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Interzone / Re: Lack of audience kills quality art
« on: January 11, 2012, 12:26:13 PM »
Interesting question. Supposing someone today wrote music that wholly resembled Bach or any of the great masters in form and spirit, would it cease to have meaning based on the inability of moderns to comprehend it? Or does audience popularity not apply to immortal music?

Interzone / Re: Another way technology wreaks your life
« on: January 11, 2012, 11:59:26 AM »
This is true. In my case I have to restrict myself to maybe 1-2 hours every second day otherwise it takes over and totally derails the body-clock.

Metal / Re: NEXT metal
« on: January 09, 2012, 05:13:14 PM »
I think that need to change might be one of the things that kills a genre

If you can identify a genre as a means to an end, then it doesn't matter if it dies, especially if the end that is achieved is vastly superior, which in this case I think it would be. Given the already existing dammage done to black metal I'd say it's got nothing to lose. The spirit of speed metal and death metal has always lived in black metal, so why couldn't a non black metal musician be influenced in the same way?

... and certainly when that need to change is early and imagined.  They always end up changing the wrong thing, and it eventually even becomes a rational explanation for selling out.  Look at the trash bands that sold out.  They all explain it by saying they were in a corner and it was time to change.  So then they change to pop music.

I think it's not a true need, and you usually see that "evolution" is not the correct word for what they end up doing.  They look at metal history in the 80s and see Slayer transform from early speed metal into Reign in Blood and then assume it's the game to keep pushing it, when really they were just trying to get to a certain point and not trying to constantly play a game of who is heaviest, which is a trap a lot of important metal bands fell in after that album came out.

True, but isn't it possible that the change is occuring naturally and eventually for the better? Besides I'm thinking more Dol Guldur or Electric Doom Synthesis than Anthems to the Welkin at Dusk.

Metal / Re: NEXT metal
« on: January 08, 2012, 11:45:12 AM »
The question of whether metal should jump ship or go back to its roots is somewhat oversimplified in my opinion. But I think genre-evolution (including composition and instrumentation) is inevitable; moreso genre is merely a vehicle for ideas, it changes when the vehicle is depleted of energy and/or when it can no longer accomodate the expansion of ideas. And yes ideas need to expand, not that metal ever required an era-specific voice, as its outlook is mostly romanticist, realist i.e. eternal truths. But the interpretation of outlook must to some extent acknowledge the changing times.

Metal / Re: Understanding Metal Composition
« on: January 06, 2012, 09:33:42 PM »
I've noticed in some of the best metal songs and albums, that the conclusion does not imply a feeling of finality, but a feeling of perpetuity. 

Transcendence of ego (perspective of the listener)?

I think the final piece from Holst's The Planets has this quality.

Metal / Re: Lost inheritances
« on: January 06, 2012, 09:27:30 PM »
Soulside Journey gets my vote in terms of the most enduring (twisted yet logical) song structures.

Hvis lyset tar oss is also unrivalled. Filosofem has been done with little success.

Godflesh - Streetcleaner, much to be learned here in terms of ambient metal.

Metal / Re: Bruckner Discussion
« on: January 06, 2012, 09:12:51 PM »
The previous post pretty much sums it all up with Bruckner.

But I'll say here what I've said before about Bruckner; since all this is the case, why not go straight to the source and listen to his sacred organ and vocal music, which shows his two artistic strengths, contrapuntal mastery and a profound understanding of religion and its associated musical history, in full force?

I recently got a cd with his Te Deum and would recommend this as an introduction to anyone interested in exploring his sacred works. Written around the time of his 6th and 7th symphonies, it showcases his understanding of the early religious music within the time period of his most accomplished orchestral writing.

I'm also waiting on a purely organ rendition of his 8th symphony, might be interesting.

Metal / Re: Metal without drums
« on: January 06, 2012, 01:36:44 PM »
To the originator of this topic, I would say, unless you yourself are planning on making a metal album where drums are not used, then just put this entire idea on the shelf for the moment.  What I have learned from all the metal coming out in the last few years is that there is nothing wrong with the instrumentation or even styles of playing in metal, but rather that no one had anything interesting to say with it.  No one had any spirit in their music or inspiration.  It was just a massive game of stupid cross-overs.  For a while, because of these defects, I believed maybe a new genre of metal needed to to be created or a new way of making metal.

But then with all the better albums that have come out lately, I now know that the people who are making great music right now are just doing the same old things great metal bands always did, in instrumentation, playing styles and even lyrical imagery.  The missing component was spirit and quality and not origininality.  Substance before form, as is the popular saying around here.  These thoughts that I am relating are not original and you are probably seeing a lot of this kind of talk lately.

I more or less agree. And I didn't want the suggestion to sound like an artificially imposed idea on something that has evolved naturally, rather it's an already existing direction that should be more thoroughly understood and explored by upcoming musicians. Pure Holocaust certainly occured to me as well as Transylvanian Hunger and a fair amount of examples exist in early Burzum works also.

Metal / Re: The return of True Metal
« on: January 06, 2012, 01:02:46 PM »
The beauty of bands like bathory (Ildjarn, Profanatica and the like) is that it strips away almost ANY surface technique in favour of unleashing the raw, honest crux of the idea, there can be no mistaking whether it is true metal or not.

Metal / Re: Summoning make stand against fascism
« on: January 04, 2012, 12:32:54 AM »
Either would be awesome. It's about time now and a lot of bands are well overdue to release new material so it should be a great year.

Interzone / Re: The inversion diet
« on: January 04, 2012, 12:11:11 AM »
I only eat pure vegetaryan food and generally try to view diet as sacred. Weighing up calorie/protein/vitamin/whatever intake in some sort of mathematical equation seems to take away a lot of the basic appreciation.

Metal / Metal without drums
« on: December 30, 2011, 01:35:07 PM »
It is certainly an interesting concept that metal with its increased understanding and use of ambient structure could in time propel itself solely by the use of melody/counterpoint/harmony. As I see it, the main advantage of doing away with continuous drumming would be that you remove the idea of melody developing within such strict rhythmic containers, thus giving it more freedom while also requiring that greater attention be put into the initial design. i.e. melody would have to carry its own rhythmic tension and devices to achieve that would have to be utilized. It would also be possible to vary tempo within a melodic phrase, and perhaps even the art of percussion could be sparingly utilized when necessary.

Metal / Re: Best metal releases of 2011
« on: December 30, 2011, 01:26:35 PM »
Do any of you psychos even remember the top tier albums from five years ago?

Metal / Re: Song Structure in Metal
« on: December 18, 2011, 12:29:59 AM »
I think stucture depends on there being the appropriate building blocks i.e. you need good riffs to begin with that build into that structure. Great post.

Interzone / Re: What creeps me out about Christians
« on: December 18, 2011, 12:14:40 AM »
I've met some ultra-conservative Christians that are great people i.e. clean-living, dedicated, knowledgeable etc. One guy even understood that the world was in a state of decay and identified multiculturalism as a 'big mistake'. But when you hear them describing how they know there's a god that loves them it just sounds insane, and yet without that unquestionable faith would they uphold such a healthy life?

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