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Audiofile / Tangerine Dream
« on: March 14, 2015, 12:54:28 AM »
TANGERINE DREAM was a German electronic music group founded in 1967 by Edgar Froese (1944 - 2015). Early works are notable for bringing to life a new form of ambient music characterized by immersive and infinitely mysterious use of atmospheric effects coupled with an insatiable addiction for unorthodox instrumentation. May appeal to fans of Neptune Towers (Fenriz of Darkthrone side-project), for which Tangerine Dream and Klaus Schulze served as direct inspiration.

Tangerine Dream - Alpha Centauri (1971, Mega)

Tangerine Dream - Zeit (1971, Mega)

Tangerine Dream - Atem (1973, Mega)

Tangerine Dream - Green Desert (1973, Mega)

Tangerine Dream - Phaedra (1974, Mega)

Tangerine Dream - Rubycon (1975, Mega)

Tangerine Dream - Ricochet (1975, Mega)

Tangerine Dream - Stratosfear (1975, Mega)

Tangerine Dream - Soundmill Navigator: Live at the Philharmonics 1976 (2000, Mega)

Audiofile / Coil
« on: March 03, 2015, 02:31:30 AM »
Oddball stuff able to be appreciated by about 1% of the 1%.
May appeal to fans Suuri Shamaani, Neptune Towers and Maeror Tri.

Coil - Time Machines (1998, Mega)

Metal / Re: Tangerine Dream
« on: March 03, 2015, 02:09:18 AM »
I've been trying to find the Coil album. Is it the one where they call themselves TIME MACHINES as well? It's from 1998.

Yeah, that's the one. I think they used an alternate name because it was such a different project to the regular Coil material. I don't know if it has much baring on metal but it is at least held in some esteem by a select few. If you are familiar with Beherit at all, then it is worth noting that Marko later went on to start an ambient/drone project called Suuri Shamaani which is fantastic. Perhaps that project represents to something like Time Machines what Neptune Towers does to Tangerine Dream and Klaus Schulze.

By the way, how did you mean when you wrote that TD/Schulze discovered the technique in question by accident?

I suppose it isn't fair to say 'by accident', but that the 'drone' sound they momentarily stumbled upon was not really a major part of what they were trying to achieve with the rest of their works, nor was it an obvious direct influence on later artists working in this style. But there is actually much that could be extracted from these albums and used to great effect within modern incarnations of the genre (as a lot of it can get fairly bland and lifeless). For example, Klaus Schulze has this remarkable ability to steadily build up and maintain this sense of motion or momentum until it collapses under the sheer power and weight of itself. While Tangerine Dream - Zeit is more notable for the extreme sparseness and mysteriousness it conveys.

Metal / Re: Tangerine Dream
« on: March 01, 2015, 06:53:05 AM »
Regarding metal, it could perhaps be said that doom metal (of the funeral variant) makes fairly extensive use of the technique, though it's not something I can listen to all that much. Whereas an album such as Filosofem by Burzum is more akin to ambient with occassional elements of 'drone'. Even the first two SWANS albums could fit that description quite well.

Metal / Re: Tangerine Dream
« on: March 01, 2015, 01:35:45 AM »
I would agree with the description of drone and ambient evoking mental landscapes more so than something which appeals to emotion. Indeed, it can be so very 'mental' that much of the appeal of what is commonly enjoyed as music is lost, and thus it moreso takes on the form of auditory illusions, sonic textural-architecture and such. Really, I don't know a lot other than that Coil's Time Machines album is pretty cool. Also Arthur Dent and Deeper than Space made an album called Drift which is quite interesting. And of course almost anything by Maeror Tri (two members of which later reformed as Troum) is good too.

Metal / Re: Tangerine Dream
« on: February 28, 2015, 12:06:35 PM »
Not sure about the forum. But yes you are right about the parallel with Klaus Schulze's Irrlicht, made roughly around the same time too (to add a further parallel). The style of these albums seems to have been discovered and created by accident almost, as they bare no clear lineage to the style of more recent works in the 'drone' or 'ambient' genres.

At any rate, such genres can be hard to define, or at least are not as clearly recognisable as metal or rock sub-genres for example. The is partly because of the highly abstracted nature of the 'music', and that they are as much descriptions of techniques which could be used in any genre as they are genres in themselves.

Metal / Re: Percussion
« on: February 27, 2015, 02:27:45 PM »
Even Samoth did a good job on the first Emperor demo.

