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Metal / Re: Reclaiming (or Replacing) Metal
« on: May 30, 2011, 05:43:39 AM »
The crowd thinks art = image. There is much trolling potential here.

The image is immaterial, thus it should be used as a deterrent.

Cut out the vocals, cut out the drumming, and cut out everything not contained in the music.

To anyone not paying attention, metal is to come across as thoroughly boring.

Aren't these opposing views?

Art will always manifest its inherent image, but I think an exterior image to deter parasites would actually work contrary to its intended purpose. Metals primary vulnerability was the easily exploitable image, so it should remove itself altogether from this axis. The ideas and emotions communicated through music will speak for itself.

Metal / Re: Reclaiming (or Replacing) Metal
« on: May 28, 2011, 04:23:10 AM »
I'm not suggesting we pretend to be Nazis, but I am suggesting that we need to display more extremity if we're to be recognised as extreme (and, really, the only way we're going to "reclaim" Metal is by being frigging extreme about it).  A lot of this is post-production; we first need suitably good/extreme music, and then we need to present it in a way which says "this is for us, not for you".

Hessians should adopt aspects of the Blasphemy ethos: powerlifting and barbarism. Take back metal by force and rule by fear.

In a time where everything is image-based, it's probably better to ignore image and concentrate on the music and its formative philosophy otherwise the message is too easily lost in extremism. Clean cut and well dressed should be ample for image.

Interzone / Re: Good Ambient/Electronic Music
« on: May 25, 2011, 10:35:58 AM »
Tangerine Dream - peaked with phaedra/rubycon then began to decline.

Klaus Schulze - peaked with timewind, moondawn is good but also the beginning of the decline. Irrlicht and cyborg are ambient/drone.

Neptune Towers - KS worship however more jaggered, noisy and abstract. Doesn't build momentum quite as well.

Ash Ra Tempel - Neuzeit der erde (a good companion to the above artists A-/B+).

Kraftwerk - trans europa express, computerwelt and tour de france soundtracks all are A+ however never struck me as typically ambient

Lord Wind - Heralds of Fight is on par with Atlantean monument

When - Death in the blue lake pt1/ The black death

The Moon Lay Hidden Beneath a Cloud - like an expanded version of Ildjarn in a way; short songs form a succession of textures within the album (?B+)

Ildjarn/Nidhogg - Hardangervidda is godly. Essentially an inverse blueprint of Richard Strauss's great tone poem Eine Alpensinfonie

Beherit - A+ for ideas and ambition

Mortal Constraint - Legend of deformation  (dark immersive structures in an electo-industrial style)

Metal / Re: Reclaiming (or Replacing) Metal
« on: May 25, 2011, 09:32:35 AM »
It's all about tradition the way I see it.  No sexy answers.  Just tradition.

Could you elaborate?

Well first of all, this is what Fenriz says in Until the Light Takes Us - Darkthrone was created to uphold tradition.  The paradigm of the Norwegians was not to "out-do" the sweatpants wearing Floridian Death Metal at their own game, it was to go BACK to the 80s, back to first principles.  It's one-upsmanship through "regress."  As brilliant as the No Mosh, No Core, No Fun mantra of the Norwegians was, I think it's time metal rediscovered some of its "loudmouth redneck" again.  I remember a commenter/hipster in the blog say something to the effect of: "Infernal Warriors of Death???  how crude/garish!  why I never!!" (it helps to imagine it in an effeminate or English accent). See, Norwegian Black Metal became too refined.  And I believe in the Tao Te Ching it says: "When you sharpen a blade for too long it becomes dull."  I think, for metal, anyway, the bigger risk is becoming too refined, not too "rough around the edges."

I certainly like projects like Lord Wind, but there's no reason for metal to totally jump ship and become ambient.  If an aesthetic/appearance has worn out it's welcome, what makes us think that abandoning it will help us "find the spirit?"  Appearance is not reality, but it also does not imply a lack of reality or an "opposite" reality.  In other words, people rightfully conclude that just because something has the metal aesthetic does not make it metal, but then some of those people think "see..we're too reliant on aesthetic, we need to abandon the aesthetic altogether."  Evolution happens SLOWLY

Think about the recent story of Cosmic Atrophy.  That album is a few hours of work away from being complete.  I guess I shouldn't jump to conclusions, but one wonders if shame is involved on some level.  I read an interview with Antti Boman yesterday, and he said he regrets abandoning metal for 5 years from 94-99.  You see this happen all the time.  A person loves something, then is ashamed of it, then is ashamed that they were ever ashamed of it.  It's the Eternal Recurrence.  You have to say Yes to EVERYTHING.

Metal should not "out-think the room."  Regrets and second guessing are not metal.  I think that if Norway challenged Florida, then that means that America still owes Europe one.  Is the next "challenge" of metal for America to find it's rough-around-the-edges loudmouths?

This is to say metal lacks that youthful energy of the past. The real question is how can it retain that energy while becoming more serious and long-standing than 1-3 albums then sellout. I would like to see a new music whereby the musicians are more like composers, getting better and even more profound with age. As far as the timespan between evolutionary steps is concerned; there shouldn't be one. It evolves when necessary or otherwise becomes irrelevant.

Metal / Re: Reclaiming (or Replacing) Metal
« on: May 23, 2011, 02:33:58 PM »
Replace the genre but keep the metal spirit.

