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Interzone / Re: Good popular music
« on: November 30, 2010, 01:26:31 PM »
Elecronic dance/rave music is almost the antithesis of metal in that while metal seeks to become immortalised, rave is all about the flavour of the week, while it embraces modern culture and acknoledges the irony of how disposable it is. In saying that, it produced trinkets of worthwhile music predominately in the trance genre which as opposed to house/techno is actually based around melody and is naturally predisposed to ambience (essentially Trance Europe Express era Kraftwerk > EBM > fused with techno became trance.)

I read that Fenriz also loved this stuff.


Cosmosis - Cosmology
Dimension 5 - Transdimentional
Hallucinogen - Twisted
MFG - the prophesy
Indoor - Progressive trance
any other old stuff by Etnica, Total Eclipse or Transwave

Metal / Re: Classical is non-ambient in structure
« on: November 29, 2010, 10:33:28 AM »
classical music works on a prismatic structure, while dub/ambient is a primitive version of the same based in layers, not motifs.

Good way of putting it. This is a concise form of what I've always felt: the ambient structure conveys something akin to a blueprint of patterns found in nature, the classical/prismatic stucture is a human's interpretation in the mode of emotions. The thing is ambience has only more recently been explored in modern music, which is partly why it lacks the complexities found in the classical which was studied for centuries.

It sucks living in an area where the double dvd version won't be released, I only recently managed to get a copy of the original and can't wait to see more so hopefully some copies will get circulated around before too long.

A few minor gripes: it would have been good to interview ihsahn of emperor, matallion of slayer zine and erik hundvin who produced most of these bands rather than frost, garm and some alternative type post-modern artist. also the "black metal satanica" section in the extras works to the film's detriment given the vast audience base, unless they just chucked that in to show how much the genre has degenerated as a whole.

Interzone / Re: Ambient
« on: November 25, 2010, 01:24:40 AM »
In case you don't know them already, the closest thing to DCD would have to be The Moon Lay Hidden Beneath A Cloud, if you like that check out Der Blutharsch.

Metal / Classical is non-ambient in structure
« on: November 24, 2010, 03:16:08 PM »
Ambient structure is more about building energy out of a consistent/repetitious sequence of patterns, if done correctly I can feel the cycles of life, the seasons, the moon and a variable chaos oscillating throughout existence itself. It's has a meditative quality and it triggers an ancient part of the mind. for a clinical example: suuri shamaani

Classical is based in melody/harmony/rhythm and shapes emotion out of a mastery of these elements. Not to say it wouldn't have used ambience where necessary, but I tend to think pure ambient is a more modern invention which appeals to the mind more than the heart.

Interestingly metal has kind of gone in both directions. The recent article about composing metal without drumming is fascinating as it would eventually bring it closer to classical where melody rules over rhythm.

Metal / Re: Metal in thirty years time
« on: November 18, 2010, 09:22:14 AM »
Punk for example - I can say it's dead in that whilst there are still plenty of bands, the genre itself has no purpose in the current world.

Irrelevance is an astute diagnosis. Metal however wins by sticking with eternal truths or constants that cannot fall out of scope even if the trends of a given era do so. Same thing happened to speed metal when the visible threat of antagonistic nuclear superpowers diminished.

A good point, and it's for that reason that I don't think it would suffer the same fate as punk or speed metal. A few people have hinted that it's a contemporary style and instrumentation acting as a conduit for eternal truths, which is agreeable. I can certainly feel the spirit of black metal in nature, even in other forms of art but nothing really captures it to the same extent.

At one stage it seemed natural that the ideas present in quality metal would become more and more enamored in ambient structure, but now I find it lacks the same dynamic fire and spontaneity which created the best works in metal. Plus you have sun O, xasthur etc etc cloud the situation by producing a wealth of easily forgettable works in that genre.

I guess to be more direct we could discuss what albums are particularly notable for their potential to be expanded upon: Filosofem, Streetcleaner and the electronic works of Beherit come to mind as brilliant yet somewhat incomplete ideas.

Metal / Metal in thirty years time
« on: November 17, 2010, 11:40:38 AM »
I'm not decided on whether metal is totally dead or just currently stagnating. Punk for example - I can say it's dead in that whilst there are still plenty of bands, the genre itself has no purpose in the current world. Where the best of metal differs fundamentally is that it aims to create art that is eternal. So I'm interested not only in will it pick up again but in what way, assuming metal has been around roughly thirty years now with one genre evolving into the next and black metal/death metal peaking in the early 90s, what will it look like in another thirty years?

Metal / Re: What metal makes you "raise your sword"?
« on: November 17, 2010, 11:28:45 AM »
CELTIC FROST because their early works are so powerful and contain a microcosm of ideas that would reconnect future bands with something ancient.

Metal / Re: Guitar tone in metal
« on: November 16, 2010, 04:08:30 AM »
The production on Dark Medieval Times was obviously aiming to emulate/codify the fuzzy texture common on most norse black metal of the time, but it didn't enhance the musicality behind it as even that was predominantly aesthetic based. Krieg used a very interesting technique on destruction ritual which made the guitar fuzz sound dense, like a stone smoothed over by years of violent weather, the drumming actually sits on top of that.

Metal / Re: Long Hair in metal.
« on: November 16, 2010, 03:45:04 AM »
Long hair in metal represents patience and an introverted perspective. Even the way metalheads mosh is so delicate, punk is more forthright, more 'real' but lacks depth. Mohawks and EBM style haircut is ok but appeals to antisocial/borderline types as does piercings/tattoos imo.

Metal / Some thoughts on tempo
« on: November 14, 2010, 05:18:11 AM »
Slow tempo can be very poweful in terms of letting melody evolve and progress throughout the composition however it is an appoach which will fail if the musician cannot understand how to build/phrase melody.

Good examples of the effective use of slow tempo would be godflesh, summoning, klaus schulze, assorted doom metal.

A bad example is perfectly illustrated in brian eno's 'music for aiports'. Melody doesn't evolve and the composition goes nowhere for long periods of time. He designed it that way and it's best use was to help prove this point.

Consistant medium to high speed tempo helps build intensity while reducing rhythm to the purpose of ambience, melodies become more repetitive and need to be immaculate in design i.e. jesu död, trans europe express, most of 'under a funeral moon' and 'transylvanian hunger'.

Using variations in rhythm to support the composition's progression. 'A blaze in the northern sky' comes to mind, my guess is it inherited this from death metal, but it's well paced. Constant time changes found all too often in death metal also lead nowhere.

Metal / Re: WTF Album & Music Video Moments
« on: November 12, 2010, 08:22:09 AM »
Immortal grasped the morbid aesthetics of early black metal better than most but were unable/uninterested in refining it, either that or it was part joke. Bands today concentrate too much on refining the aesthetic to the point where it exceed the content itself.

Metal / Re: Guitar tone in metal
« on: November 06, 2010, 01:33:54 AM »
The best use of guitar tone is that which supports the material being played, same goes for the other instruments. The fuzzy, grainy, airy tone acheived on filosofem was perfect as it accentuates melody in a semi-ambient framework, whereas if this production was used on pure holocaust/battles in the north era immortal, it would fail to capture the precision necessary. I agree that demoncy - joined in darkness has an interesting tone, it emphasises ambience whilst the material itself lends heavily to death/grindcore stylings, but somehow it works.

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