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Interzone / Re: Our Cultures
« on: December 17, 2007, 02:09:01 PM »
I don't think it's an attack just on those of European descent. I think it's affecting all cultures. It seems like it is to take away the relationships and power held by people when they are united under an ancestral identity. It's much easier to keep people in their place and profit off of them when the only thing uniting them is the concept of money. Big business can't profit off of a self-sufficient ethnic group, what they need is a mass of consumers with no strong ties, no sense of identity, and the willingness to buy useless shit to fill that void. I'm not going to go as far as a conspiracy theorist and call this some grand plan. More than likely it's just the way things end up when you have a growth based economy and a mob ruled democracy.

As for my ancestry, to the best of my knowledge I'm somewhat of a Celto-Germanic mutt. My paternal grandfather, and maternal grandmother are both Irish. The other nationalities I've heard of in my family are Dutch, Scottish, Welsh, etc. As far as my phenotype, I have blond hair and blue eyes but most of my family has light brown hair and hazel eyes. As far as the culturally impact, there was always a pride of being Irish instilled by my late grandfather. Beyond that though, I live in America, and thus the main cultural influence on me is American culture. I do admire the founding fathers and what's left of the natural landscape. I feel though, that especially during my generation, and the two before it, people's ancestry is being left behind. Maybe this is making way for an American cultural identity, or maybe my first paragraph is being confirmed. I myself though have been drawn to both Celtic and Germanic culture, and that of the Indo-Europeans as a whole. In high school I took German for two years and I was drawn to the rich history of the language and its beautiful sound (I never understood why most people consider it harsh). It also gave me more appreciation for the English language, which has its roots in German.

As for how this has affected me as a Hessian, it's shown me the need to return to the traditional values of the past. I think many of the problems we face today were shaped by the spread of Judeo-Christianity and later by industrialization. Metal has always spoke against both things. My interest into mythology also manifested itself, drawing me closer to metal which takes influence from pagan religions. As a nihilist, it gave me a starting point to begin to establish more sane, healthy values in place of the foolish illusions I have shed. It is amazing how the wealth of knowledge found in the Vedas, Eddas, Sagas, and Cycles has been ignored and passed off as fairy tales. People have this superiority complex where they see whatever is current or new as being superior to the ways of the past.

The most troubling thing, though, is the realization of how fading these traditions are. They have aged, and much has been lost. This is where I see the need for a revival. My ancestral brethren and I must shed our modern illusions, isolate the values from our past, and rebirth them into the future. Otherwise we'll just continue down this road which started with Jesus and ends with Walmart.

Interzone / Re: Metal In My Life
« on: December 11, 2007, 09:32:16 PM »
The only advice I have to give is to relax and not take high school so seriously. Don't completely slack off and fail out of classes, but there's no reason to constantly study and obsess over getting the highest grade possible. Compared to most 14 year olds these days you are very mature and are somewhat on the right path. You need to learn how to forget about everything and just relax for a bit, though. This can be damaging if overdone, but everyone needs rest and recreation.

Ignore the idiotic pop-mentalities of fashion and consumerism. Choose your friends wisely. You'd also probably benefit from not being on forums and p2p programs all day. You've discovered some good music, so just relax now and thoroughly listen to it. You also shouldn't be concerned with debating other people, this usually leads nowhere. Debating yourself has some merits but can really break you down. Really you should be focused on experiencing and analyzing the world around you.

Most of all though, have fun with your friends, get out of the house and spend some time in the wilderness, break the law (at your age there aren't many consequences). Just go out there and do something that doesn't have to do with school or the moronic trends of your peers. Don't be so obsessed with attaining vast amounts of knowledge either, its a long complicated process where you will continually re-evaluate your beliefs and thoughts.

Interzone / Re: On the "Hessian Dreamworld"
« on: December 11, 2007, 06:17:21 PM »
Excellent post, I agree wholeheartedly. I think that too often people see Metal as some independent worldview only possible in our current time. What metal expresses though, is the same thing found in the ancient hymns of the Rigveda or the Romantic art of the more recent past. Its application and medium are most definitely modern, but the ideal is not. What this music can do is inspire us to reach our true potential, to transcend the current state of the world, and to establish a better designed and more sane society. The goal is to nihilistically remove the corrupted and illusory values of our time in order to place healthier ideals which coincide with nature in their place. Metal has its flaws but its job has essentually been done. It is the art which can inspire a new generation which has the tools to get humanity back on track.

