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Metal / Slow
« on: April 25, 2015, 04:55:17 AM »
Whether it's the epic, majestic, fantasy realms of Summoning
or the hard, cold, industial reality of Godflesh

Nothing quite says what it says, or in the way it needs to be said
when it says it nice and  s l o w  ... .. .

Metal / Re: Context
« on: April 25, 2015, 04:15:25 AM »
However, I do wish they would write more tracks in the style of 'Might and Glory'.


Metal / Re: Context
« on: April 25, 2015, 04:12:07 AM »
(As regards Summoning, there is a blatant tendency amongst contemporary efforts to cloak a latent heavy-metal element in the tried-and-tested aesthetic of the forefathers. When I first heard Summoning's vocalist repeatedly screeching the chorus "Take a ride, why not?, on your rotting horse on the deadly ground" I was in a caught in a paradox of laughter and embarrasment)

No truer words have been spoken.  ;D

But actually it isn't all that bad, the first couple of tracks at least left pheromonal traces of vir in their wake. It's almost worth it just for that. So without experimenting and taking the risk on Stronghold, I doubt they could have achieved what they did on those last two albums with such mastery.

Metal / Re: Percussion
« on: April 25, 2015, 03:48:01 AM »
Fenriz once said something to the effect of how the style of their music is so primitive, he therefore doesn't actually play the drums, but rather hits them.

Metal / Re: Tangerine Dream
« on: April 18, 2015, 11:19:14 PM »

An 'orange cover' sounds as though you might be thinking of that Tangram album, which was basically just a big cheese fest for moog enthusiasts after the band almost entirely lost every shred of creative potential; plus momentum flounders that ever there was.

Needless to say, do give them another chance. I would say the starting point for newcomers from a metal background would undoubtedly be their earlier material, mid 70s and earlier but most definitely starting with Phaedra.


Metal / A Helpful Guide To Better Ambient Listening
« on: April 18, 2015, 10:32:06 PM »
Quote from: Adam Douglas, Redwood City, 1993
First things first: Ambient music can be many things, but there are three things it most definitely is not:

It is not merely techno slowed down.
It is not just a bunch of sound effects records played at the same time.
It is not boring.

If the ambient music you are used to hearing is any of these things, chuck it in the garbage, because it's a waste of your time. Ambient music requires one to listen, and these elements are all shortcomings to actually listening. It is the easy way out. And that's called 'pop music.'

Like Muzak, ambient music creates an environment that you enter while listening. Notice how no other sense is necessary for this experience: no fractals to look at, no patchouli to smell, no bean bags to lie on. These are all superfluous. All you need are your ears and an active, open mind. Ambient music can get you there—minus the jet lag, minus the come down. All it requires of you is to listen.

And when you've turned off the stereo, keep listening. Ambient music is constant. Birds, wind, cars, people—a rhythm of random, natural sounds perpetually performed: the concert of life. As John Cage has said: "Music is all around us, if we only had ears." So listen, listen to your own rhythms: your heartbeat, the sub-bass rumble of your circulating blood, the music bubbling forth in your brain. Don't tune them out because you've heard it before—it's beautiful, and it's free.

Travel deeper than your surface perceptions, listen behind the sounds, around the silent spaces. Beats begin to emerge from the clutter, voices from seemingly unintelligible sounds (my first ambient experience was hearing rhythmic voices from a running dishwasher as a child). And listen actively—we have been conditioned into passive listening, an activity that requires virtually no action. Ambient music can help you fly, but you still have to flap your arms. How hard you flap only depends on how high you want to go.

Audiofile / Tangerine Dream
« on: March 13, 2015, 05:54:28 PM »
TANGERINE DREAM was a German electronic music group founded in 1967 by Edgar Froese (1944 - 2015). Early works are notable for bringing to life a new form of ambient music characterized by immersive and infinitely mysterious use of atmospheric effects coupled with an insatiable addiction for unorthodox instrumentation. May appeal to fans of Neptune Towers (Fenriz of Darkthrone side-project), for which Tangerine Dream and Klaus Schulze served as direct inspiration.

