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Metal / Re: Metal music theory
« on: January 08, 2011, 02:58:43 PM »
Interesting project and it would be great if this ever came to fruition. One thing I wonder about though is how bands came to use this theory, I mean do they consciously know what chord they're using or is it largely subconscious i.e. they transcribe the melody they're thinking of into a riff.

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Metal / Re: Godflesh revisited
« on: January 07, 2011, 04:33:05 AM »
Streetcleaner is easily his most effective album, it pretty much summerized the ideas of grindcore in a composition that was ambient/industrial in structure. Nothing has come close to this either from Godflesh or anyone else, the s/t is ok but nothing special.

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Metal / Re: In metal: Nailing down compositional form and structure
« on: January 07, 2011, 04:15:19 AM »


I thought of this thread when I saw this graph made by Klaus Schulze to depict the progression of one of his pieces. Hopefully the scan isn't too blurry, it shows what instrument and roughly what sequence comes in at what point, how it changes and interplays etc. note that it's only a basic guide and leaves a lot of room for improvisation around a few central ideas.

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Interzone / Re: A little thought experiment for y'all.
« on: January 06, 2011, 03:07:51 AM »
I would like to be either a slaze or worker so that I could get fit doing manual labour while enjoying the great outdoors and I can hum melodies while I work.

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When an artist looses the vision it's more psychological burnout than physical, not that the two are totally unrelated, but I'm also wondeing why we would consider metal or any other profound art overtly masculine in the first place, more likely it's a balance of energy.

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Metal / Re: Revelation: I like later Graveland
« on: December 28, 2010, 10:30:24 AM »
I lost track of Graveland after Immortal Pride, which didn't grab me at all. but I might give it another chance.

any recommendations for entry into later era Graveland?

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Interzone / Re: New Year's Resolutions
« on: December 27, 2010, 02:50:46 AM »
I'm going to get a diary so I can organise my days more effectively and so that I concentrate on important stuff like drawing pictures, trying to compose music or go for a walk. The internet is so easy to get side-tracked and waste heaps of time, hopefully I can avoid this next year.

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Interzone / Re: The problem with dissident art
« on: December 24, 2010, 05:57:42 AM »
Changing society from within is mostly impossible: the instincts of the average person force society to be a bit domesticated and lowest-common-denominator.

Societal drop-out makes sense to preserve one's sanity.  When you find that you owe others nothing, and they have nothing to offer you except misery, then it's the best option one has.

Modern day hermits are often the most altruistic people at heart, they either practice this from a distance or have been forced into isolation to avoid becoming a psychopath. Individualism on the other hand means you go with the flow, don't care, because consuming the earth's resources makes you feel comfortable (most people incl most metalheads).

You can still affect your world without having to be a revolutionary as ultimately a real or worthwhile statement of the eternal is unsurpassed in its potential to effect others in a positive way. The key is to work within your resources to achieve that. i.e. highly acedemic and worldly = politics. creative = music/art (which hopefully both geniuses and decent people both can appreciate i.e. kraftwerk).

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Metal / Re: YOUR metal timeline
« on: December 23, 2010, 04:25:25 PM »
1986 fantasia
1998 (general mainstream radio metal)
2000 emperor, deicide
2001 darkthrone, mayhem, immortal

     (started reading dark legions archive reviews)

2002 burzum, kraftwerk, wagner

     (started playing keyboard and go for long walks in nature)
     
2003 neptune towers
2004 klaus schulze, tangerine dream, beherit
2005 biosphere, techno/trance
2006 industrial/EBM
2007 got internet and started exploring all history of metal and other obscure music

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Metal / Re: Trophic levels in metal?
« on: December 19, 2010, 01:29:19 AM »
Actually that's quite an effective way of describing it. The best metal definately uses this energy (encoded in melody/rhythm) to build up and collapse in stucture, good non-wallpaper type ambient does this to. And I think the process can also apply to an album as a whole.

