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Metal / Re: Why is Music so Unique and Essential?
« on: January 22, 2007, 08:37:57 PM »
Music has been such an important part of many peoples lives.  I, for one thank goodness that music was "invented"(metal being the prime blessing, of course).  I don't even want to imagine how empty my life would've been without music.  Many of you guys might feel the same.  But there are also many people out there who don't care at all about music

So I ask you guys to really imagine this when I ask you this question:

What do you think the world would be like NOW, had music NEVER, EVER been concieved?

Metal / Re: Why is Music so Unique and Essential?
« on: January 22, 2007, 06:38:45 PM »
Think about it dude.  As an example, now we hear a person with a very good singing voice and just simply think "Wow, she/he has a very good voice" but back in the ages, they heard it and felt that there was some mystical force behind the singing.  Christians, for example, in the past believed(maybe some still do today) that music is language of the Angels.  Music probably was the basic foundations of some cultures.  So for building a civilisation, YES music, just ART in general, is very, very important. Whether music is important in terms of need as a species and its relationship with nature, many believe not.

Experiance is what really gives you answers you seek so I'll just suggest that you listen to the voice of someone like a female opera singer, not even that just the hot chick from Evanesence will do (I suggest, very arbitrarily, the song Lithium) any singing displaying beauty instead of horror like the psychos we listen to.  I mean REALLY listen to it.  Close the eyes. Resist the urge to hate it and call it wussy and mediocre.  Forget the lyrics, and really let yourself feel the voice.  Breath it in.   If you genuinally feel something, like a tingle running through your spine leading to goosebumps, THAT is when you want to imagine what people in the past, when music had been new, must of thought and believed when they heard such things.

Metal / Re: Metal as revolutionary
« on: January 22, 2007, 05:53:49 PM »
Well, here's the thing.  The australian aborigines were not a civilisation before the brits came.  They were more a collection of many different tribes.  These people, along with similar non-civilisation humans (serengeti tribes, native americans) I consider to be one with nature.  They lived in harmony with nature and the many animals of nature.  They hunted only for food.  They pretty much lived by the 4 REAL NEEDS of life. 1. Seek food & water.  2. Seek shelter. 3. Breed & Birth. 4. Protection of your progeny. Now they also lived by Nature's "needs" (In terms of an eco-system) like they did not over-populate, they never robbed the eco-system from its resourses,  they never wiped out a species important to the eco-system, etc.  In other words, these people we're simple and no where near as complicated as the white people when they came who already INVENTED new unnecessary "needs", which were all really wants.

See what I'm getting at? Their nature was Nature's nature (Ha ha! that sounds dumb) and not what we consider "Human nature".  

Still, the whites considered them to be "savages" when it was the whites who were savage, barbaric, cruel and sadistic.  I mean, it wasn't like when the brits met Maouri warriors.  The Maouri people put up a VERY good fight.  The Australian Aborigines GOT SLAUGHTERED.  Very sad stuff.

Metal / Re: Metal: a different technicality
« on: January 22, 2007, 01:29:27 PM »
I imagine that there's just no more time anymore for musicans to write the music on paper.  Everything is dead-line in this day of age.  Plus, you know Metallers, there probably stoned or something while they're sitting down making songs together.  Who is goin to bother writing stuff down, or even try to learn how to write it down, when they're stoned.  

Metal / Re: Sacramentum
« on: January 22, 2007, 01:05:37 PM »
I KNOW, HUH?  It seems that people read a post, and then STOP reading when they see something that got to them, then thats it.  They quote it, and delete everything bar the sentence that got to them.  Then they argue or dwell on the irrelevant excerpt.  It's CRAZY!!!!!

Bloody hell, I've been trying download(ssshhhh) some Sacramentum with limewire without success.  I would love to purchase a CD but we have a relatively small Black Metal (and general extreme metal) scene in Australia.  IT SUCKS!!!!!  All I can find here is the BM bands you'd expect to find.  The same ones that you can download easily.


Metal / Re: Sacramentum
« on: January 22, 2007, 01:18:47 AM »
mmhm.. COF, no! bal-sagoth, no.. !

Yeah I know, I know.  I've read it all before how these are the "fallen ones" of BM.  Dimmu Burgers included.  I don't give a toss.

