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Interzone / Re: Hipster trend alert
« on: March 14, 2014, 06:00:56 AM »
What's that going to mean to the masses? Load up on opinions about whatever is being mindfulnessed?

Buy more chips.  Isn't that what it always means?  To society, I mean.

Interzone / Re: Art Lover Kills Two in SXSW Drive Through Massacre
« on: March 14, 2014, 05:58:05 AM »
Tending your garden and building a shed may not be the best way to carry out such activities.
While a drive-through massacre, while admittedly not very elegant, does get the job done.

Pulling weeds, drive-through massacre; kinda the same thing, no?

Interzone / Re: Deleted post.
« on: March 14, 2014, 05:56:36 AM »
Freedom is a state of not wondering-if-you're/demanding-to-be free.

What is it if you're in a state of not-caring-if-you're free? 

Interzone / Art Lover Kills Two in SXSW Drive Through Massacre
« on: March 14, 2014, 05:46:57 AM »

A Ryder truck full of fertilizer and nails would have been a better choice.

Interzone / Re: Hipster trend alert
« on: March 14, 2014, 05:34:25 AM »
Raising conscious awareness, broseph.

Interzone / Re: Deleted post.
« on: March 14, 2014, 05:31:59 AM »
It seems impossible to describe to the young, a civilized state in which personal freedom is not the be-all-and-end-all. I say personal freedom, because it differs substantially from actual freedom.

Freedom as such doesn't seem to matter one away or another; but civilizations work best when the people in them are cheerfully engaged participants the life of their civilization, and cheerfully engaged can't really be beaten in.  I don't believe it can be bought with permissiveness, either. 

When one is competently led, by a competent leader, many arduous stresses are removed from daily life.
One no longer has to have opinions about absolutely everything, or need to decide what to go along with, or not.
One's path is clear, meaning one may go along that path, or elope to be personally responsible for one's survival, rather than have the state be responsible, in return for services-rendered.

There is a great deal of freedom inherent in the old style of strong leadership over a nation. And a great deal of dignity, which is something most moderns don't even know the meaning of, since it is entirely missing at this point.

There is something puzzling about a society where a young woman is more "empowered" by being in porn  than by attending one of the finest universities in the country.  Liberalism creates this bizarre counter-universe where everything is permitted, so long as you think the things you're allowed to think.  On the one hand, near total "freedom" in a purely mechanistic sense, on the other, a society that is profoundly totalitarian at a social/psychological/spiritual level.  But you're free, and crazy to think otherwise.

Interzone / Re: Deleted post.
« on: March 14, 2014, 04:48:38 AM »
Sometimes, the doing must be, to some degree, compelled. 

And he reverses his position. How modern.

I never suggested that compulsion has no place in society; I'm just saying compulsion can't be the primary basis of a healthy social order.  It's necessary if you're running a prison, but at best suboptimal if you want to run a civilization. 

I'm not saying this out of some squishy love for mythical rights.  You hate passive-aggression, but compulsion breeds passive aggression.  It nurtures and in many ways rewards passive-aggression.  The more you compel, the more that resistance takes this particularly odious form.  Fine, if you're cool with just piling on proles 'til the job gets done, but I don't think that's what you have in mind.

And the anecdotal story where the real problem was that someone lied and was passive-aggressive instead of being honest. It has zero relevance to what we're discussing.

A lot of of the basic stuff of "civilization" is penny ante crap, and a lot of making it all work is resolving the penny ante crap without leaving petty, festering resentments shot through the whole warp and weft of society.  The problem with penny ante crap is that it is A.) resolving penny ante crap is mostly a waste of a leader's time and B.) a lot of penny ante crap is remarkably resistant to the application of leadership. 

In any event, part of what brought the incident to mind in the first place was this:

I prefer organic leadership, which consists of putting the best people in charge and having a cultural shared values system to do the rest

...which I have taken to be central to this project (these projects?).  Building and preserving that "shared values system," I mean.  I know you've tended this garden for a long time, and I'm grateful to be able to visit your back yard, though I doubt it seems that way.