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Metal / Re: In metal: Nailing down compositional form and structure
« on: December 05, 2010, 01:26:46 AM »
I tend to think even the best metal compositions were less concerned with following theoretical rules than they were with building the right song structure. I've heard many great musicians say they had no formal training, but it's not too hard to know what note goes with what if they're naturally creative. I also think too much (or partial) knowledge of music theory can detract from the creative energy i.e. later Immortal, Emperor and probably countless other 'matured' bands.

I like the idea of making a diagram or graph to explore how the song structure would build up, ebb/flow etc the only thing is it would automatically assign a time-scale to the composition which could limit it.

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Interzone / Re: Good Ambient/Electronic Music
« on: December 03, 2010, 12:07:56 PM »
He means to say they're not really ambient. Well, Ildjarn is but not obviously so. It's a type of ambient whereby song-fragments form the constituant parts of a greater whole (the album). Incantation like all death metal is way too dynamic and tangential to be able to be called ambient, I think the production lends to the cavernous/atmospheric feel but the music structure itself isn't.

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Interzone / Re: Good popular music
« on: December 01, 2010, 02:36:28 AM »
Elecronic dance/rave music is almost the antithesis of metal in that while metal seeks to become immortalised, rave is all about the flavour of the week, while it embraces modern culture and acknoledges the irony of how disposable it is.

Both of these approaches leave plenty of space for abuse.

I don't see that, if something actually succeeds in transcending it's own time period then it is better/healthy than something which cannot, the mentality behind rave music actually prevents it from even trying.

it produced trinkets of worthwhile music predominately in the trance genre which as opposed to house/techno is actually based around melody

That is the worst characteristic of trance. More than in any of the electronic genres (with the exception of their ultra-dumb incarnations) trance generally displays an affinity for cheesy simpletonal melodies and retarded quasi-psychedelic effects entertaining only the most undemanding of brains. One can immediately know the degenerate face expression of the author reflecting in the overall pulse, as opposed to the dis-grimacing effect of Kraftwerk. I'm not saying the other genres are much better though, but especially psy-trance is to be dismissed completely.

I was more thinking of early prototypical psy i.e. acid or goa-trance which tries to build momentum and release over the span of a song, and likewise in songs over the span of the album. This is the main strength of trance compared to the other genres: it's knowledge of ambience, then it goes for the full emotional release. It's still basically simpleton music as is all rave music, but it's more enjoyable if you don't expect too much 'meaning'.

(essentially Trance Europe Express era Kraftwerk > EBM > fused with techno became trance.)

A better guess would be: simple adding of an unnecessary bass dumb at the shamelessly proletarian bpm to a track by Schulze's degenerate nephew.

Kraftwerk I'd take anyday over trance that goes without saying, they created pop music that was more serious and longstanding than 80% of metal. EBM is a striped down version of their technique adapted to a dystopian worldview, but it's still pretty cool.

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Interzone / Re: Good popular music
« on: November 30, 2010, 01:26:31 PM »
Elecronic dance/rave music is almost the antithesis of metal in that while metal seeks to become immortalised, rave is all about the flavour of the week, while it embraces modern culture and acknoledges the irony of how disposable it is. In saying that, it produced trinkets of worthwhile music predominately in the trance genre which as opposed to house/techno is actually based around melody and is naturally predisposed to ambience (essentially Trance Europe Express era Kraftwerk > EBM > fused with techno became trance.)

I read that Fenriz also loved this stuff.

Recommended:

Cosmosis - Cosmology
Dimension 5 - Transdimentional
Hallucinogen - Twisted
MFG - the prophesy
Indoor - Progressive trance
any other old stuff by Etnica, Total Eclipse or Transwave


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Metal / Re: Classical is non-ambient in structure
« on: November 29, 2010, 10:33:28 AM »
classical music works on a prismatic structure, while dub/ambient is a primitive version of the same based in layers, not motifs.

Good way of putting it. This is a concise form of what I've always felt: the ambient structure conveys something akin to a blueprint of patterns found in nature, the classical/prismatic stucture is a human's interpretation in the mode of emotions. The thing is ambience has only more recently been explored in modern music, which is partly why it lacks the complexities found in the classical which was studied for centuries.

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