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I often ponder over this myself. But I still think the future of metal isn't a question of innovation vs tradition (or non-innovation?). Both directions have the potential to either succeed or fail. But what matters is function. As when a person speaks to another person: do they really have something to say? and do they mean it?

Looking at a band like Beherit, their legacy will go beyond such definitions, as they don't look forward or back, their music is ultra-simplistic and yet it moves worlds. Necessity is at the core of function.

Metal / Re: Subjective vs objective? Contradiction?
« on: July 13, 2012, 04:10:22 PM »
I can see what you mean but I'm also going in another direction in that I only seek out and enjoy music of the highest level. There simply isn't any room in my life for anything less and even then, there's a ton of high quality material I still don't have time to listen to. Even within the highest echelons there is infinite diversity.

Metal / Kraftwerk and Franz Schubert
« on: July 01, 2012, 02:20:53 PM »
I have often wondered what is behind the title of the concluding track from Kraftwerk's timeless classic Trans Europa Express. Was it that they borrowed one of Schubert’s melodies or were paying homage to his style, perhaps, though it wasn't overt and I'm inclined to believe everything in Kraftwerk has a reason. More likely I have found that they choose to align themselves with this composer much in the way that they choose to label themselves as Robots or Showroom Dummies. That is to say that they correctly identified a large amount of their art as sharing in the same essential qualities that exemplify Schubert's body of work.

Namely simplicity, not necessarily minimalism but the ability to build their music out of solid fundamental elements no matter how grand in scope it sets out to be. Thus they recognize their music as a language of ideals in the abstract and use no more of it than is necessary to communicate to the listener, lest it becomes ambiguous.

Looking at Schubert's symphonies, they were renowned for their simplicity in a time where the orchestra was rapidly expanding (following the innovations set out by Beethoven) yet he chose to work within the tried and tested forms established by Mozart. Even his most developed symphonies seem to flow so naturally and in such an uncomplicated manner, showing little hesitation of artistic inspiration. Likewise Kraftwerk have developed a profound sense of simplicity in their compositional language despite the vast potentials inherent in all the equipment they use.

To that end, both have a natural propensity for creating a rather joyous, lyrical type of melody and phrasing it with the most spontaneous sense of expression imaginable. The type of melodies that might just spring to mind while wandering through an open field or mountain range. This is coupled with a remarkable economy of compositional devices, resulting in the ability to build various themes of great contrast out of a few basic melodic variations. And on that note I find this quote most appropriate:

"If we can convey an idea with one or two notes, it is better than to play a hundred or so notes" - Ralf Hütter

Not least, both artists share a driving sense of the poetic. Schubert of course excelled primarily in the domain of the German art song or lied, writing almost 600 pieces of flawless musical poetry. But Kraftwerk's interests also lie in having some bearing on the domains of speech and poetry despite the fact that a lot of their music stands alone as purely instrumental, really it is a fusion of using the voice as an instrument and writing melodies that appear to speak, much like the perfect lied.

Above all of this there is a remarkable sense of positivism underlying the approach to their conceptual material. Both seem fixated on contemporary subjects and exalt the beauty to be found in the simplicity of everyday life or rather the essential elements of it as opposed to the often dysfunctional and over-complicated life that we might associate with criticism for the modern world. I find this particularly evident in the case of Kraftwerk with their simple, almost ironic lyrics about the humanity/technology duality and their unerring optimism for the future.

Metal / Ildjarn-Nidhogg - Hardangervidda
« on: June 27, 2012, 06:32:04 AM »
It's been almost a decade now since this was released and I'm curious to hear some opinions as I think it's a very worthy album that rarely gets a mention. But for pure ambient synth music evolving out of the second wave of black metal, I would view this almost as a definitive statement, epitomizing the isolated, naturalistic aspect of the genre distilled from its fury.


Metal / Re: I hate nerds
« on: June 10, 2012, 03:11:01 AM »
Look, all I really want is to make my forearms look bigger.

