of vir. Of the metal, about half has been Graveland.

For the new years, I'm thinking:

(1) I'm going to listen to music more critically and only listen to stuff that's really of quality. I'm not a magpie, and I don't need new shiny objects to keep my attention. Something that's designed to sound like the best of the past, or is a variation on known themes, and doesn't have much of its own character, can suck it. Music really is its content and not its form.

(2) I'm going to listen to less music. It's raining outside now and I've just come in from a walk where I was able to hear rain on leaves, the muted calls of birds, the lonely sound of a train passing on the wind, the odd rhythms of families starting up their lives as filtered through the woods. Bad music just sounds like traffic noise.

If more people did this, I think what we got out of music would increase. One reason people download, or as some call it "steal," music is that most of it doesn't last for more than a week of being a new shiny object. I would rather listen to the best and have the rest be silence, like that at the farthest reaches of the stars.

Interzone / Chuck Schuldiner died of AIDS
« on: November 23, 2007, 07:05:23 AM »
Found this on another forum:

Chuck Schuldiner died of AIDS
Just like the men he'd blown
When he celebrated a faggot's death
He was talking about his own

Chuck Schuldiner died of AIDS
The 'brain tumor' was just a lie
Chuck Schuldiner died of AIDS
That he got butt fucking guys

His music sucked
He died of AIDS
His mom's a cunt
And Death was gay

Chuck Schuldiner died of AIDS
Just like Eazy-E
All his shirts were stained with semen
And his breath smelled just like pee

His music sucked
He died of AIDS
His mom's a cunt
And Death is gay!

Although that forum will ban you for saying "Chuck Schuldiner died of AIDS," it is funny to see 3-4 ANUS activists trolling the holy cows.

Does anyone in Opeth have AIDS, or should they be pedophiles? I like that better as a troll.

Or Jenkem users?

Metal / Estuary
« on: November 20, 2007, 05:42:02 PM »
Estuary - The Craft of Contradiction

There's so much to like about this, but then it becomes wearing down. It starts with a straight Rigor Mortis tribute of high speed riffing, but you notice immediately that for every promising beginning, there's some heavy metal termination that is a cliche because it is and always was obvious. Moments of this sound like the technical black/death of later in Immortal's career, and there are nods to Slayer and technical death bands like Pestilence. On the whole it is fast speed metal/death metal as a hybrid, even if it has deep whispery death metal voices. Parts of it, with the combined speed and technicality and really obvious pieces, reminds me of Hate Infernal and other post-death bands. I would like to like it; I almost do; however, the sheer repetition coupled with dumbass resolutions makes it unlikely I could listen to this again.

Metal / Proselytization Compilation I: Underground Metal
« on: November 18, 2007, 06:11:16 AM »

Proposal: Create a compilation to appeal to alienated, insightful people ages 12-42 who might find an understanding in underground metal if the seed of its ideals is explained to them.

Method: CD-Rs with handwritten labels, enclosed in a paper enveloped made from 8x12 or A4 paper.


I. Statement

"Language is a virus," said the author. A virus is a fragment of a living being that uses you, the host, to pass on its message so it creates more of itself. All of the music and media that comes at you is from a society bent on justifying itself, and this increases as this society fails.

There is one genre of music that has not bent to the law of doing what is popular, profitable, and therefore part of the virus infection of a dying society. This music, underground metal, is based on the Romanticist (Blake, Wordsworth, Poe) notion that we must look at life from a perspective outside of ourselves, and see it from the perspective of science, history, philosophy and occult religion in order to understand the significance of events in our life. It alone does not endorse the infection of our time, which is the idea that we can exist in personal realities and that we are not created by events outside of ourselves.

This music may sound disturbing to you. It is meant to, as its goal is to find beauty in darkness, and so to show us the yin-yang of good and evil, death and life, that allows us to exist. It is meant to show us that a world exists outside of our neurotic, product-driven, entertainment-guided lives. It is not for those who want to go through life by appeasing others and following the course to doom. You will be stepping to the Other Side, the only honestly different viewpoint you will find in this society, and it may change your life for good or ill. Use caution.

