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Interzone / Re: Deleted post.
« on: March 13, 2014, 11:29:36 PM »
Society works when everyone tends his own garden and straightens his own back yard, and it fails when it fills up with people ready to root around in other folks' yards.

Experience suggests otherwise -- you either have strong leadership, or your civilization falls apart. You either have cultural values, or you have anarchy. You seem to prefer the shopping mall model which, not surprisingly, is what you have.

Who was more a leader, Cincinnatus at his plow, or Coriolanus at the head of an army?  You speak of "leadership" is if it were about making people do things, but that's not leadership; it is domination, and domination is always an exercise of the ego.

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Interzone / Re: Deleted post.
« on: March 13, 2014, 11:06:52 PM »
Experience suggests another possibility to me.  Society works when everyone tends his own garden and straightens his own back yard, and it fails when it fills up with people ready to root around in other folks' yards.  That is, in a nutshell, what liberalism is; a bunch of busybodies who think that society should be empowered to tend everyone's spaces for them.  This puts the strong at the mercy of the weak, and makes the weak entirely dependent on society for their existence.  Not surprisingly, it benefits no one but the little Eichmann's of the bureaucratic castes.

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Interzone / Re: Deleted post.
« on: March 13, 2014, 07:35:50 PM »

This is generally known as submission, acceptance, and concession.

And since when have we cared how things are "generally" known?  I don't care a whit what the crowd thinks, and I doubt you do either.

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Sounds like democracy, which is the individual projected onto the larger screen. Not every approach has that flaw.

In theory?  Probably not.  The practice, as always is a lot messier.   It is fairly instructive that the attempts in the last century to develop an alternative to Western-style democracy all rapidly decayed into personality cults, a process we've gotten to witness in real time in Russia over the last decade or so.


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Interzone / Re: Deleted post.
« on: March 12, 2014, 11:28:32 PM »
I used to get exercised by politics, the mechanics and the isms and all the shiny, shiny pageantry.  It's pretty easy to get sucked in; people like to be a part of something bigger than themselves, and politics is an obvious vector for those impulses.  The problem is you get inside and you realize that everyone is fighting to be the one who gets to define what exactly it is that is bigger than our individual selves.  You end up wading in this vile slurry of emotional projection, fantasy wish fulfillment and raging ego.  Gross.

The funny thing about stuff that's bigger than us, though, is that it's bigger than us.  Politics isn't, really.  It's just us writ large, a rather less inspiring notion.  It is the illusion of control rather than the substance, and the substance in this case really is unobtainable.  Remember, bigger than us; we're eminently dispensable.  I tend toward a strategy these days of tending to the little corner of the universe I occupy, and, you know, just mostly trying not to be a dick.

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Interzone / Re: Deleted post.
« on: March 12, 2014, 08:27:15 PM »
I have a hard time seeing how this:

"It's strange how much effort humans devote to showing themselves to the world to be something other than what they are, how much energy most of us devote to convincing the folks around us—and ourselves—that the image we project is the substance of being.  If other living things had time to worry about something other than being what they are, I suspect they'd hold us in quite a bit of contempt.  I know I do."

Is not humanity being humanity. That's the difference.

Perhaps, like the trout's inefficient, two-chambered heart, it is one of those 'fatal flaws' that the messy process of evolution often leaves intact.  Under favorable conditions, it is no real impediment, or perhaps even a virtue; under conditions of stress, it becomes essentially destructive.

That said, it seems suspiciously like a cultural practice than "human nature" as such, given the varying rates of prevalence in different populations.

I don't know. Our brand of social primate has adaptions that others like it do not posses, stacked utop older revisions. Adaptions are exactly what you describe: optimal under the conditions they arose to deal with and potentially fatal in other circumstances.

You can witness a sort of posturing in other mammals that by all reasonable accounts, is done with the intent to communicate an illusion of superiority.

I think this reading is more in the nature of anthropomorphization.  Animals don't "posture" to communicate an "illusion of superiority," they posture to indicate a willingness to resist violently if necessary. 

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Interzone / Re: Deleted post.
« on: March 12, 2014, 08:18:50 PM »
Nice, Dylar. I'm glad you didn't take that personally, as so many would have.
I once saw a huge sailfish get hooked by a gringo on a boat in the Sea of Cortez.
The beast fought valiantly for maybe fifteen minutes, until getting lucky and speeding off.
Even the pinche gringo had to admire it.

If fishing is a sport, it is most certainly a blood sport, and anyone who pretends otherwise is lying to himself.  I'm a lot of things, most of them indifferent to bad, but I'm no liar.

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Interzone / Re: Deleted post.
« on: March 12, 2014, 08:04:03 PM »
Better to auto-die than be killed by monstrous human who fucks-with-fishes-for-fun?

Or better to auto-die under relatively unusual circumstances than take the metabolic penalty associated with a more elaborate circulatory system.  It takes a truly extraordinary fish to fight itself to death.  The capacity of a smaller fish to resist is generally exceeded long before its heart or energy budget gives out. 