As always, I think we differ far more in degree than in kind, and, as always, you find me lukewarm.  So be it.

Interzone / Re: Deleted post.
« on: March 14, 2014, 02:30:03 AM »
Civilization is about making people do things.

Civilization is about getting people to do things, which is a different kettle of fish.  Sometimes, the doing must be, to some degree, compelled.  The problem is that compulsion can only ever be a temporary fix, a means of exerting control in crisis.  It can't form the basis of a social order, and every society ever built on a framework of raw compulsion self-destructed within a generation or two, at most.  Certainly, knocking heads has to be in the tool box, so to speak, but that's a remedy for the things that leadership alone can't fix.

In times of war, we defend; in times of peace, decisions must be made that involve all. To pretend otherwise is trendy libertarian double-speak, but it's not an address of reality.

I don't disagree with the premise, I just have no faith in the notion that, "Get the right leaders, and force everyone to follow them," addresses reality, either.  At some point, you have to get people to buy into the program, not just shuffle along for the moment because you'll crack heads if they don't.  There's no hammer big enough to keep everyone in line forever, and, eventually the folks being 'led' always figure that out. 

Understand that I'm not advocating surrender, I'm just advocating for avenues for leadership that aren't tied to "politics" as such.  For me, that means starting by putting those places where I have the power to effect immediate change in order and working out.  I stick to my back yard, but it's a big back yard, if the distinction means something. 

Interzone / Re: Deleted post.
« on: March 14, 2014, 12:32:30 AM »
re: tending to ones own lawn

Justice and virtues can't be understood in isolation.

See if your neighborhood has decent lawns. Anyone that doesn't do the basics of lawn care should be corrected.

I used to have neighbors who were sort of slovenly in the upkeep of their property ("We're not into maintenance around here," was how they liked to phrase it).  The old codger across the street couldn't fucking stand it, and in his defense, their property really was quite the local eyesore.  But the harder he pushed, the more times he tried to get the neighborhood association to weigh in, the more nuisance calls he made to the cops, the less effort they put into keeping their property up.

Now, I knew that they weren't inherently lazy folks; in their back yard, they keep a lovely kitchen garden as well as few hens (I've been trading fish for eggs and produce since moving in).  Last spring, I went over to drop off a trout I'd promised to smoke for them, and we got to talking about the latest round of their ongoing feud with the Old Codger.  I asked them why they didn't just suck it up and do the maintenance to get him off their backs.  Well, it turns out that the reason they were "not into maintenance" is that neither of them had ever really used tools.  They didn't even begin to have the skill sets to perform repairs themselves, and, financially, hiring people to take care of the most unsightly and pressing problems was out of the question.

Sadly, I'm no great shakes with tools, either, and my DIY projects always look like what they are; make-do approximations built by someone who doesn't really know what the hell he's doing.  But I do know someone who is an absolute genius with a hammer in his hand: the Old Codger.  Ultimately, it took some back and forth and a lot of (annoying) mediation, but for the last year, the Old Codger has been over at their house nearly every weekend, teaching our maintenance free couple how to fix and keep up their property.  The street looks way nicer, the Codger is staying busy doing something other than obsessing about the imperfections of his neighbors, and I don't have cop cars parked out in front of my house twice a month.

Interzone / Re: Deleted post.
« on: March 13, 2014, 11:29:36 PM »
Society works when everyone tends his own garden and straightens his own back yard, and it fails when it fills up with people ready to root around in other folks' yards.

Experience suggests otherwise -- you either have strong leadership, or your civilization falls apart. You either have cultural values, or you have anarchy. You seem to prefer the shopping mall model which, not surprisingly, is what you have.

Who was more a leader, Cincinnatus at his plow, or Coriolanus at the head of an army?  You speak of "leadership" is if it were about making people do things, but that's not leadership; it is domination, and domination is always an exercise of the ego.

