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Interzone / Re: The problem with dissident art
« on: December 24, 2010, 05:57:42 AM »
Changing society from within is mostly impossible: the instincts of the average person force society to be a bit domesticated and lowest-common-denominator.

Societal drop-out makes sense to preserve one's sanity.  When you find that you owe others nothing, and they have nothing to offer you except misery, then it's the best option one has.

Modern day hermits are often the most altruistic people at heart, they either practice this from a distance or have been forced into isolation to avoid becoming a psychopath. Individualism on the other hand means you go with the flow, don't care, because consuming the earth's resources makes you feel comfortable (most people incl most metalheads).

You can still affect your world without having to be a revolutionary as ultimately a real or worthwhile statement of the eternal is unsurpassed in its potential to effect others in a positive way. The key is to work within your resources to achieve that. i.e. highly acedemic and worldly = politics. creative = music/art (which hopefully both geniuses and decent people both can appreciate i.e. kraftwerk).

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Metal / Re: YOUR metal timeline
« on: December 23, 2010, 04:25:25 PM »
1986 fantasia
1998 (general mainstream radio metal)
2000 emperor, deicide
2001 darkthrone, mayhem, immortal

     (started reading dark legions archive reviews)

2002 burzum, kraftwerk, wagner

     (started playing keyboard and go for long walks in nature)
     
2003 neptune towers
2004 klaus schulze, tangerine dream, beherit
2005 biosphere, techno/trance
2006 industrial/EBM
2007 got internet and started exploring all history of metal and other obscure music

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Metal / Re: Trophic levels in metal?
« on: December 19, 2010, 01:29:19 AM »
Actually that's quite an effective way of describing it. The best metal definately uses this energy (encoded in melody/rhythm) to build up and collapse in stucture, good non-wallpaper type ambient does this to. And I think the process can also apply to an album as a whole.

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Metal / Re: In metal: Nailing down compositional form and structure
« on: December 05, 2010, 01:26:46 AM »
I tend to think even the best metal compositions were less concerned with following theoretical rules than they were with building the right song structure. I've heard many great musicians say they had no formal training, but it's not too hard to know what note goes with what if they're naturally creative. I also think too much (or partial) knowledge of music theory can detract from the creative energy i.e. later Immortal, Emperor and probably countless other 'matured' bands.

I like the idea of making a diagram or graph to explore how the song structure would build up, ebb/flow etc the only thing is it would automatically assign a time-scale to the composition which could limit it.

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Interzone / Re: Good Ambient/Electronic Music
« on: December 03, 2010, 12:07:56 PM »
He means to say they're not really ambient. Well, Ildjarn is but not obviously so. It's a type of ambient whereby song-fragments form the constituant parts of a greater whole (the album). Incantation like all death metal is way too dynamic and tangential to be able to be called ambient, I think the production lends to the cavernous/atmospheric feel but the music structure itself isn't.

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Interzone / Re: Good popular music
« on: December 01, 2010, 02:36:28 AM »
Elecronic dance/rave music is almost the antithesis of metal in that while metal seeks to become immortalised, rave is all about the flavour of the week, while it embraces modern culture and acknoledges the irony of how disposable it is.

Both of these approaches leave plenty of space for abuse.

I don't see that, if something actually succeeds in transcending it's own time period then it is better/healthy than something which cannot, the mentality behind rave music actually prevents it from even trying.

it produced trinkets of worthwhile music predominately in the trance genre which as opposed to house/techno is actually based around melody

That is the worst characteristic of trance. More than in any of the electronic genres (with the exception of their ultra-dumb incarnations) trance generally displays an affinity for cheesy simpletonal melodies and retarded quasi-psychedelic effects entertaining only the most undemanding of brains. One can immediately know the degenerate face expression of the author reflecting in the overall pulse, as opposed to the dis-grimacing effect of Kraftwerk. I'm not saying the other genres are much better though, but especially psy-trance is to be dismissed completely.

I was more thinking of early prototypical psy i.e. acid or goa-trance which tries to build momentum and release over the span of a song, and likewise in songs over the span of the album. This is the main strength of trance compared to the other genres: it's knowledge of ambience, then it goes for the full emotional release. It's still basically simpleton music as is all rave music, but it's more enjoyable if you don't expect too much 'meaning'.

(essentially Trance Europe Express era Kraftwerk > EBM > fused with techno became trance.)

A better guess would be: simple adding of an unnecessary bass dumb at the shamelessly proletarian bpm to a track by Schulze's degenerate nephew.

Kraftwerk I'd take anyday over trance that goes without saying, they created pop music that was more serious and longstanding than 80% of metal. EBM is a striped down version of their technique adapted to a dystopian worldview, but it's still pretty cool.

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Interzone / Re: Good popular music
« on: November 30, 2010, 01:26:31 PM »
Elecronic dance/rave music is almost the antithesis of metal in that while metal seeks to become immortalised, rave is all about the flavour of the week, while it embraces modern culture and acknoledges the irony of how disposable it is. In saying that, it produced trinkets of worthwhile music predominately in the trance genre which as opposed to house/techno is actually based around melody and is naturally predisposed to ambience (essentially Trance Europe Express era Kraftwerk > EBM > fused with techno became trance.)