II. Audio


A. Technical Metal
1. Atheist - An Incarnations Dream
2. Gorguts - something from Erosion of Sanity
3. Demilich - something from Nespithe
B. Terrifying Metal
1. Deicide - something from Legion
2. Incantation - something from Onward
3. Obituary - something from Cause of Death
C. Cosmic Metal
1. Burzum - something from ???
2. Emperor - something from ITNE
3. Gorogoth - something from Antichrist
4. Enslaved - something from Hordanes Land
5. Graveland - something from Celtic Winter
D. Bridge to Normalcy
1. Voivod - something from Dimension Hatross
2. Slayer - ???
3. Celtic Frost - Procreation of the Wicked
4. Bathory - something from Hammerheart

Inspired by Back It Up, the thread.

Possible cover image

Interzone / Back it up
« on: November 18, 2007, 06:01:36 AM »

Stop reading when you encounter any item that does not apply to you. Only the things above that line apply to you.

1. You enjoy being alive.

2. You recognize that, if not good/evil bad/good, things and people in life can be divided into those doing something beautiful/sacred or inspiring, and those who are just existing, processing air, producing humanure, etc.

3. Because you enjoy being alive, and you recognize that you have a choice between the inspiring and the mundane, you want to do more of the former and less of the latter.


1. Metal music was formed by musicians who perceived similar aspects of reality, and created a form of music to express those notions, including both compositional and aesthetic elements.

2. Metal music succeeds when it expresses those elements, and seems pointless, or an aesthetic disconnected from content and thus not "whole," when it does not have that unity.

3. For metal music to thrive, the inspiring must be separated from the mundane, and the inspiring articulated as the only resistance to the mundane. If we do not keep looking at the most inspired and aiming for that, we end up in the mundane and make uninspired stuff that while it may be musically excellent communicates nothing, and so is irrelevant.

The heavy metal perspective is that all of our efforts are useless until we get outside the individual perspective, and see the world from a historical, natural or philosophical view, which is what makes metal "heavy." In this viewpoint, we can clearly distinguish between the inspiring and the mundane, and for our appreciation of beauty found even in the darkened sounds of heavy metal, we can escape fear of "evil" in order to do what is inspiring. We call this principle vir, and recognize it as essential to the transcendental, Romanticist view inherent to metal music.


1. Our social group is in part chosen to filter in those who appreciate the inspiring in metal, because that means they have seen in the world what we have seen, and wish to make a similar response.

2. In these people who have realistic understanding and also a desire to create the inspiring is the best possible future for humanity.

3. If we work together as a community, we can be more effective in achieving these goals.

4. The first step to achieving community is supporting each other, online and offline, emotionally and logically, physically and in abstraction. This is the foundation of a new community.


1. When we have a philosophy, we can translate that into a desired alternate world existing in the future which we can create.

2. If we support each other, we can not only work directly for this new world, but indirectly, by supporting only those things which will bring about this type of reality.

3. A community which pools our knowledge about the world as it is, our philosophy, and what we desire can bring together people who understand this need and achieve more than solitary people.


1. Achieve community.

2. Induct new members by using the inspiring in metal.

3. Support each other as individuals.

Interzone / Reminder: express self clearly
« on: November 14, 2007, 05:38:06 PM »
It's = it is
Its = belongs to it

Odd case: Its being gay did not stop Dimmu Borgir's "Enthrone Darkness Triumphant" from reaching the top ten.

Your = belongs to you
You're = you are

Odd case: Your going to help them is appreciated.


Merriam Webster dictionaries

Type in phonetic spelling, and it will give you the real word.


The Elements of Style

Interzone / Metal as white gospel
« on: November 12, 2007, 03:08:44 AM »
Try singing the following, without instruments and backing track, by yourself, without shaping your voice to be mean or sad or emo, just sing it naturally:

Now in darkness world stops turning,
ashes where the bodies burning.
No more War Pigs have the power,
Hand of God has struck the hour.
Day of judgement, God is calling,
on their knees the war pigs crawling.
Begging mercies for their sins,
Satan, laughing, spreads his wings.
Oh lord, yeah!

If you listen, you can hear that this is gospel music, religious supplication in a time of self-indulgent confusion.

It is prayer.