Tangerine Dream - Alpha Centauri (1971, Mega)

Tangerine Dream - Zeit (1971, Mega)

Tangerine Dream - Atem (1973, Mega)

Tangerine Dream - Green Desert (1973, Mega)

Tangerine Dream - Phaedra (1974, Mega)

Tangerine Dream - Rubycon (1975, Mega)

Tangerine Dream - Ricochet (1975, Mega)

Tangerine Dream - Stratosfear (1975, Mega)

Tangerine Dream - Soundmill Navigator: Live at the Philharmonics 1976 (2000, Mega)

Audiofile / Coil
« on: March 02, 2015, 06:31:30 PM »
Oddball stuff able to be appreciated by about 1% of the 1%.
May appeal to fans Suuri Shamaani, Neptune Towers and Maeror Tri.

Coil - Time Machines (1998, Mega)

Metal / Re: Tangerine Dream
« on: March 02, 2015, 06:09:18 PM »
I've been trying to find the Coil album. Is it the one where they call themselves TIME MACHINES as well? It's from 1998.

Yeah, that's the one. I think they used an alternate name because it was such a different project to the regular Coil material. I don't know if it has much baring on metal but it is at least held in some esteem by a select few. If you are familiar with Beherit at all, then it is worth noting that Marko later went on to start an ambient/drone project called Suuri Shamaani which is fantastic. Perhaps that project represents to something like Time Machines what Neptune Towers does to Tangerine Dream and Klaus Schulze.

By the way, how did you mean when you wrote that TD/Schulze discovered the technique in question by accident?

I suppose it isn't fair to say 'by accident', but that the 'drone' sound they momentarily stumbled upon was not really a major part of what they were trying to achieve with the rest of their works, nor was it an obvious direct influence on later artists working in this style. But there is actually much that could be extracted from these albums and used to great effect within modern incarnations of the genre (as a lot of it can get fairly bland and lifeless). For example, Klaus Schulze has this remarkable ability to steadily build up and maintain this sense of motion or momentum until it collapses under the sheer power and weight of itself. While Tangerine Dream - Zeit is more notable for the extreme sparseness and mysteriousness it conveys.

Metal / Re: Tangerine Dream
« on: February 28, 2015, 10:53:05 PM »
Regarding metal, it could perhaps be said that doom metal (of the funeral variant) makes fairly extensive use of the technique, though it's not something I can listen to all that much. Whereas an album such as Filosofem by Burzum is more akin to ambient with occassional elements of 'drone'. Even the first two SWANS albums could fit that description quite well.

Metal / Re: Tangerine Dream
« on: February 28, 2015, 05:35:45 PM »
I would agree with the description of drone and ambient evoking mental landscapes more so than something which appeals to emotion. Indeed, it can be so very 'mental' that much of the appeal of what is commonly enjoyed as music is lost, and thus it moreso takes on the form of auditory illusions, sonic textural-architecture and such. Really, I don't know a lot other than that Coil's Time Machines album is pretty cool. Also Arthur Dent and Deeper than Space made an album called Drift which is quite interesting. And of course almost anything by Maeror Tri (two members of which later reformed as Troum) is good too.

Metal / Re: Tangerine Dream
« on: February 28, 2015, 04:06:35 AM »
Not sure about the forum. But yes you are right about the parallel with Klaus Schulze's Irrlicht, made roughly around the same time too (to add a further parallel). The style of these albums seems to have been discovered and created by accident almost, as they bare no clear lineage to the style of more recent works in the 'drone' or 'ambient' genres.

At any rate, such genres can be hard to define, or at least are not as clearly recognisable as metal or rock sub-genres for example. The is partly because of the highly abstracted nature of the 'music', and that they are as much descriptions of techniques which could be used in any genre as they are genres in themselves.

Metal / Re: Percussion
« on: February 27, 2015, 06:27:45 AM »
Even Samoth did a good job on the first Emperor demo.

Metal / Re: Tangerine Dream
« on: February 27, 2015, 06:14:11 AM »
Everything before and up to Phaedra is experimental essentially, but still quite enjoyable and rewarding on the whole. Electronic Meditation is a bit messy and doesn't really grab me. Alpha Centauri was a huge step forward, way more refined in terms of technical innovations and music structure. It's probably their most unique offering and there are some really special moments in there. Zeit on the other hand is a fantastic drone/ambient album, and thus maintains a fairly narrow spectrum of interest among potential listeners. For some reason, I could never remember Atem...

For live stuff seek out the recording in Berlin Deutschlandhalle 1973, Reims Cathedral 1974 and Soundmill Navigator live at the Philharmonics 1976. All are great, reveal many secrets and would have passed for albums in their own right had hi-fidelity portable recording equipment been as available as it is today.

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