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Metal / Re: Eucharist
« on: June 25, 2014, 07:21:57 PM »
I agree that "A Velvet Creation" is a great album.  Definitely carves out its own niche, and requires full attention to absorb.  I would say it's more  ivory-tower-type music than AtG.  It offers a distinct and beautiful imaginative vision, but it seems less applicable to real life, and seems a little  youthful and unexperienced.

Interesting point -- I would tend to agree. I think this stems from the fact that Eucharist are rooted more so in the more escapist viewpoint as espoused by classic heavy metal, than they are in the realism-meets-mythology of death metal.

Also, you are right about them being youthful and unexperienced. I believe all the members were around 16-17 at the time of the album's release; some of their songs were written at an even younger age.

Metal / Re: Eucharist
« on: June 25, 2014, 07:09:19 PM »
More refined? no, not really.
Once again the ambiguities of language are obfuscating what I am trying to say. The word refined can refer to "developed or improved so as to be precise or subtle", but the definition I was going for was "elegant and cultured in appearance, manner, or taste". Going by the latter definition, I would say Eucharist's aesthetic is much more refined than AtG by virtue of their ornate melodies and overall atmosphere of stateliness.

You're talking about impressions. I'm talking about composition.
Are not emotional/existential impressions the whole point of composition?

Structure and technique are only meaningful insofar as how they are put to use in communicating an experience, ideal, emotional revelation, etc. The form of a composition is subordinate to what it is trying to communicate.

No doubt there is a kind of 'mathematical' aspect to music appreciation, but if that's all you listen for, you're missing the forest for the trees.

Metal / Re: Eucharist
« on: June 25, 2014, 12:39:36 AM »
Perhaps my language was ambiguous. I am not claiming that A Velvet Creation is superior to TRitSiO -- the latter is clearly the more accomplished and more innovative work. I am simply pointing out that even though At the Gates' first album is regarded as a melodic death metal album, it has an entirely different approach to so-called "heavy metal death/black metal" bands like Sacramentum, Unanimated, Sentenced, and Eucharist.

TRitSiO has an almost unhinged quality that is reminiscent of moments of clarity and beauty amid the fractured psyche of a someone driven to madness by the modern world; in a word, manic. I find that I have to be in a particularly receptive mood to really appreciate this album.

Eucharist's debut filters melancholy emotions through a desire for something greater. It is more controlled and refined, which makes it a more palatable listen than AtG's debut. However, A Velvet Creation lacks the daring of its predecessor which ultimately consigns it to a lower echelon. Nonetheless I'd consider it a A- album that deserves more attention than it gets.

Metal / Re: Eucharist
« on: June 22, 2014, 01:44:29 PM »
As a side note, does anyone know why the name 'Eucharist' was chosen? I've read all the interviews I could find, but there is no mention of it.

Metal / Eucharist
« on: June 22, 2014, 01:42:20 PM »
While the DLA doesn't outright condemn this band, it seems it is excluded from the 'pantheon' of greats. And yet, I cannot get enough of their first album 'A Velvet Creation'. Most songs are well constructed and are centered around a main theme supported by meandering but relevant explorations. The handful of shaky arrangements are overcome by the expert ear for melody on display. This release was light-years ahead of its contemporaries, including In Flames, Dark Tranquility, even Unanimated. Why 'A Velvet Creation' never became a household name among melodic death aficionados is beyond me, but it probably had something to do with the muffled guitar tone and the unstable line-up. This unfortunately meant that Eucharist's above-mentioned less-than-stellar peers provided the template for future melodic metal, killing a nascent subgenre before it could ever reach maturation (some might consider TRitSiO the zenith of this style, and it was clearly enormously influential on it, but I would say that album is more closely aligned with traditional death metal due to the preponderance of non-diatonic riffing).

While Eucharist's debut is an essential part of the collection of anyone even remotely interested in melodic metal, their second outing 'Mirrorworlds' is an interesting listen but not much more than that.