The important thing to do right now, as you said, is to communicate and organize. The next step is for our worldviews to be published and communicated adequately to spread its message and give it validity. You also mentioned Hessian communities, which is a great idea, but we at least in the meantime need to educate ourselves and each others on more traditional, sustainable, and self-reliant modes of living. I like what you said in number 3 also, as it is something that can be done every single day without any great effort put towards it or any organization. When you realize that you are in a situation which would allow you to apply your worldview at the benefit to yourself and others, you should.

I think ANUS/Corrupt have the ideas needed to do this, it just needs to become a bit more structured and be able to encourage participation and lead others in the right direction.

Interzone / Re: Evidence of Portals to Other Words
« on: December 11, 2007, 02:53:26 PM »

The Occultist and Scientist both pursue the unknown to generate data and knowledge with which can be used to help answer things in life.

Without uncovering the unknown there would be no "known".

I think you misunderstood me by my choice of words. We can only study what we know to exist. We can become aware of something's existence through experience, using our senses. We can then study its function and place value on it. You apply this knowledge when confronted with existence that you have not experienced before. That would be the unknown. You can't acquire data from something which, as far as you know, doesn't exist.

Interzone / Re: Evidence of Portals to Other Words
« on: December 10, 2007, 03:57:51 AM »
I think, by definition, only one universe may exist. What the word universe refers to is the totality of existence. As for that website, I don't feel like reading it right now but if they're trying to say those pictures are proof of a parallel universe, they are either retarded or their audience is. Looks like the work of a slow shutter-speed or over-exposed film. I'd also add that the notion of universes or dimensions or what have you being parallel seems somewhat flawed. I'm not well versed in advanced physics but if you look at anything from a holistic perspective you see how everything intersects somewhere.

An additional thought. Why seek understanding of the unknown when we are yet to fully understand the known? This isn't to say such things shouldn't be explored, but that our priority should be understanding the immanent world which has the greater effect on our experience.

Interzone / Re: Metaphysical intelligence
« on: December 08, 2007, 03:28:32 PM »
Also, False Profit, my life experience tells me that even those lacking in technical, intellectual abilities can be imbued with a kind of intuitive sense that guides them through life in a constructive, creative manner, and that this is actually not even that rare.

It is amply obvious that this sort of being, beyond not being inherently destructive or parasitic, could actually fulfill a constructive, transcendant role within a properly organized social order.

I think perhaps people are thinking of manipulating somewhat of a dichotomy which can be used to mark the levels of a caste system in which they wish to purge the lowest who in a well designed society may not be needed. The error, though, seems to be the assumption that each caste was traditionally filled by one sort of person. In reality castes seem to be what could be called subcultures or a micro society. This seems to be somewhat true historically if you look at the highest caste in the Celtic system (which I have heard is nearly identical to that of Ancient India) where what we could call the priestly caste is made up of 3 subcastes who explore this niche in different ways. There are the bards, the vates, and the druids. All have different duties tailored to their qualities and characteristics I presume. The bards would be those with artistic talent (able to express ideas in a more accessible way). The vates, I believe are supposed to have been well versed in what we could call seership and would have been responsible for the application of ritual (preservers of culture). The druids, from the little we know of them, seem to have held both the philosophical and judicial duties of society (essentially thinkers and designers). These three different roles and niches, obviously require very different talents, personalities, skills, and intelligences. An artist for instance, may be a good communicator, able to express well. A seer may be very intuitive, be drawn to the esoteric, and have a full grasp not only of the purpose of ritual but how to implement it into society. The life of a druid, would require a person wary of their own bias, perceptive towards the closest possible aproximation of reality, and a mind which recognizes systems along with all of their parts and mechanisms.

As far as using IQ as a guide to who would belong in the highest strata of society, in this case a priestly caste, the druids would most likely score the highest. With that intelligence, though, even they would realize that the vates and bards are also needed to address the holistic needs, stresses, and conflicts found within any stratified society.

