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Metal / Re: Revisiting Soulside Journey
« on: November 18, 2011, 09:16:55 AM »
I'm not too familiar with later Morpheus Descends but I sometimes get a vague sense of Incantation in the 'doom' sound of the riffs, and definitely a lot of Autopsy in the way the riffs fit together to build a structure. I think this kind of cyclical/deconstructive structure they worked in is really what makes Soulside Journey and it should probably be studied inside out in terms of finding where the potential growth in metal lies.

I like Ceremonium's No Longer Silent but it's doesn't seem too close to Soulside Journey, aside from the Darkthrone cover, it has too much of a euro influence whereas Darkthrone were more influenced by american bands . Haven't heard Into the Autumn Shade but will have to check it out.

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Metal / Revisiting Soulside Journey
« on: November 10, 2011, 03:50:33 AM »
Whenever I come back to the first Darkthrone I'm struck by what a truly awesome and somewhat underappreciated gem it is. And I can't help but think what it might have led to if the band didn't disown it and release a spate of genre re-defining albums in its wake.

What is unique/cool about it:

- It's not overly structural like most death metal before it, allowing for some interesting compositional choices.
- It carries the dark emotionality of nascent black metal within the twisted, cerebral process of death metal.
- It breathes well i.e. it's consistent throughout yet with contrast. A precursor to the epic.
- Contains possibly some of the best Darkthrone lyrics.

Questions:

Is there anything that comes close to this?
How might Goatlord have turned out if the band didn't jump the tracks with A blaze in the northern sky?
Was the album purely a product of its time period made by insightful musicians or the seeds of some great potential than never eventuated.

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Metal / Re: Beherit
« on: November 04, 2011, 02:20:28 AM »
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I wonder if anyone else feels that DDtM excelled in technique and content (and the integration of both), but suffered from a badly composed general flow.
Me. Composition is the most important part of the music and if you don't excel at it you lose. For example - Mayhem - DMDS. It is a great album, has great riffs but it lacks composition and that is the main reason why I don't listen often to it(once in 4-5 months). The same goes for DDTM.

Engram(and Electric Doom Synthesis ofc) is much simpler but kicks ass just because of the composition.

Engram has an advanced sense of album rather than song composition (which is a step in the right direction for BM), but is arguably lacking in thunder compared to DDtM.

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Metal / Re: Summoning - Depressive as hell
« on: November 04, 2011, 01:54:34 AM »
It is possible for music to evoke multiple emotional states simultaneously and this certainly applies to Summoning. I think their albums became more epic over time and the highpoints got even higher, but with fewer on each album i.e. the last three albums could have been consolidated into one brilliant album.

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Interzone / Re: Any news about new Kraftwerk?
« on: November 03, 2011, 11:49:00 AM »
At its best, I find their music extremely enduring in that it mirrors the continuum of life from the smallest elements to a much larger process i.e. the theme on each album being a metaphore of the process. With perfectly rounded compositional structures that convey this process as a vessel for eternal truths. As musicians they have made this their primary concern and are therefore immune to the immediate or transient energy of youth (unlike even the best of metal) which is about the best reason I can think of for the longevity of their output. I have confidence in any new material they release.




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Interzone / Any news about new Kraftwerk?
« on: October 28, 2011, 07:12:00 AM »
Florian Schneider, one of the founding members left in 2008, then there was supposedly new material in the pipeline for 2010. I must say there is probably no other group I look forward to more as pretty much everything they've ever made has been genius, and with years of thought behind it. How they manage to keep a level head a not loose the vision after all these years is astounding. If only metal could be this mature.

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Metal / Re: Deicide like bands
« on: October 24, 2011, 04:54:12 AM »
Slayer is the father. Profanatica is the step-brother.

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Metal / Re: Burzum - From the Depths of Darkness
« on: October 22, 2011, 12:55:54 AM »
I knew this would happen. Most don't expect much and a few idiots will kid themselves into thinking it's better than the original, while curiousity alone is what makes it sell.

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Metal / Re: Understanding Metal Composition
« on: October 22, 2011, 12:42:39 AM »
The good/evil duality has to some extent been addressed by a band such as Burzum, transitioning his work from traditional christian descriptions to an altogether different axis (indo-european paganism). I think this is about as far as metal has come thematically but even on Filosofem (his final important work) there's still an inverse duality or tendency to want to describe the process itself.

