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Metal / Re: (Uniquely) American Black Metal
« on: January 02, 2007, 05:38:36 AM »
I think something in the vein of like Vlad Tepes and Absurd would be a good starting point for a folk-influenced American Black Metal. You know, a blackened hardcore band with folkish melodies and what not.

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Metal / Re: Why do people like metal?
« on: December 06, 2006, 03:20:29 PM »
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To me, it's an acquired taste and some fate or destiny in it. No one can just simply get into metal.

I too agree with the person who classified metal listeners into two categories. The trend-followers will just die off sooner or later. I'm the latter, by the way.

One has to get pass the stage of "having difficulties stomaching the music", getting pass the stage of "labelling metal as noise". After being re-formatted and all, then he will go deeper into the philosophical meanings of the music. Once the listener found the complementary ideology, he saw heaven.

It seems, sort of, like a ''right religion-finding'' process. But, religion is a bad term to use. Ack.

Yes I would say it is somewhat of an acquired taste. After you listen to a lot of metal and find out what it's all about you gain better ears for it. Something that may seem like complete brutal unintelligible noise to someone who is not initiated into metal usually sounds very clear to me. You have to get used to the instruments and effects used, along with the production. The first time someone hears say Transilvanian Hunger it will probably sound like static-y noise with rough nonsensical screams over top. But if they were to really get into metal, the next time they hear it, it would be as if with new ears. So as far as metal being an acquired taste, I think it mainly has to do with training your ear a bit.

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Metal / Re: Why do people like metal?
« on: December 04, 2006, 02:39:37 AM »
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Thats exactly what i mean, the "feeling" (sorry for using such a subjective term) of the music represents its ideas, so if your best mate just died in a car crash unless you were listen to very happy music as a sought of sarcastic effort you would probably be listen to a sad kind of music.

but your points about the way drums and distortion are used aren't the kind of thing an average listener could pick out, they cant tell its against society because it has distorted guitars. However they will be able to tell right off its not happy music, its not a gentle soft kind of music. And if you look at the ideology behind it you can see that you can gain a basic and very rough idea on the meaning of the music by only listen to it




I agree. Though I think the things I pointed out are somewhat subconscious. And as for the average listener, of course they can't see that. The messages are mainly heard by those who are deep into the music and the philosophy. Metal gives off those feelings without words. Then the vocals on top just sort of express the viewpoint of that band. But yeah, the aesthetics definately give off the philosophy. Doesn't mean the average joe will get it. It does seem that most intelligent, worthwhile people do, though.

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Metal / Re: Why do people like metal?
« on: December 03, 2006, 01:46:34 PM »
I think that looking at metal for how it sounds alone, actually brings out some of the philosophy of it. For example, the distorted guitars. Distortion is a sound we've come to know from electronic devices. Not when they're working properly, but when they're failing. Using this sound in art can be seen as a metaphor for society failing. The drums also incorporate a fast unsteady pace, and different kinds of beats that are more urgent sounding (such as blastbeats). This can be seen as telling us that time is running out. The overall dark and dissonant sound shows how one feels when they realize how we're going about life the wrong way, but hardly anyone else realizes. You feel distant, cold, and alienated towards your fellow man. The harsh vocals of the more extreme genre's express at times suffering, at other times power, and always urgency.

People who like metal fall into two distinct crowds. One group consists of people seeking the current trend, looking for more technical music, or searching for something more extreme. The other group looks for something in line with their philosophies. They've already headed down the left hand path. They're free thinkers who know somethings wrong, and metal can help them on their journey and open them up to more realizations.

The first group can end up learning what metal is really all about and end up in the second group, but usually the first group come in just for a trend, never really get into the great bands, and leave once a new trend comes along.

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Metal / Re: Ego death, death metal and black metal
« on: November 20, 2006, 01:33:28 AM »
I whole heartedly agree with the entire article. I think metal is a huge help and a metaphor for the nihilistic deconstruction which must take place in one's mind before they can really begin to find meaning and transcend. You'd think everyone would want to strive for transcendence, but the concept remains very esoteric. Art on the whole (including literature and music) seems to be the main source for one to learn of and be led towards enlightenment.

One thing I think about is what can metal be a stepping stone for? Should we journey further into older outlets of romanticism? Should we deconstruct life all the way, only leaving a very primitive outlook? Or should we contemplate basic existence itself?

I don't think one is ready to break it down that far just after metal, and similar literature and artwork. I think there are more things to be discovered and explored first.

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Metal / Brenoritvrezorkre
« on: November 04, 2006, 12:17:15 AM »
I downloaded Vasagračbe Éakr Vatrč Brenoritvrezorkre. It seems they have taken the underproduction common in black metal to an extreme. If you listen closely you can tell the actual music is quite good but the production can really ruin the experience. It's like they put a cheap computer mic in the middle of a room, turned their amps up and then played their songs, recording them with Windows' sound recorder.

I'd really love this band if they had half decent production, at least a 4-track tape recording would suffice.

What are your opinions?

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Metal / Re: Hessianism promoted/ attacked
« on: November 01, 2006, 11:19:41 AM »
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I'm pretty sure that was sarcasm and someone from this forum.


We can only hope, at second glance the user was registered that day and only had one post. So you most likely are right. It still doesn't take away from my post though. Especially since there were other legitimate posts that came close to that level of idiocy.

