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Metal / Re: Solos
« on: January 12, 2013, 01:57:49 PM »
Lastly, even completely messy and seemingly random soloing as found in Blasphemy or early Beherit can serve its purpose perfectly. That is to say, moreso as 'noise' and 'effect' than melody. But it's necessary to give that otherwise unattainable effect of a raging stormwind in conception.

Metal / Re: Solos
« on: January 12, 2013, 01:41:35 PM »
So what are some examples of otherwise good songs with poor or overwrought solos? Within the canon of the best of metal I mean. I struggle to think of examples.

It can be hard to find fault in any aspect of top-tier material for the very fact that it is top-tier and that with whatever faults exist, it still succeeds overwhelmingly.

So I guess I'm only aiming for a general observation from a primarily compositional standpoint. My main objection would be to the verse-chorus song structure which typically employs soloing to tie off loose ends before repeating the opening riffs to close a piece. It's not necessarily bad just outmoded in its stuplicity.

The other appoach is to put some thought into the key melodic content while improvising over it accordingly. The example of Varathron is well apt and I would add to it Euronymous' classic Freezing Moon solo. Unfortunately it still kind of fits into the neat little 'time for a solo' mentality.

The example left to us on Hvis lyset tar oss sees leads/solos thoroughly augment every element of riffing in song construction. Needless to say that album represents the farthest evolutionary point of the genre in almost any other element one could think of. Darkthrone's A Blaze ... era had similar potential.

Interzone / Re: Digital era killing creativity
« on: January 12, 2013, 12:56:02 PM »
Though I believe this to be the case (without requiring a shred of proof) one must question the motives behind certain studies. Some are set up to fail.

Interzone / Re: Nothing in music is superficial
« on: January 12, 2013, 12:44:23 PM »
Metal is like a mythology, and so it doesn't require a literal interpretation as the process is largely subconscious. Taken for what it is, you don't even consider whether it's serious or not because the music speaks for itself.
It speaks directly to the savage ape man lurking within. Metal's primitiveness becomes its defining virtue because the ape can't be escaped no matter how hard one tries and acknowledging this puts you one step closer to self-actualization.

Surely there's more to it than that. As I see it, this primitive, animalistic element is only half the equation. The other half longs for something beyond man. Perhaps to see man as a stepping stone between beast and god.

The primate has no real need for poetic lyrics. Has anyone here really disqualified a metal album based on its lyrics? Just fucking growl, moan, scream and throw feces at the crowd.

But the epic, narrative style of black metal naturally lends itself to this poetic quality. A band like Summoning for example made great inroads in this department. And what would Drawing Down the Moon be without those insane ritualistic vocal incantations? Sure it's not what makes the album, no single element is, and no one element is necessarily equal to another, but it belongs there and serves a purpose all the same.

Interzone / Re: Honor
« on: January 12, 2013, 12:13:03 PM »
Interesting article. I have considered taking up some new activity this year which would fit in with the idea of 'joining a platoon' as the article describes it. I thought archery club might be an idea. I also thought about Judo, Aikido or Systema (Russian martial arts) but I don't want to get too beaten up as I look comparatively more aristocratic than the average man in these times. Rock climbing is also of interest though I'm guessing that's more of a solitary endeavour.

Any thoughts or anyone with experience in these areas?

Interzone / Re: Could it be..?
« on: January 12, 2013, 11:17:21 AM »
Consider the leftists who consistently buy Fair Trade products, who consistently indulge in a vegetarian lifestyle, who consistently send money to poor countries. They most certainly practice what they preach.

These are token gestures. A way of appearing to right the wrongs of the world (without realizing liberalism itself is the prime cause thereof). I've got no doubt they might put unparalled energy into practicing what they preach, and may even be good natured people, but there is a natural order that pervades all things and I don't think liberals can stomach it. Their thinking becomes an anti-ideology. A maladaptive reaction based on fear of the hardships of reality.

That being said, I also don't see the value of making an enemy. There is variable potential for change in people though I personally see helping them as a task beyond my capacity.

Interzone / Re: Place for living
« on: January 12, 2013, 10:37:05 AM »

38 minutes well worth your time.