Metal / Re: Autechre
« on: June 10, 2012, 03:05:14 AM »
Funnily enough, I recently sold a bunch of cds including some Autechre cds to a local cd recyclers and the guys had to ask "what's wrong dude, don't you like autechre anymore?". I said I'd grown out of it, but I think what I really meant was that they're okey and have a few great tracks amidst a sea of flotsam. But on the whole they're just another warp records product; quirky, nerdy, cerebral, smug and pointless. With AFX you don't really need to go past his first couple of eps (all can be found on the 'classics' cd) and selected ambient works II, it is the opposite of what his music later became; ego-driven.

Interzone / Listen up all you primitive screwheads
« on: June 03, 2012, 02:20:38 AM »
On the one hand it's 2013, or so it would seem, and the world is getting more and more off track.

On the other hand I get glimpses of a beauty to be found in the earth that seems to transcend (the) time (of this world).

On the one hand it's good to be natural and spontaneous, and strive to achieve results within a timeframe, lest it becomes too late.

On the other hand one should take the time to make a result last forever.

Interzone / Re: Post-Modernism
« on: May 31, 2012, 03:05:28 AM »
He's a smart guy that paints a very vivid picture of reality, but it is not the only picture. He also seems to have an underlying cynical/pessimistic worldview and is preoccupied with suicide from a long way back but he's a interesting case nonetheless.

Has anyone read 'Infinite Jest' and is it worth looking into?

Metal / Re: Biases and music appreciation
« on: May 31, 2012, 03:03:52 AM »
What do you mean 'biased' in what music you listen to.

It is simply what we like and gravitate towards as Moringotto illustrates. Other examples might be the prejudices inherent in listeners of 19th century music to modernism or classical to jazz, which some might argue is narrow-minded and could negate any potential enjoyment from the onset. But in the end it gets to the point where being 'open-minded' or unbiased is a bias in itself, and people might fail to see that either appoach is not without some benefits.

Everyone is 'biased' in so much as the sort of music they like refelcts their place in the world, not some 'right choice'.

That's agreeable enough but it kind of affirms an argument for the subject value of music.

Metal / Biases and music appreciation
« on: May 28, 2012, 03:57:23 AM »
To what extent are you biased in what music you decide to enjoy and furthermore what you even decide to listen to at all. Myself I don't see a problem with it so long as one admits that that is what it is. In terms of recommendations I must say I probably would be open to something that most members here praise and wouldn't bother with something they condemn (or any further Burzum albums regardless) but during the listening process itself I am usually trying to keep my mind free from external or pre-conceived ideas, and just go with whether or not it conjures those deep feelings that first set me on this journey.

In my earlier days I was certainly more naive towards deciding what to listen to, which in a world of populist rabble is not good as I tended to collect a bit of everything, but it makes me glad to think that even back then not just everything was truly enjoyed.

Metal / Re: New BEHERIT release?
« on: May 18, 2012, 01:37:58 AM »
I just received this earlier today and it's pretty good. Celebrate the Dead sounds a bit goofy but Demon Advance is probably better than the album version. Essentially this is ambient music blueprints played out on metal intruments.

Yes this seems like a big money spinner as there's nothing wrong with the original production. I also much prefer Facta Loquuntor for some reason.

Also what are your opinions on Maniac Butcher?

Metal / Buying CDs
« on: May 03, 2012, 02:18:59 PM »
Do you feel somewhat obliged to buy an original copy if you enjoy the preliminary cdr of leaked files enough? I generally do, even if I think the music is of primary importance, it is more a matter of screening for quality in an age of decline for metal music. Is that the same as believing you owe the artist money for it?

Metal / Re: Best death metal
« on: May 03, 2012, 02:01:24 PM »
Carcass Symphonies of Sickness !!!

That was a definite favourite of mine back in the school days, otherwise I find grindcore boring as all hell and I get ample amount of it in swedish death metal anyway.

Metal / Re: The question is
« on: May 03, 2012, 01:55:00 PM »
Definitely, there are a lot of very talented people here and I'm sure they would succeed one day. Perhaps there are past members here that already have.

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