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Metal / Re: Hessianism promoted/ attacked
« on: November 01, 2006, 03:48:16 AM »
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Same as myself, I think metal should be just about entertainment. A bit of fun to drink and get wasted to. All this 'meaning' crap is bullshit. I'd say more but got to go buy burger king.


Wow, this just shows why we shouldn't care much about promoting our beliefs to the masses. Info-terrorism is one thing, a good method for social commentary(look at graffiti). But in reality, we shouldn't try to "recruit" more people, those who are in line with nihilistic beliefs and Hessian culture will find their way here by themselves, we all have.

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Metal / Re: Metal to write stories to
« on: November 01, 2006, 03:06:26 AM »
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Walt said in this thread that one of the reasons CoF were shit was because one of their songs had multiple references to the self. explain.



I don't mean individualism in the modern sense. Those references to the self were about emotions and the daily life of a person. When I speak of the individual I'm speaking of a person gaining strength through thought and experience and transcending the mundane. The ideals of metal are a little more esoteric than the goals of society. Yes they can be applied to a group of people but only individuals will come up with and embrace these ideals. Metal is for the free thinker, the loner, the individual, not for the sheeple.

Both types of people can end up liking metal but for different reasons.

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Metal / Re: Metal to write stories to
« on: October 31, 2006, 06:32:03 PM »
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Whats wrong with a collectivist yearning for something?


Black Metal is very individualistic. Collectivism isn't bad when its focused into a small group of like-minded people, but when it's used for the masses, it's a crutch for the weak.

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Metal / Re: Satyricon?
« on: October 30, 2006, 07:49:20 PM »
Was Satyricon removed from the Dark Legion Archives? I'm pretty sure I remember there being a review or two from them but they're not in the band list anymore. Why were they removed?

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Metal / Re: Metal to write stories to
« on: October 29, 2006, 05:24:17 AM »
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Are you retarded? You manage to go on and on without actually addressing much of what I have said.

Your using the argument which was mentioned in a previous post. I believe it was along the lines of X is shit but so is Y so X is ok.

Dimmu Borgir may be hypocritical or whatever. But does that justify being a hypocrite to insult them?

The point of the argument was a band's genre does not necesarrily mean that the band's lyrics suck. You can't argue that so you just say that dimmu borgir sucks.

Kudos to dimmu borgir for completeing Grade 10 English, unlike a certain sonofevil.

From anwers.com


"Intelligent: Showing sound judgment and rationality: an intelligent decision; an intelligent solution to the problem."


1. Burzum (Dunkelheit)

[Musikk og tekst skrevet August 1991 a.y.p.s.]

When night falls
she cloaks the world
in impenetrable darkness.
A chill rises
from the soil
and contaminates the air
suddenly...
life has new meaning.


Dimmu Borgir

[For All Time]

Every tear is frozen
Our soul is linked
Our hate is bloody
All happiness is gone away
All laughter is gone away
All life shall end in death
In a cold and deserted landscape
Shall the black horde step from
Our lord shall rise
Up for all time, rise his kingdom again
Our struggle shall be rewarded
Our names shall be written
Our minds shall pull the bough
All morality shall be cast away
You want but you die of shame
Now is the time come
Yes break the word of the good
Let us for all time become rulers on this earth


Neither of these songs are pretty stellar in the intelligence department.

Now, hold your breath and try not to insult dimmu borgir. If you actually bothered to read my posts, you would see that NOT ONCE, thats right, NOT ONCE have I claimed their lyrics are intelligent. I'm merely challenging you to think of a valid reason WHY. 'Oh they sound like shit' 'theyr candy black metal' etc etc are NOT good reasons.


Those two sets of lyrics show a stark contrast between those two bands.

Dunkelheit speaks of finding meaning in life through nature.

That Dimmu Borgir song expresses some collectivist yearning for their god's time to come. It reminds me of the christian concept of waiting for an eternal life in heaven.

Black Metal is about Nihilism and strength of the individual not some Judeo-Christian afterlife or judgement day and strength of a group.

Bands like CoF and DB seem to be somewhat egalitarian despite their satanic imagery.

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Metal / Re: Did metal hit its teenage years?
« on: October 21, 2006, 08:30:59 PM »
Metal is dead. The "good" die young.

The 2000's seem to be defined by christian metalcore bands. It's disgusting.

Now as for Israeli Black Metal. I don't really listen to any but if you think about it there's nothing really wrong with it when the ideals in place are Nationalism, Nihilism, and rejection of the modern world. As long as they're not bringing religion into their music I don't see a problem with it. A true nationalist doesn't hate jews, they just think we need to have independent societies from each other.

But really metal is fucked. I've talked to people who actually think its okay for a death metal band to be christian. They don't understand how rejection of christian morality is one of the founding principles of death metal.

Now, I'm not saying metal is over but there's no bands out there making good music AND having the right message and purpose. There's still some good metal out there musically, but they don't have any real ideas behind their music.

Hessians might have to abandon metal. I love the music, not just the ideals. But perhaps it needs to progress into something greater and more esoteric.

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Metal / Crust Punk
« on: July 24, 2006, 01:15:20 PM »
I find this genre very intriguing. I especially like the band Amebix. What are some other good crust punk bands?

I think anus should add punk to the archives considering how much influence it has had on many metal styles and all the crossover acts.

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