What do you like hakea?  I probably like it too.

Metal / Re: Sacramentum
« on: January 22, 2007, 12:54:44 AM »
Hmmmm.  Yeah.  These guys are pretty good.  I've never heard of them until I saw this post and I'm currently listening to "Far Away from the Sun" the track - Blood shall be spilled.  I liked Awaken Chaos from their newer album "The Coming of Chaos" (man, I think these guys really like chaos).

But dude, they do kind of sound like Dissection(the voice mainly- sounds a tad like Jon Mortveidt) with abit of a mix of Dark Funeral, Immortal, etc.  No one should dislike so-called "clone" bands.  If they sound like a band you like, what is the problem?

It's all good though. Thanks My Man Mahmoud for introducing me to this band.  They're pretty cool. I love ALL Black/Death Metal but I must say I have my preferences.  I'm more into the symphonic BM bands with the use of keyboards (COF, Dimmu Borgir, Limbonic Art(RIP), Sirius(MIA), Emperor(RIP), Tartaros(MIA), Bal Sagoth, and so on, and so on..........) while still loving the non-keyboard bands.

HAIL BLACK METAL and cheese.

Metal / Re: Bitchin' and moanin'
« on: January 21, 2007, 07:48:28 PM »
Nah dude, not like that boring, droning, monotonous sounding music of the sixties that just sends you to sleep.  What I mean is, let me give you an example:  have you heard the first track of The Haunted "Revolver" called No Compromise?  Well right in the beginning, the first little drum solo.  That's what I kind of mean, not EXACTLY, but thats the feel of what I mean of African tribal drumming but instead of just making it an opener for the song, have whole tracks with varieties of this kind of percussioning.

I really hope you like The Haunted otherwise you still won't understand.

Metal / Re: What would a metal society look like?
« on: January 21, 2007, 07:38:00 PM »
Yeah, born for banning summed up a metal society pretty much perfectly.  You just missed ONE THING:

- There would be laws on hair-styles.

Everyone would be required to have long hair or have totally shaved heads.  NO in-betweens.  Goaties would be optional unless you have a shaven head then U MUST have a goatie.  Anyone with flat-tops or other fashionable hairstyles will be instantly executed.

Ha ha ha!!! I'd be dead in a second.

Metal / Re: Bitchin' and moanin'
« on: January 21, 2007, 07:01:42 PM »
Crap! Your right. Sorry dude. Honestly I only read the first post.  

Um, how about mixing african tribal style of drumming with already existing elements of metal?

Have you heard that stuff?  It can be very compelling and I think it is possible to use that style of percussioning with additional synths and samples.  Maybe even with the awesome sound of guitar muting.

There's nothing wrong with fusing things to make an original composition.

Metal / Re: Metal as revolutionary
« on: January 21, 2007, 06:15:19 PM »
Dude. Hate Edge. It seems like you what you wrote came out of a text book.  Seems like, not is.  Even if it is, there is nothing wrong with that save this:  It complicates things when it is VERY SIMPLE.

First of all, egoism came from self-consciousness.  One begeting from the other.  Self-consciouness came shortly after consciousness itself AND here is where it gets very simple.  It ALL started when the first ape asked "WHY?". Not in words, of course but in a sense.  Remember, don't confuse "WHAT?" or "HUH?" with WHY? and THAT's the origin of consciousness itself.

Example? Try imagine being one of our ancient ancestors, basically apes.  Your using a tool(stick or piece of wood) to try to crack open a hard-shelled nut.  While your smashing it with your "tool", you accidently bang your finger.  Hard.  Very hard.  Now, the first thing most simple animals, and yes even your fellow apes, would do is react immediately with a yawp, or yelp, of pain, then have sensory acknowledgment of the pain, store the pain in sub-conscious memory consequently being able to avoid the same pain in the future.  It is just one big reaction, a very quick and simple kind of "what?" and "huh?". But not you.  You will become the FIRST one to recieve the pain and THEN cry about it.  You look at your finger, bleeding, throbbing and with some CONSCIOUS sense your asking yourself "WHY does it hurt? WHY!!!?????" The throbbing. The redness of blood capturing your eye sense.  The pain won't go, quicker than you want it to.  Then the main "WHY" comes: "WHY is this happening TO ME?"  Now, this where being conscious gained significance because not only have just raise significance on yourself, but more importantly, you'll DWELL in your experience as a significant event giving rise to other pathways of consciousness.  This is just one example, with pain.