Metal / Re: Tangerine Dream
« on: February 27, 2015, 02:14:11 PM »
Everything before and up to Phaedra is experimental essentially, but still quite enjoyable and rewarding on the whole. Electronic Meditation is a bit messy and doesn't really grab me. Alpha Centauri was a huge step forward, way more refined in terms of technical innovations and music structure. It's probably their most unique offering and there are some really special moments in there. Zeit on the other hand is a fantastic drone/ambient album, and thus maintains a fairly narrow spectrum of interest among potential listeners. For some reason, I could never remember Atem...

For live stuff seek out the recording in Berlin Deutschlandhalle 1973, Reims Cathedral 1974 and Soundmill Navigator live at the Philharmonics 1976. All are great, reveal many secrets and would have passed for albums in their own right had hi-fidelity portable recording equipment been as available as it is today.

Metal / Would help like-minds sell out but am flat broke unfortunately
« on: February 27, 2015, 01:45:33 PM »
It's often the case, but I honesty haven't much desire to explore beyond a certain point in a band's discography, especially once they reach the point of boredom with having achieved what they set out to do (and hence the inevitable shift of gears). Still, what was good shall always be good in a way, even if only at that time and in that particular headspace within which it was encountered. There was a connection and so be it; I gain more from the memories of memories than when having to repeat an experience or be led in a direction contrary to my own. To be honest, I might never even have given any of my all-time favourites another listen after a certain point, despite knowing they where top notch or meant a lot to me etc. Basically, just move on and keep wandering the land. Completely selfish by default.

Metal / Re: Tangerine Dream
« on: February 27, 2015, 01:10:23 PM »
I tend not to like the prog-y direction as much as I do the earlier cosmic atmospheric ambient sound. But as you say, from around Phaedra and onwards to Stratosfear is probably the zenith. Nevertheless those albums falling either side of a given high-point are still good or at least interesting. And any live bootlegs from the early to mid 70s are better still!


Metal / Re: Tangerine Dream
« on: February 27, 2015, 07:45:18 AM »
I suppose instruments of melody can take on a percussive effect at times just like percussive instruments can be tuned a certain way to create certain pitches (depending on a given composition, this could at times lend itself to melody).

Of course when it comes to electronic music this is even more the case, as the medium itself is all about manipulating what sounds real, and hence being better suited to 'otherworldly' type music than the replication of acoustic sound. But really, it all depends.

As for Stratosphere, well it's got a fair bit more of that murky, billowy, cosmic atmosphere stripped away than previous albums. I do still like it (as I remember) but haven't visited in the longest of times. Yes, looping and sequences became more pronounced, conveying the ever-familiar effect of audible momentum/movement while at other times suddenly giving rise to expansive senses of distance (which could further give rise to one's foot reaching at non-existent brake-pedals). Cover design and artwork is among some of the most creative I have seen. While to it's detriment, synths started taking on that cheesy proto-80s aesthetic a bit.

I suppose, on the whole it could be said that it's the obvious point at which they changed directions (most will say for the worst) while still retaining enough artistic integrity for it to be a good album.

(insert two cent coin)

Metal / Re: Percussion
« on: February 27, 2015, 05:42:02 AM »
Definitely one of my favourite drum performances.

Metal / Re: Tangerine Dream
« on: February 25, 2015, 10:42:43 AM »
I dare say, you are not wrong Spinal! From around the point of creating Phaedra and onwards for a few albums they achieved a synergy of these two directions i.e. semi-narrative type structure and droning obscure atmospheric sound-textures such as can be found on an album like Zeit.

But whereas in metal riffing this takes the form of a jigsaw puzzle, Tangerine Dream employ their narrative moreso like a collage or painting in the style of impressionism i.e. somewhat still abstracted by atmosphere. And the moments of intensity are indeed there for those whom develop the perceptual ear (perhaps more readily identifiable to listeners of black metal than death metal, again because of the emphasis on manipulating atmosphere).

Metal / Re: Tangerine Dream
« on: January 30, 2015, 09:01:33 AM »
A very interesting opinion indeed.

Actually it would seem that ambient often does lack the type of forcefulness the average metal-listener seeks, and likewise metal lacks the subtle textural element found in ambient electronic. Where their territories cross over if at all is in the atmospheres hinted at through both on a level beyond common perception. May it become known to both in time.

And may Herr Froese rest peacefully in Valhalla as the visionary and synth-god that he undoubtedly was!

Metal / Re: Ambient
« on: January 12, 2015, 11:26:09 PM »
Alpha Wave Movement - Drifted into Deeper Lands
Neptune Towers - Caravans to Empire Algol
William Basinski - Shortwavemusic
Colourform - Visions of Surya
Biosphere - Substrata

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