You can download the band's discography off of their website in MP3 192kbps:

Interzone / Re: Cops rediscover cure for mental illness
« on: October 22, 2013, 12:27:56 PM »
So show me even one study. Just one finding. Just one is all I need to consider that you may be correct.
For antidepressants:

[TCAs and SSRIs] were compared against a placebo control group in the treatment of depression. The results showed that both TCAs and SSRIs were effective for depression.

This systematic review provides evidence for the efficacy of both SSRIs and TCAs in the treatment of chronic depression and showed a better acceptability of SSRIs.

Treatment with SSRIs is associated with symptomatic improvement in depression by the end of the first week of use, and the improvement continues at a decreasing rate for at least 6 weeks.

Trystero, on what do you base the claim that psychiatric medication 'zombifies'? As far as I know, it is a unscientific rumor perpetuated by pop culture (for example, the terrible movie 'Garden State').

Interzone / Re: Cops rediscover cure for mental illness
« on: October 20, 2013, 09:18:24 PM »
No casual link has ever been established.
Bullshit. "Pharmaceutical psychotropics" (eg psychiatric medication) encompasses many different classes of drugs--from mood stabilizers to anti-psychotics to stimulants--each of which containing dozens of  unique drugs. To make a blanket statement claiming that every single one of these drugs is ineffective is utterly absurd and smacks of an emotional reaction to an idea you don't like.

Interzone / Re: Cops rediscover cure for mental illness
« on: October 19, 2013, 12:45:18 PM »
Actually, the fact that there is no verifiable scientific test for depression makes it illegitimate.
Where are you getting your definition of legitimate disease from? A Scientology blog? I suppose you consider  autism and Parkinson's, diseases which also cannot be diagnosed via laboratory test, to be "all in the mind" as well?

Psychology is not a serious discipline.
This statement bespeaks your ignorance of the topic at hand. Psychology is a social science that deals with abstract theories about the structure and processes of the mind. Psychiatry, on the other hand, is a hard science practiced by physicians which emphasizes the biological/medical nature of mental illnesses.

 Popular opinion seems to ascribe a magical significance to the brain because it is the seat of consciousness and thus the source our personalities. But it is really no different than any other organ in the body. Just as certain genetic combinations might give rise to complications with the intestinal tract (Crohn's), so too can genetics lead to complications with the brain. The fact of the matter is, depression is a result of chemical/physical anomalies within a particular organ, just like any other disease. Trying to think your way out of a major depression is akin to trying to think your way out of a high after smoking meth: it's a physical impossibility.

No, I don't: you are the one making a positive assertion concerning the existence of a disease. As you have done nothing to show that the assertion is true, skepticism should be the default position of any thinking person.
Any assertion can become a positive assertion through rewording. For instance:

depression is not biological -> depression is environmental
anti-depressants are not safe -> anti-depressants are dangerous

Now about that evidence...

Metal / Re: Metal Archives.
« on: October 18, 2013, 10:18:54 PM »
Hey dude, I have to ask: Was your Illud Divinum Insanus review supposed to be satire?

Metal / Re: Metal Archives.
« on: October 14, 2013, 09:26:46 PM »
Good points, trystero. As a resource for factual information about metal bands, MA is great. Beyond that, it is a wasteland. Actual content in the reviews is substituted for ill-conceived similes about how an album 'sounds' (eg "THIS ALBUM SOUNDS LIKE A HOARD OF HOMOSEXUAL BUFFALOES FROM HELL SODOMIZING MY EVERY ORIFICE"). The forums follow suit with their genre pedantry, list threads, and wayward trolls.

Interzone / Re: Cops rediscover cure for mental illness
« on: October 14, 2013, 08:52:02 PM »
That article speaks of depression as a disease. What are the scientific and verifiable tests one can conduct to see if one has contracted this disease? Is there a blood test for depression?
Just because a condition can't be diagnosed via traditional methods such as blood testing does not make said condition any less legitimate. Mental disorders arise from oftentimes subtle aberrations in brain structure and chemistry for which there is no known test for. The best we have are the inferences made through psychiatric evaluation. However, brain MRIs of people with depression show a marked difference from those without it, lending credence to the hypothesis that depression's origins lie, at least in part, in biology.