Metal / Re: Death metal is religious music in an atheist age
« on: January 11, 2013, 03:02:20 AM »
Death metal is non-moral realism
I think there is some moral/normative (or romantic, whatever) component to even death metal

I agree. But really there's no hard and fast rule as these genres are like two sides of the same coin. You can even refer to black metal as a form of death metal and vice versa.

Like man and the abyss staring back at each other!

Interzone / Re: Nothing in music is superficial
« on: January 11, 2013, 02:56:12 AM »
It's not actually being primitive at all, it is a facade, an emulation of the primitive. The primitiveness is an aesthetic.

Not hugely relevant. Art is always one step removed from life.

I think serious exception should also be taken to your comment about Immortal, their first two albums are masterpieces.
Good albums don't make them any less of a ridiculous act. Immortal pretty much epitomizes metal as entertainment. I don't think I've ever seen them pretend to be serious in any way at all - which is fine.

Metal is like a mythology, and so it doesn't require a literal interpretation as the process is largely subconscious. Taken for what it is, you don't even consider whether it's serious or not because the music speaks for itself. So in this way perhaps even an obvious joke like Impaled Nazarene can hit on something 'serious'. The dream can influence reality without directly translating into existence.

Metal / Re: Solos
« on: January 03, 2013, 03:50:22 AM »
fallot:  I am sometimes prone to hasty overstatement!  I can't explain it, but I do maintain that I salute metal for de-emphasizing it, in general.  Come to think of it, how could I not love Trey Azagthoth's preposterous, over the top soloing!?  Do I contradict myself?  Very well then, I contradict myself.

It makes sense to me. Dissenting opinions are often what keeps a discussion going.

I think genres and styles evolve like divergent streams from a common origin. But that isn't to say the high point of one particular direction is altogether secure. The latest Demoncy album for example is perfect as it is and to incorporate guitar solos would be totally foreign. It takes off more in the direction of all post '93 black metal; namely, post-Transylvanian Hunger black metal.

That extreme minimalism is easy for newer bands to create, but extremely difficult to master as it requires simplification of advanced techniques and compositional skills, not just playing a certain style because it's easy. With a few exceptions I think this is where most of the newer bands failed.

Of course there are some traditional metal solos that sound like a million random notes going nowhere. But that isn't where the potential is. Understanding the essential melodic/harmonic idea is the basis of true improvisation.

Metal / Re: Black Metal with Death Metal vocals
« on: January 03, 2013, 02:59:28 AM »
I would consider vocals an important compositional element that are no more or less relevant than the function of other instruments within the composition. It really comes down to what the spirit of the composition requires.

Mastery of composition, using the form to convey that spirit, is probably the one universal thing that makes an album great. By that reasoning, you will find all great works have a unique voice and a vocal style all of their own.

The vocals on early Burzum, for example, are in perfect compliment of the written material, production aesthetic and above all underlying spirit of the work. To have Craig Pillard re-record the vocal track would surely sound interesting, but would probably miss that spirit.

In my opinion, Burzum - From the depths of Darkness also missed the spirit as did that early compilation of Darkthrone covers.
I might also add Eliahu Inbal conducting anything by Bruckner.

Interzone / Re: Your contemporary heroes
« on: December 25, 2012, 11:46:16 PM »
This criterion might also include the inability to alienate well intentioned thoughts. Or it could be any living non-parasitic person. Perhaps even a beautiful wife?

Interzone / Re: Musical Hallucinations
« on: December 25, 2012, 11:33:46 PM »
Personally, I never had any of this stuff.

My mind is solid as fuck.

‘But each to their own’.

Interzone / Re: Drug use in ancient civilizations
« on: December 25, 2012, 11:29:46 PM »
You will find most established religions and philosophical teachings will encourage abstinence, even after finding exception. Anyway, what is your research paper going to prove if you're too lazy to do the research? Perhaps the topic hardly even interests you in the end and you should consider re-working the question.

Perhaps do a paper describing the difference between the ancient and modern usage of drugs. Were ancient cultures predominantly escapist in their pursuits? Where drugs used as a one-off means to an end, or an end in themselves?

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