The terms a fish usually gets from me are rather more lenient than they can expect from an otter, a heron, or a bigger trout.  I'm not sure that makes what I do any less monstrous, but the next step up the food chain is always a monster.  There's a reason top predators haunt the collective nightmares of humanity, too.

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Interzone / Re: Deleted post.
« on: March 12, 2014, 07:55:54 PM »
I have a hard time seeing how this:

"It's strange how much effort humans devote to showing themselves to the world to be something other than what they are, how much energy most of us devote to convincing the folks around us—and ourselves—that the image we project is the substance of being.  If other living things had time to worry about something other than being what they are, I suspect they'd hold us in quite a bit of contempt.  I know I do."

Is not humanity being humanity. That's the difference.

Perhaps, like the trout's inefficient, two-chambered heart, it is one of those 'fatal flaws' that the messy process of evolution often leaves intact.  Under favorable conditions, it is no real impediment, or perhaps even a virtue; under conditions of stress, it becomes essentially destructive.

That said, it seems suspiciously like a cultural practice than "human nature" as such, given the varying rates of prevalence in different populations.

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Interzone / Re: Hidden influences
« on: March 12, 2014, 07:45:02 PM »
I admit I sometimes miss all the quirky hacker history, hacker humor and hallucinogenic cavediving that used to be part and parcel of the experience of this site.  I can't say I ever understood any of it, but I enjoyed having it around.

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Interzone / Re: Deleted post.
« on: March 12, 2014, 07:40:30 PM »
I went fishing this morning, and hooked the largest trout I have ever seen in person.  She fought hard—so hard, in fact, that her little two-chambered heart just couldn't keep up in the end.  After several minutes, it became apparent that she just wasn't going to be able to swim away.  It was for me a moment both sad and beautiful.  Sad because I really came with no intent to harm such a lovely creature, but beautiful in the fashion that the struggle of life is always beautiful, be it ever so futile.  Here was something that, incapable of even the thought of being something it was not, died simply to be what it was. 

It's strange how much effort humans devote to showing themselves to the world to be something other than what they are, how much energy most of us devote to convincing the folks around us—and ourselves—that the image we project is the substance of being.  If other living things had time to worry about something other than being what they are, I suspect they'd hold us in quite a bit of contempt.  I know I do.

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Interzone / Re: What does it mean?
« on: March 09, 2014, 02:11:33 AM »
Call it a name, call it a notion, it doesn't seem to prevent insanity either way.  Again, not that you'd want to run into too many normals unmoored from any idea of God.

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Interzone / Re: What does it mean?
« on: March 08, 2014, 07:28:05 PM »
The notion of God prevents a man from ever undertaking such reckless craziness.
It is for us to discover the many ways we can make use of the framework that enables us to live.
Messing with the framework itself, is a really bad idea.

There's been plenty of reckless craziness undertaken in the name and service of God, my friend.

I think it is probably desirable that the great mass of folks who don't possess the full range of higher level human skills (for instance, those who lack a capacity for reliable self-regulation) not be left to wallow in idle atheism (or idol atheism, for that matter).  Every fellow carrying around his own imaginary slavedriver is one less actual, material slavedriver we have to employ (which is sweet, because those types are always odious).

For the rest, I feel that men should revere the Gods, but place no faith in them.

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Interzone / Re: Crimea 2014
« on: March 08, 2014, 05:39:50 AM »
Fuck Russia. 
Every Ukrianian I know wants them out of their country.  No matter what you intellectuals say about their roots the fact of the matter is Ukrainian people want their country to be free.  The fact that their government has been ridden by corruption and always influenced and sabotaged by Russian power and other foreign forces is a different matter.

So the crowd wants independence?  I can't think of a better argument in favor of Russian dominion.

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Interzone / Re: Crimea 2014
« on: March 07, 2014, 11:17:12 AM »
Think of the Polish-Lithuanian state as being equivalent to Vasa Sweden (that its monarchs were also drawn from the same dynasty only makes the comparison more apt).  That is to say that, like Sweden, Poland was capable of being an important, independent power so long as there was no stable, effective government in Germany or Russia.  The rise of the Hohenzollern state in Prussia and the emergence of the Romanov state in Muscovy pretty much ensured that Poland was doomed as an independent power.  It's instructive that the 'modern' Polish state reached its zenith in the 1920s, with Germany laid low under the provisions of Versailles and Russia still trying to overcome the effects of defeat, revolution and civil war.   

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Interzone / Re: Crimea 2014
« on: March 06, 2014, 04:16:34 PM »
So, here's the funny thing. What sparked the whole current drama in Ukraine/Crimea was a fight over whether Ukraine would remain in the Russian "sphere of influence," or whether it would pass into the hands of the EU (essentially a mechanism for enforcing and extending German economic hegemony). The more things change, baby. Let's party like it's 1939.

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