That's what the translator says he wrote.
It is highly doubtful there is any error with the translation.

Regardless, jumping from a letter that describes his state at the time to asserting that he had a genetic disease that made him depressed is ludicrous.
One or two mentions of depression? Likely part of the normal mood cycle all humans go through. But as the number of instances increases, a pattern begins to emerge -- a pattern that is consistent with the symptoms of major depressive disorder.

Furthermore, Nietzsche had an image to maintain, especially in light of his writings on the overman. It is likely he sequestered his true emotional state in order to maintain this image. Thus it is not unreasonable to assume his depression was likely more severe than he let on.

The article also states directly that clinical depression is not heritable: "So no one simply “inherits” depression from their mother or father.  Each person inherits a unique combination of genes from their mother and father, and certain combinations can predispose to a particular illness."

That claim is much less certain than yours.
There is no single 'depression gene'. Scientists believe there are a multitude of genes whose interrelationships give rise to a proclivity towards depression. While environmental factor undoubtedly do play a role, one should not discount the 'nature' side of the equation.

In science, claims are assumed to be void until proven true. If you want to assert the existence of depression as a disease and that anti-depressants are safe, you need to back that up.
I hope you realize that cuts both ways. In any case, seeing as you were the first to make a claim on this subject, you can be the first to provide evidence.

It's like a Christian who says to atheists: "You can't prove God doesn't exist, so that means my belief is equally valid."
How are a Christians beliefs any less valid than an atheist's?

Interzone / Re: Cops rediscover cure for mental illness
« on: October 12, 2013, 01:13:24 AM »
Who thinks this?
Odd. I thought this community was generally aware that most things are, in fact, heritable. Anyway, the Stanford School of Medicine seems to agree with me.

This is your diagnosis of Nietzsche? First you'd need to prove that he was any of these things, then explain that this is caused by an already existing condition and not as a reaction to something else, such as being intelligent in an age of morons.
Here's a letter Nietzsche wrote to his mother, in which he asks for money to go on a journey so as to alleviate his 'extraordinary' feelings of depression. His letters have many allusions to his melancholy condition, particularly in the 1880s before his breakdown.

That's your claim and you have provided no proof.
Sorry, but the burden of proof is on you, as you made the original claim about psychiatric medication. Besides, my words are backed by thousands of MDs. As for yours... well, I'm sure those on the 'holistic' side of medicine would support you.

Interzone / Re: Recommend me a good discman
« on: October 12, 2013, 12:50:18 AM »
I'm assuming those Sansas' storage is expanded through micro SD cards. A word of advice: don't just buy the cheapest micro SD card you can find off of eBay or something, even if it's supposedly a name brand. If the card is super cheap (like less than a dollar), it's probably a Chinese knockoff that will give you compatibility issues or possibly fry your device. Just spend the extra $10 or whatever to purchase it new.

Metal / Re: bitterman reviews on Metal Archives
« on: October 12, 2013, 12:36:36 AM »
If only they knew bitterman like we do. He isn't trolling -- he just really, really, hates crappy metal!

I just wish he would put more effort into making his reviews more original. The use of the same tropes over and over (wiggers, focus groups, muzak, etc.) seems kind of lazy. His knack for description combined with humor make up for it, though.

One of his funnier moments:
Quote from: bitterman's Fate review
With all the kids nowadays "popping the mollys" and having the sex with the "strap ons" with each other after this albums release, it's safe to say Fate's success at making a parody of death metal will only serve as a eulogy to the failure that man has made out of civilization.

Metal / Re: bitterman reviews on Metal Archives
« on: October 10, 2013, 10:28:17 PM »
This is a gold mine!

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