Interzone / Re: Deleted post.
« on: March 13, 2014, 11:06:52 PM »
Experience suggests another possibility to me.  Society works when everyone tends his own garden and straightens his own back yard, and it fails when it fills up with people ready to root around in other folks' yards.  That is, in a nutshell, what liberalism is; a bunch of busybodies who think that society should be empowered to tend everyone's spaces for them.  This puts the strong at the mercy of the weak, and makes the weak entirely dependent on society for their existence.  Not surprisingly, it benefits no one but the little Eichmann's of the bureaucratic castes.

Interzone / Re: Deleted post.
« on: March 13, 2014, 07:35:50 PM »

This is generally known as submission, acceptance, and concession.

And since when have we cared how things are "generally" known?  I don't care a whit what the crowd thinks, and I doubt you do either.

Sounds like democracy, which is the individual projected onto the larger screen. Not every approach has that flaw.

In theory?  Probably not.  The practice, as always is a lot messier.   It is fairly instructive that the attempts in the last century to develop an alternative to Western-style democracy all rapidly decayed into personality cults, a process we've gotten to witness in real time in Russia over the last decade or so.

Interzone / Re: Deleted post.
« on: March 12, 2014, 11:28:32 PM »
I used to get exercised by politics, the mechanics and the isms and all the shiny, shiny pageantry.  It's pretty easy to get sucked in; people like to be a part of something bigger than themselves, and politics is an obvious vector for those impulses.  The problem is you get inside and you realize that everyone is fighting to be the one who gets to define what exactly it is that is bigger than our individual selves.  You end up wading in this vile slurry of emotional projection, fantasy wish fulfillment and raging ego.  Gross.

The funny thing about stuff that's bigger than us, though, is that it's bigger than us.  Politics isn't, really.  It's just us writ large, a rather less inspiring notion.  It is the illusion of control rather than the substance, and the substance in this case really is unobtainable.  Remember, bigger than us; we're eminently dispensable.  I tend toward a strategy these days of tending to the little corner of the universe I occupy, and, you know, just mostly trying not to be a dick.

Interzone / Re: Deleted post.
« on: March 12, 2014, 08:27:15 PM »
I have a hard time seeing how this:

"It's strange how much effort humans devote to showing themselves to the world to be something other than what they are, how much energy most of us devote to convincing the folks around us—and ourselves—that the image we project is the substance of being.  If other living things had time to worry about something other than being what they are, I suspect they'd hold us in quite a bit of contempt.  I know I do."

Is not humanity being humanity. That's the difference.

Perhaps, like the trout's inefficient, two-chambered heart, it is one of those 'fatal flaws' that the messy process of evolution often leaves intact.  Under favorable conditions, it is no real impediment, or perhaps even a virtue; under conditions of stress, it becomes essentially destructive.

That said, it seems suspiciously like a cultural practice than "human nature" as such, given the varying rates of prevalence in different populations.

I don't know. Our brand of social primate has adaptions that others like it do not posses, stacked utop older revisions. Adaptions are exactly what you describe: optimal under the conditions they arose to deal with and potentially fatal in other circumstances.

You can witness a sort of posturing in other mammals that by all reasonable accounts, is done with the intent to communicate an illusion of superiority.

I think this reading is more in the nature of anthropomorphization.  Animals don't "posture" to communicate an "illusion of superiority," they posture to indicate a willingness to resist violently if necessary. 

Interzone / Re: Deleted post.
« on: March 12, 2014, 08:18:50 PM »
Nice, Dylar. I'm glad you didn't take that personally, as so many would have.
I once saw a huge sailfish get hooked by a gringo on a boat in the Sea of Cortez.
The beast fought valiantly for maybe fifteen minutes, until getting lucky and speeding off.
Even the pinche gringo had to admire it.

If fishing is a sport, it is most certainly a blood sport, and anyone who pretends otherwise is lying to himself.  I'm a lot of things, most of them indifferent to bad, but I'm no liar.

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