Metal / Re: punk versus metal
« on: May 23, 2011, 02:18:00 PM »
I can't listen to much punk, it's just way too 1-dimensional however I recognise the strong influence (via hardcore/thrash) in some of the best metal. Alcohol/THC ties in with the image thing and is pretty irrelevant IMO.

Metal / Re: Favourite metal poetry
« on: May 20, 2011, 02:41:05 AM »
Well to clarify, I mean the function of vocals generally can't be removed. It is interdependant with every other aspect of the composition.

This ultimately depends on the composition in question. There are plenty of death metal songs that would still work without vocals (the ones where vocal phrasing doesn't determine riff structure absolutely), and much of the best black metal is in the form of either succinct, instrumental "poems," or 7+ minute pieces where 60-70% of the composition is already instrumental. Plenty of composers over the centuries have rearranged and transcribed pieces for entirely different instrument sets, moods, etc. without damaging the intent of the music; in fact, if we were to decompose a piece of music into a small handful of effects, we would see that, in some cases, a transcription increases the potency of one effect while decreasing another, occasionally for the better. It depends on the purpose of the change in arrangement, so some are detrimental, while others have their place.

I try to view composition in a holistic sense where lyrics, poems, artwork etc are all included.

Sure, but stating that lyrics are separable from musical content is no different from stating that aesthetically pleasing wall adornments, no matter how thematically complementary they are to the function of a building, are separable from that building's support structures; you can remove good lyrics and replace them with really stupid ones without affecting the support structures of the music. Furthermore, you don't even need wall adornments or lyrics in the first place; emotion can be conveyed vocally without the aid of symbolic language.

I can see your point but surely lyrics are more than just aesthetic. In a holistic view the lyrics wouldn't be seen out of context of the vocal style.

If something is a failure in one respect, that doesn't prevent us from taking a granular approach to the thing as a whole. Granularity may seem antithetical to holism on some level, but it isn't if you use it as a tool for building a new whole out of the parts of other wholes.

This is like "don't judge a book by its cover" vs "a good book should be well represented by an appropriate cover". I have to use both approaches when appreciating Darkthrone's Goatlord, it's core ideas are brilliant but with some developmental flaws; the vocals and lyrics are mostly inconsistent with the rest of the material.

Metal / Re: Norsk Arisk Classical
« on: May 20, 2011, 01:33:06 AM »
I've always admired this composer for bringing warmth and tradition to his modernist style, though I find like Grieg his music is rather small scale when compared to the weight of the great German romantics. Hundrad Hardingtonar is probably my faviourite of his works especially the fifth suite (troll tunes:)

Metal / Re: Where the growth is
« on: May 20, 2011, 01:13:53 AM »
Folk could be useful in order to loosen up the instrumentation and technique, making the music more organic again. Isengard is a good example this, though it's equal parts DOOM and trash as it is folk. Really I'm more in favour of expanding metal structure to become closer to neo-classical/ambient than folk.

Metal / Re: Favourite metal poetry
« on: May 14, 2011, 01:36:24 AM »
Lyrics/vocals cannot be seperated from the rest of the composition and this generally follows through both conceptually and musically.
Vocals can be separated from the rest of the composition just as easily as any other instrument can - which is to say, entirely.

Well to clarify, I mean the function of vocals generally can't be removed. It is interdependant with every other aspect of the composition.

Lyrics on the other hand are simply not composition at all. They are words. They are not music.

To some extent the vocals depend on the shape/sound/projection of the word, so in that way the lyrics do effect the sound of the composition. But moreso the themes should be congruent i.e. you couldn't swap pantera lyrics with morbid angel and expect it to fit the music.

I try to view composition in a holistic sense where lyrics, poems, artwork etc are all included.

Interzone / Re: They breed... like rats
« on: May 10, 2011, 05:39:07 AM »

In many cases, it is the female securing maternity in order to set the financial and legal grounds for her own future security.

Worst case: their kid is a bi-product of DNA wanting to replicate itself. The more inferior the organism the more offspring it will produce. If only there was some way to make people realise how worthless they are.

Metal / Re: a timeline
« on: May 10, 2011, 05:15:06 AM »
I found Fenriz's black metal timeline on the double DVD version of Until the light takes us quite interesting, but a bit too sentimental/aesthetic as oppose to quality based (like this). He understands the first wave pretty well but looses it when discussing the second wave. Even putting Satyricon down as one of the founding second wave bands of the Norwegian scene, anything after that is described as MYRIADS. He gives the impression of being stuck in a generation rather than praising and searching for art that transcends time. Also I wonder if he's even heard stuff like Ildjarn, Beherit or Graveland.

Metal / Re: Metal and Early music
« on: May 06, 2011, 11:09:22 AM »
Early music -> Classical Music

Metal music -> ???

only 1% of metal is trying to figure that out these days.

Interzone / Re: The most subtle of child abuse
« on: May 06, 2011, 10:56:21 AM »
We see this as abusive behaviour because the values and lifestyles which are needed to operate in society are generally totally antithetical to having a truly healthy outlook on life.

To be healthy in an unhealthy society you have to reject it to some extent, but also know this from ones own experiences. So raising a child in isolation from mainstream society would invariably cause dysfunction. Best thing is to expose the child to healthy alternatives to the norm without being overtly dissenting. Better yet, only geniuses should have a child.

Interzone / Re: osama bin laden, dead.
« on: May 03, 2011, 03:41:00 AM »
He was a good man, I can sense the kindness in his eyes.

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