I read that Fenriz also loved this stuff.

Recommended:

Cosmosis - Cosmology
Dimension 5 - Transdimentional
Hallucinogen - Twisted
MFG - the prophesy
Indoor - Progressive trance
any other old stuff by Etnica, Total Eclipse or Transwave


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Metal / Re: Classical is non-ambient in structure
« on: November 29, 2010, 10:33:28 AM »
classical music works on a prismatic structure, while dub/ambient is a primitive version of the same based in layers, not motifs.

Good way of putting it. This is a concise form of what I've always felt: the ambient structure conveys something akin to a blueprint of patterns found in nature, the classical/prismatic stucture is a human's interpretation in the mode of emotions. The thing is ambience has only more recently been explored in modern music, which is partly why it lacks the complexities found in the classical which was studied for centuries.

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It sucks living in an area where the double dvd version won't be released, I only recently managed to get a copy of the original and can't wait to see more so hopefully some copies will get circulated around before too long.

A few minor gripes: it would have been good to interview ihsahn of emperor, matallion of slayer zine and erik hundvin who produced most of these bands rather than frost, garm and some alternative type post-modern artist. also the "black metal satanica" section in the extras works to the film's detriment given the vast audience base, unless they just chucked that in to show how much the genre has degenerated as a whole.

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Interzone / Re: Ambient
« on: November 25, 2010, 01:24:40 AM »
In case you don't know them already, the closest thing to DCD would have to be The Moon Lay Hidden Beneath A Cloud, if you like that check out Der Blutharsch.

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Metal / Classical is non-ambient in structure
« on: November 24, 2010, 03:16:08 PM »
Ambient structure is more about building energy out of a consistent/repetitious sequence of patterns, if done correctly I can feel the cycles of life, the seasons, the moon and a variable chaos oscillating throughout existence itself. It's has a meditative quality and it triggers an ancient part of the mind. for a clinical example: suuri shamaani

Classical is based in melody/harmony/rhythm and shapes emotion out of a mastery of these elements. Not to say it wouldn't have used ambience where necessary, but I tend to think pure ambient is a more modern invention which appeals to the mind more than the heart.

Interestingly metal has kind of gone in both directions. The recent article about composing metal without drumming is fascinating as it would eventually bring it closer to classical where melody rules over rhythm.

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Metal / Re: Metal in thirty years time
« on: November 18, 2010, 09:22:14 AM »
Punk for example - I can say it's dead in that whilst there are still plenty of bands, the genre itself has no purpose in the current world.

Irrelevance is an astute diagnosis. Metal however wins by sticking with eternal truths or constants that cannot fall out of scope even if the trends of a given era do so. Same thing happened to speed metal when the visible threat of antagonistic nuclear superpowers diminished.

A good point, and it's for that reason that I don't think it would suffer the same fate as punk or speed metal. A few people have hinted that it's a contemporary style and instrumentation acting as a conduit for eternal truths, which is agreeable. I can certainly feel the spirit of black metal in nature, even in other forms of art but nothing really captures it to the same extent.

At one stage it seemed natural that the ideas present in quality metal would become more and more enamored in ambient structure, but now I find it lacks the same dynamic fire and spontaneity which created the best works in metal. Plus you have sun O, xasthur etc etc cloud the situation by producing a wealth of easily forgettable works in that genre.

I guess to be more direct we could discuss what albums are particularly notable for their potential to be expanded upon: Filosofem, Streetcleaner and the electronic works of Beherit come to mind as brilliant yet somewhat incomplete ideas.

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Metal / Metal in thirty years time
« on: November 17, 2010, 11:40:38 AM »
I'm not decided on whether metal is totally dead or just currently stagnating. Punk for example - I can say it's dead in that whilst there are still plenty of bands, the genre itself has no purpose in the current world. Where the best of metal differs fundamentally is that it aims to create art that is eternal. So I'm interested not only in will it pick up again but in what way, assuming metal has been around roughly thirty years now with one genre evolving into the next and black metal/death metal peaking in the early 90s, what will it look like in another thirty years?

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Metal / Re: What metal makes you "raise your sword"?
« on: November 17, 2010, 11:28:45 AM »
CELTIC FROST because their early works are so powerful and contain a microcosm of ideas that would reconnect future bands with something ancient.

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Metal / Re: Guitar tone in metal
« on: November 16, 2010, 04:08:30 AM »
The production on Dark Medieval Times was obviously aiming to emulate/codify the fuzzy texture common on most norse black metal of the time, but it didn't enhance the musicality behind it as even that was predominantly aesthetic based. Krieg used a very interesting technique on destruction ritual which made the guitar fuzz sound dense, like a stone smoothed over by years of violent weather, the drumming actually sits on top of that.

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