Interzone / Absurd Attempts To Simplify Existence
« on: December 08, 2007, 02:07:56 PM »
It seems that every single facet of human cognition is a vain attempt to simplify the world into a logical, rational system from which we can view patterns that allow us to understand and become working parts of a process. The problem is, while these methods do allow in a way for one to attain an understanding and tend to work both theoretically, and at least some of the time, practically; they do not account for the incomprehensible irrationality that is so awesomely pervasive of this chaotic absurd realm of existence. Even with these very words which I use in an attempt to desimplify our understanding, in a very ironic way, simplify the very notion of what I am attempting to communicate. This now bears a striking resemblance, at least in my mind to the harsh threshhold between one's own thoughts, ideals, emotions, and the actual communication thereof which is shaped by the simplifying mechanism that is language. This may manifest itself in writers block, miscommunication, troubles with expressing through a piece of art, and also simply (interesting choice of word) understanding one's own experience in any semblance of an objective viewpoint. Built right into our minds are further impediences, which ironically we rely on to sense these phenomena, such as emotion, thought, perception, and all forms of cognition. But possibly, it is within us the ability to use these tools in a less restrictive way.

What it reminds me of is Aldous Huxley's essay 'The Doors of Perception' where he posits that a "mind at large" is filtered through a barrier (possibly perception itself) and thus prevents us from understanding, communicating, or even fully experiencing any sort of, for lack of a better word, anything. He believed that this could be changed, possibly through use of psychedelics and he also saw a striking similarity to the drug experience and the disorder of Schizophrenia. It's been awhile since I've read those essays, and I shall give them another read again to explore this idea I am writing about at this moment. I can't quite remember if he saw the, as he called it, "inherited filter" as being a harsh reality present in the nature of being an existing organism. Or if he saw this filter as developing through social interaction and overall socialization. Personally I'd like to believe it is the latter, and that human beings, from birth, if not lead astray at least have the tools and capabilities needed to perceive the unfiltered phenomena. But possibly its the very nature of our existence as part of something to not to be able to understand the whole of it. An underlying conflict I am continually returned to, while contemplating matters such as this, is the idea that any quest for a true understanding of existence (more specifically the human experience) is essentially absurd and irrational which contrasts with the ability for us all to simplify any ideas involved in order to see a sort of system, pattern, or logic which can be either relied upn or manipulated. As with most conflicts, such as this, I think possibly the best approach is to combine both of these viewpoints in some sort of healthy ratio which allows one to experience the true absurd uniqueness of everything while still maintaining the use of rationality to at least remain existent.

Has anyone else contemplated this problem at length? I'd be interested to hear any thoughts or observations you have made on the subject. As for a more formally expressed question to be addressed in this discusion; I ask of you, do you think we as humans have the capability to view any sort of objective reality and take from it even an inkling of understanding? I think this is somewhat of a clash between the human experience within an essentially inhuman universe.

Interzone / Re: Metal and children.
« on: December 07, 2007, 08:35:03 PM »
In Metallica's "Ride the Lightning" I found something that moved my young spirit very deeply. It was beautiful and strong! A healthy sort of masculine, joyous aggression. In no way did this damage my spirit. In fact, I think it strengthened it in crucial ways. It allowed me to tap into a much more potent, healthy energy than anything else in my environment.

This just reminded me to let my 8 year old brother listen to this album. It's honestly one of the best metal albums to ever be made and fully expresses the hessian spirit. My brother enjoys old Heavy Metal such as Sabbath and what not. He also headbangs and plays air guitar to Death Metal and tolerates even some Black Metal but there's no way in hell he'd understand any of it. I think younger kids have much more of a chance of feeling the power expressed in Heavy and Speed metal. Either way, anything is better than letting them listen to what the majority of their peers do today.

Interzone / Re: Merry Christmas
« on: December 07, 2007, 02:09:56 AM »
I'm trying to gather a close group of friends for a yule celebration of sorts in the woods with a bonfire. That won't be on Dec 25 though, I reserve that day for my family even though I've specifically asked for no gifts, and my family has respected that despite the fact that every last one of them are Christian.

The actual date of the solstice varries from year to year, so you most likely can have it on the correct day and still have Christmas Day set aside for your family. The date was set to the 25th to coincide with the Roman calendar and match up better with Christianity.

Interzone / Re: Merry Christmas
« on: December 07, 2007, 01:56:11 AM »
Give oaths instead of gifts and you'll essentially be celebrating Yule. The decorating the tree, the ham dinner, burning of the yule log, etc, etc are all just traditional pagan traditions for the winter solstice. People are never satisfied with gifts anyway, I think underneath it all most people enjoy Christmas just for the coming together of family and the celebratory feasts and decorations. It would be absurd to give up holidays, well at least keep the meaningful ones (an easy way to identify useful holidays is that they follow the patterns of nature).

