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Metal / Re: Scales (and the lack thereof) in metal.
« on: November 19, 2006, 09:33:36 PM »
The major point of convergence between the better metal and 'classical' music is that of concept or spirit.  They share a way of looking at the world.  Both forms are expressions of structuralist (to show the world as it is) and idealist (to show the world as it could be) impulses, and both at their cores celebrate a sort of heroic order.

The structuralist aspect creates divergence, however, and outer form is in a sense a product of its era.  Metal reflects in its sound the disintegration of the old heroic order celebrated by the classical tradition prior to Beethoven.   That death was foretold by Nietzsche, Wagner and the other Romantics (listen to the last act of Götterdämmerung and you'll hear a lot of the same tonal and melodic tendencies one finds in the best death and black metal), and is now in the process of consumation.  In metal, the use of chromaticism, serialism, and ambiguous resolutions express the death of order from which a new (old) order must rise.

The irony is that modern popular music (and inauthentic metal) has retained the outer form of traditional melody, but having long since jettisoned the inner content and ideal, is unable to make any sort of meaningful expression from these bones.  The end result in entertainment in the place of art and nostalgia where remembrance should be.

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Metal / Re: Bands better than icons in a style
« on: November 19, 2006, 03:14:55 AM »
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In my opinion Deeds of Flesh is better than Suffocation


Morpheus (Descends) likewise...

Another great example is first album Seance - who pull off the Entombed/Grave end of the Swedish style with a lot more aplomb than either of those bands.

Gutted and Mortuary easily surpass Obituary or Massacre.

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Metal / Re: Bands better than icons in a style
« on: November 19, 2006, 03:11:29 AM »
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I yell about SACRAMENTUM to people whenever I have the opportunity to do so.  Your example in this case is clearly correct - much more often than not, those touting DISSECTION as the primary example of well-crafted "melodic black/death metal" have had limited or zero exposure to SACRAMENTUM, including those well-versed in the underground in general in my experience.  I think SACRAMENTUM, or possibly Adipocere Records, failed themselves somewhat by making some unfortunate marketing decisions that obscured them through genericism in presentation.


The Necrolord coverart for Far Away From the Sun was, in retrospect, an unfortunate decision.  

The bigger handicap they faced was being on Adipocere in the first place.  Their distribution on the Continent was okay, but they didn't have much penetration of the North American and British markets - which is where the big, taste-making metal rags are located.  Besides, Dissection's take on the style was much more obvious and far more pleasingly referrential of first generation heavy metal (accessible to the burnouts).

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Metal / Re: Revisionist History.
« on: November 15, 2006, 09:10:10 PM »
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Wrong again, as you see that review is markedly different than it was about a year ago when it claimed that Von was designed as a mockery of Bathory.  



Some of the content is quite old however - and the last year has seen significant tweaking by multiple hands.

The point is fairly irrelevant - Venom's contribution was tiny no matter how you slice it.

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Metal / Re: Revisionist History.
« on: November 15, 2006, 06:07:07 PM »
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Hmm, actually Falcy, looks like the DLA has written Venom into the history of BM for extactly what it is.

http://anus.com/metal/von/

"Much in the way Venom functioned a generation earlier to liberate the aesthetic of metal at the time, Von broke through barriers in conceptions of songwriting and what constitutes a song, and in doing so gave place to the next generation more inclined to develop musicality within those frameworks."



Old review - view in the same jaundiced light that you would the formerly positive review of Storm of the Light's Bane that once graced the pages of the DLA.

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Metal / Re: Revisionist History.
« on: November 15, 2006, 03:09:16 AM »
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Of course. The real question here is why we have wasted so much time debating the flagrantly obvious.



Because you have some desperate need to take the DLA to task for failing to write an artistic non-entity like Venom into the history of black metal?

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Metal / Re: Revisionist History.
« on: November 15, 2006, 01:56:25 AM »
Anni, all of the things you mention are not the exclusive province of Venom - in fact, the vocal style and rhythmic patterns one finds on the early Venom releases are pretty patently cribbed from Motorhead - and it's pretty obvious given the chronology (Slayer's early style was already coalescing before Black Metal was widely available in the US) that Motorhead, not Venom, were the big influence on the early US speed metal bands.

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Metal / Re: Tritones
« on: November 13, 2006, 01:20:16 AM »
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I think the penatonic scale is very interesting.  I love it in relation with Enka music, but you probably find that boring as well.



It's certainly more interesting than most of the popular music to emerge from Japan.  Some of it is truly haunting.

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Metal / Re: Classical/metal and rock are different worlds
« on: November 09, 2006, 01:05:47 AM »
It's always good to be reminded that the world is not only full of morons - but the morons occupy positions of trust.

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Metal / Re: Tolerance and science
« on: November 07, 2006, 08:31:17 PM »
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And you still don't need religion for this!

LOL!


Based on the purpose most of the world's greatest edifices, it sure seems to help.


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Metal / Re: Tolerance and science
« on: November 07, 2006, 04:13:21 PM »
The power of myth lies in its beauty, and this has a value all its own.

And really, what drives home the reality of evolution better: reading Darwin or watching 2001: A Space Odyssey?

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Metal / Re: Tolerance and science
« on: November 07, 2006, 03:14:28 AM »
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The idea that all religions and ethics can be cast aside in one fell sweep is preposterous. Certains values are vital and heathly, others are stangent and destructive.


But they do need to be re-evaluated.

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Metal / Re: Tolerance and science
« on: November 05, 2006, 10:29:37 PM »
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Yep, so that means it is just as valid as some mystic smoking peyote to divine information about the world.


No, it doesn't.  It just means that the process isn't of a radically different nature - the validity lies in the different outcomes.

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Metal / Re: Criticism of this Metal Site
« on: November 05, 2006, 09:23:31 PM »
As usual, the anti-DLA criticism boils down to three major strands:

1. Oh, they don't like the same bands I do.

2. They expect metal to serve some purpose beyond a background for beer swilling.

3. I am an intellectual midget who is intimidated by 'big words.'

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Metal / Re: Tolerance and science
« on: November 05, 2006, 09:20:15 PM »
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Science is a the attainment of knowledge through empiricism and experimentation.   It maybe a human "invention" in terms of it being an abstract concept, but it has bearing to the world outside of the human mind.


How so?  It's ultimate purpose is the attainment of knowledge, something that exists only in the human mind.

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