These lyrics show up again:

Millions dead and dying
Mass death and destruction
Mass death and destruction

A smouldering wilderness
Mass death and destruction
Mass death and destruction

Now in darkness world stops turning
Mass death and destruction
Mass death and destruction

I think they need to be written a third time:

Now in darkness
World stops turning
In a universe
Which recycles
No one cares
There are no voices
Your planet died
Your species failed
Far away
Infinite planets
Another life
Starts to build
They know not
The name of

This is nihilism

Interzone / Negativity
« on: November 10, 2007, 09:19:12 PM »
Really, fuck that. Negativity is what happens in the void of creativity. It's not negative to point out that our world is headed toward doom, if you see it as an opportunity.

Metal has never been negative so much as creative in a space of negativity, like post-apocalyptic novels... "Here in the radiation, surrounded by techno-feces, we strive... for the fucking fun of it."

Metal / Demigod - Let Chaos Prevail
« on: November 09, 2007, 04:13:25 AM »
After careful consideration we have decided to release our third album "Let Chaos Prevail" self-financed in Scandinavia. From the beginning we have strongly believed in the material, so we recorded the album already last summer at Fantom Studios, and now finally after almost a year of pondering our options, it will finally be released. As the criteria for the release this time was proper promotion in Finland and Scandinavia combined with wide spread distribution over the world, we came to the conclusion of releasing the album self financed in Finland and getting a foreign partner to handle the distribution over the world. The right label for co-operation was found in Xtreem Music. With Xtreem Music handling the distribution through out the world and we ourselves taking care of the Scandinavian market, the album will surely reach everyone who is interested in hearing it. We hoped to have our album release coincide with our friend Pekka-Eric Auvinen shooting up his high school, but we could not coordinate release dates.


Interzone / Faggotry against the ball caps
« on: November 04, 2007, 08:48:01 AM »
Faggotry is what happens when a band decides they're not unique enough, so they add dancing midgets, wear weird clothing and make their music funkier, jazzier, "weirder."

Ball caps is what happens when people decide music has gone too far into the faggotry, and so they make it brutal, simplistic and crass.

Metal veers between these extremes, to its detriment.

fago tree

Metal / Bands to add
« on: November 04, 2007, 07:48:34 AM »
If this were my archive, I'd add only the bands that are the best of the past, and any current bands that hold up that spirit and quality (Averse Sefira, Demoncy, Immolation, probably nothing else).

Anathema - All Faith Is Lost / An Illiad of Woes
Artillery - Fear of Tomorrow
Asphyx's 'The Rack'
At the Gates
Aurora Borealis
Bad Brains
Bathory - Hammerheart
Black Sabbath
Black Sabbath
Black Sabbath
Bolt Thrower: War master and Realm of Chaos BRUTALITY
Carcass - Necroticism
Cathedral - In Memoriam ep / Demo
Celtic Frost "Into The Pandemonium"
Chasm, The
Cirith Ungol
Crimson Massacre
Death - Chuck Died of AIDS bootleg
Deathspell Omega
Deceased - Luck Of The Corpse
Deeds of Flesh - all recent works
Disharmonic Orchestra
Emperor / Enslaved split
Excruciatiing Terror  
Funeral - Tristesse  
Gorefest - False
I Shalt Become - Wanderings  
Invocator : Weave the apocalypse
judas priest - sad wings of destiny
King Diamond- "Abigail" & "Them"
Legion of Doom
Lemming Project  
Master - Master, And on the seventh day, god created Master
Master's Hammer - Ritual  
Mayhem - Live in Leipzig
Mercyful Fate  
Molested - Blod Draum
Morpheus Descends
Mysticum "In the Streams of Inferno"
Nocternity "Onyx"
nuclear assault (survive)
Paradise Lost
Pentagram (US)  
Primordial - Imrama  
RIPPING CORPSE "Dreaming with the Dead"
Rotting christ - Thy mighty contract
Sabbat (UK)
samhain - november's coming fire
Seance - Fornever Laid to Rest
Slayer - Reign in Blood
Suuri Shamaani - Mysteerien Maailma
Testament - The Legacy  
Tyr - How Far to Asgaard, Eric the Red
Uriah Heep
VARATHRON - "Walpurgisnacht"
Venom - Black Metal
Vital Remains
Voivod - Phobos
Wicked Innocence
Windham Hell
Winter (US)
Zephyrous - Entrance and Wandering on the Seven Zones

I finally found the list of missing bands/albums from the past. You have your work cut out for you.

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