Interzone / Re: "US shoppers killed in gun rampage "
« on: December 06, 2007, 09:20:27 PM »
Mall-goers are part of a cycle that defies logic. Active participation in such a cycle implies that one is severely limited in their perspective; studies show that mass homicide appears to be a promising treatment.

As population density increases, we find that certain ill-disposed individuals are triggered to act out the will of Nature, which is a self-preserving system that tends dynamism within certain bounds. Once these bounds are overstepped, control elements are signaled to restore order. At one time, human societies were consonant with these principles, but no longer. Petty moralism or psychologization finds no place here; tragedy is part of the human condition that should be embraced. Death is feared by modern culture because it is an ever-present reminder of lives inadequately (and perhaps undeservingly) lived--the modern notion of a "right to life" is bullshit.

I am indifferent to events such as the one highlighted by this thread. Most people do not wish to consider what the data tells us. As long as this is the case, there will be no substantial changes made to society. Perhaps global warming will provide a sufficiently dramatic backdrop for the mass extinctions that are in order. May we all live in interesting times!

This is basically what I think about the subject, yet you seemed to articulate it in a much clearer and detailed way. These events have been happening over and over in recent years and under closer inspection there definitely is a logic to it which shows these events and individuals as being mechanisms responding to disparities in the broader system. What troubles me is that I am not sure these mechanisms will be effective in changing the course of humanity. Dogma seems to be very powerful and it plays damage control on these sorts of situations. While it cannot stop them from happening it can lessen their significance and blur their causes.

Interzone / Re: "US shoppers killed in gun rampage "
« on: December 06, 2007, 04:59:00 AM »
I think I feel it needed to in the sense that it was inevitable, that conditions are such that this kind of behavior is being unwittingly nurtured. I don't think we've ever had killings quite like these ones occurring before the modern era (correct me if I'm wrong I suppose). There is some kind of special disconnect at work that is being amplified and relied upon by these kinds of shooters. He says he's sorry for being a burden but that now he's going to be famous. What kind of world is he living in in his mind? Everything is so dramatically overstated in that typical depressed teenager fashion. These shooters are like amplified versions of the everyday angsty teen, so that is what makes me wonder: what is this powerful disconnect at work in our youth? It reaches a violent conclusion when pushed to the limit by unstable individuals, but there seem to be conditions that allow it to exist in the first place so long as it's benign and the kids don't act on it and shoot up their schools or malls.

I agree. The man obviously suffered from an extreme neurosis brought on by personal relationships and occupational hardships. I do think that such acts are a very modern phenomenon. Sure murder has existed since the birth of humanity, but the very similar details which characterize all of these sorts of shootings lead one to see the conflicts causing them along with the way they are carried out as entirely modern.

Interzone / Re: "US shoppers killed in gun rampage "
« on: December 06, 2007, 04:46:52 AM »

Seriously? going to the mall means that you're worth nothing to society? I'll restate my original statement, some of those people could have been very intelligent individuals. And if not intelligent... it doesn't mean they should die. It's not like they get in the way of the world progressing to a better state or anything. I think it's the people like the shooter that get in the way of a better world, but luckily he shot himself anyway.

What if what is best for society is to move away from the rampant materialism and consumerism which defines this age? Don't you think the masses of consumers who perpetuate these systems stand in the way of change for the better?

Interzone / Re: Studies
« on: December 04, 2007, 09:02:16 PM »
I am studying Anthropology and wish to pursue a career in Archaeology. I'm very interested in European Pre-History. I'd also like to study modern pre-industrial societies. All that being said, I'm still not completely sure what I'll be doing. There's obviously other things I will be doing in the meantime, and to do any serious work I will probably have to go to grad school, which before and during I have thought about maybe working for some non-profit organizations. Currently though I've just been going to school, but plan to go to some field schools during the summers over the next few years. They're pretty cheap in Eastern Europe, so I've thought about going there.

Interzone / Re: Tips for a classical newbie
« on: December 04, 2007, 04:51:05 AM »
It might not be a bad idea to create a torrent tracker for ANUS. Megaupload and Rapidshare aren't quite the best ways to distribute mp3's and flac's, as they require membership to remove bandwidth limits and links tend to die.

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