I think our true evolution lies in getting over the christian (anti-christian) worldview which has never been more meaningless as it has today and utilizing the wealth of symbols and concepts in pre-christian europe and other cultures around the world, much of which would be more suitable for artistic exploration.

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Interzone / Re: Chastity, virginity, honor and pride in decision-making
« on: October 16, 2011, 03:40:10 AM »
Not everything needs quantifiable proof, and this is one such domain. It's more of an ideal or virtue that guides the behaviour and at the same time get beyond yourself as the the highest value (not applicable to neo-autists). I personally think with true dedication and a bit of insight into compatibility there will never be the need to part. Sometimes things honestly don't work out, and that's fine, but the thinking is still lightyears away from the casual sex attitudes which evolved out of the hippy era.

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Interzone / Re: Man up
« on: October 09, 2011, 10:32:01 AM »
Basically get a grip and stop masturbating. Most people here have the potential to do something but no motivation or discipline to actualize it, why is that?

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Metal / Re: Classical Movies
« on: October 01, 2011, 08:43:35 PM »
I recently saw the film Coco Chanel & Igor Stravinsky which was relatively weak on the whole, though it did give an interesting depiction of the disastrous premiere of The Rite of Spring. I think it would be hard to find a film/document that tries to convey a sense of the music itself, rather than the ego-drama of the musician.

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Metal / Re: MIDNIGHT ODYSSEY new album
« on: September 30, 2011, 12:17:22 PM »
I've listened to this a few times now and I honestly think it's not as solid as Firmament. It uses the same technique but that technique isn't used to carry the composition, rather it's at the forefront. The album doesn't develop as well from each piece but sounds like a collection  of similar material and in that, two hours is a bit of a stretch. Also varioius aspects of the instrumentation are more pronounced but without sufficient cause i.e. the drumming, vocal. so it's even farther away from the idea metal without drums.

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Metal / Re: Finding new classical music
« on: September 11, 2011, 12:05:36 PM »
I recently listened to Wilhelm Furtwängler conducting his own 2nd Symphony with the VPO in 1953. I was curious as he is probably my favourite interpreter of Bruckner. And though his own music follows vaguely in the style of Bruckner, it is nowhere near as accomplished. It seems like there are many great ideas here but no room for them to breath, and in the end it's sort of overdeveloped and unclear. While at the same time Bruckner is both more complex and subtle. Anyway it would have been interesting if he was able to have a few more tries at writing a symphony. Is anyone else familiar with Furtwängler's own compositions and what is your opinion?

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Metal / Re: Movies
« on: September 11, 2011, 11:20:22 AM »
Most of the films mentioned here are accidental works of art at the most. Unless the director has a vision and exerts fascistic control over his crew in order to achieve it, the film is usually pointless. Sometimes it takes many films for the director express his vision coherently (i.e. Bergman, Kurosawa).

All movies are shallow entertainment. Have I not made that clear, also in this thread? I don't even believe it's possible to make a movie that's truly art, the medium and industry around it simply don't allow it. There's obviously a big difference between four dudes recording an album aimed to sell about 1000 copies and a movie with a billion dollar budget. Comparing the "art" of movies to the art of metal is ludicrous, you can't expect a movie to be better than Hvis Lyset Tar Oss or Pure Holocaust.

So movies are just entertainment, big deal. If you want to tell us that you abstain from all forms of entertainment then please go ahead, it would entertain me.

I have no problems with people who say they liked a movie, just as I have no problems with somebody who tells a good joke. But people who treat movies like they are more than just entertainment... now that's when I start feeling very skeptical.


Maybe I'm on the wrong track but if metal is so far beyond entertainment, why think of cheap entertaining films that (kind of) capture the spirit of metal? Art is a means of communicating profound ideals, music or image is the medium so by that reasoning I don't see why a film couldn't be better anyway, it comes down to the art itself. Personally I think the epic films like RAN (Akira Kurosawa) or Andrei Rublev (Andrei Tarkovsky) communicate on a deep level which the metal listener could appreciate. Also the films of Ingmar Bergman (Persona, Hour of the wolf, The seventh seal, Through a glass darkly) are worthy of seeking out.


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