 Do you guys understand what I'm trying to get at? Does it make sense to you?  Bit off the topic, but oh well.  Everyone else is doing it in these forums.


Metal / Re: Metal as revolutionary
« on: January 21, 2007, 02:40:43 PM »
Human beings were always predetermined to destroy itself.  NOT predestined, but predetermined.  You know what was human-kinds' downfall from the beginning?  The first moments that they developed consciousness and self-awareness.  That was our undoing from the start.  Sure, it was a great blessing(only for us), in the beginning.  But it also drew up the blueprints of our self-destruction.  

Metal DID have the potential to undo the mistakes of the past.  Like you said. A revolution.  BUT LIKE EVERY GOOD IDEA, GOOD PRINCIPLE IN HISTORY(ancient and modern) THAT WAS THOUGHT UP IT WAS COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY RUINED BY HUMAN NATURE( that's where it is counter-revolutionary).  That SAME, SAD two-sided story to everything where people act as a team, a mass, a whole but really only caring about themselves as individuals.  They develop a mass unity with lots of the same people who think the same, develop brotherhood, eliminating the feeling of uncertainty, insecurity, finding identity, being blinded by romantism, etc, however, deep down inside in their hearts, they are selfish.  Self-absorbed.  Self-indulging.  They do only what suits THEMSELVES and NOT what suits the world.

Termite society works.  Ant society works.  Bee society works you know why? Because there is NO consciousness behind the work they do.  It is just pure, primordial instinct that drives them to excel.  No thought, no emotion, no self-awareness and STILL they achieve great things as a society because they just DO.  NO thinking. NO feeling.  Just DO.  

If metal is to succeed, we NEED to start being like termites, ants and bees(I know that sounds funny, stupid even). It needs ALL its members to just relax, calm down, stop thinking about their own preferences, their own thoughts and likes, and/or dis-likes and start just devoting themselves to each other and the common cause.  BUT they WON'T.  WHY?  Human nature.  


Metal / Re: Bitchin' and moanin'
« on: January 21, 2007, 01:16:51 PM »
All human beings should be destroyed.  We should STOP bitchin' and moanin' and ACCEPT our destruction.   Accept what's coming to us and what we deserve.  Period.

Your right.  Metal,  society in general is becoming SO self-absorbed, SO fused together by its own nonsense, that it WILL finally collapse in on itself.  It's like a very heavy, massive star which starts to fuse IRON.  IT IS DEAD.  It will die painfully, will explode violently and its undead corpse will just destroy everything it comes close to.

But not ALL stars end so negatively.  I think Metal has the potential to go out in the way that our sun will EVENTUALLY go.  Become a GIANT.  Destroy some things as it grows and when it stops expanding, it'll just be locked in a state where it shrinks and grows, shrinks and grows.  Like a puffer fish that has gone crazy and CONSTANTLY inflates and deflates.

U kno' wha' I mean?    

Yeah.  U Kno' wha' I mean.

Do U?

Metal / Re: Is metal timeless?
« on: January 21, 2007, 12:43:59 PM »
Don't worry mayhem-to-carnage dude.  One day, that super volcano at Yellowstone national park, USA will go off and when it does, AND if the main caldera blows, we are ALL DEAD!!  That will be the best day of human existance.  The day that human beings are wiped FROM existance.  I can't wait!!!!!  Whoo hoo!!!!

Um, timeless?  That's abit, funny.  It definitely had a beginning. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....................................................................clue goo.

Metal / Re: What is art?
« on: January 21, 2007, 12:30:55 PM »
That's an interesting question. I'm an artist myself and I feel that ART is simply this:  Mind and heart being in total harmony with each other.  Agreement between the two. Becoming as one with each other.  I feel that true imagination, and the creation(music, paintings, sculptures,etc) is the result from this union of mind and heart.  Like the resulting incredible heat, brilliant light, energy that comes from a star from the simple fusion of hydrogen atoms and other atoms and stuff and things.

Thats all.  I could go deeper, but I can't be bothered.

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