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Interzone / Re: Cops rediscover cure for mental illness
« on: October 22, 2013, 07:27:56 PM »
So show me even one study. Just one finding. Just one is all I need to consider that you may be correct.
For antidepressants:

[TCAs and SSRIs] were compared against a placebo control group in the treatment of depression. The results showed that both TCAs and SSRIs were effective for depression.

This systematic review provides evidence for the efficacy of both SSRIs and TCAs in the treatment of chronic depression and showed a better acceptability of SSRIs.

Treatment with SSRIs is associated with symptomatic improvement in depression by the end of the first week of use, and the improvement continues at a decreasing rate for at least 6 weeks.

Trystero, on what do you base the claim that psychiatric medication 'zombifies'? As far as I know, it is a unscientific rumor perpetuated by pop culture (for example, the terrible movie 'Garden State').

Interzone / Re: Cops rediscover cure for mental illness
« on: October 21, 2013, 04:18:24 AM »
No casual link has ever been established.
Bullshit. "Pharmaceutical psychotropics" (eg psychiatric medication) encompasses many different classes of drugs--from mood stabilizers to anti-psychotics to stimulants--each of which containing dozens of  unique drugs. To make a blanket statement claiming that every single one of these drugs is ineffective is utterly absurd and smacks of an emotional reaction to an idea you don't like.

Interzone / Re: Cops rediscover cure for mental illness
« on: October 19, 2013, 07:45:18 PM »
Actually, the fact that there is no verifiable scientific test for depression makes it illegitimate.
Where are you getting your definition of legitimate disease from? A Scientology blog? I suppose you consider  autism and Parkinson's, diseases which also cannot be diagnosed via laboratory test, to be "all in the mind" as well?

Psychology is not a serious discipline.
This statement bespeaks your ignorance of the topic at hand. Psychology is a social science that deals with abstract theories about the structure and processes of the mind. Psychiatry, on the other hand, is a hard science practiced by physicians which emphasizes the biological/medical nature of mental illnesses.

 Popular opinion seems to ascribe a magical significance to the brain because it is the seat of consciousness and thus the source our personalities. But it is really no different than any other organ in the body. Just as certain genetic combinations might give rise to complications with the intestinal tract (Crohn's), so too can genetics lead to complications with the brain. The fact of the matter is, depression is a result of chemical/physical anomalies within a particular organ, just like any other disease. Trying to think your way out of a major depression is akin to trying to think your way out of a high after smoking meth: it's a physical impossibility.

No, I don't: you are the one making a positive assertion concerning the existence of a disease. As you have done nothing to show that the assertion is true, skepticism should be the default position of any thinking person.
Any assertion can become a positive assertion through rewording. For instance:

depression is not biological -> depression is environmental
anti-depressants are not safe -> anti-depressants are dangerous

Now about that evidence...

Metal / Re: Metal Archives.
« on: October 19, 2013, 05:18:54 AM »
Hey dude, I have to ask: Was your Illud Divinum Insanus review supposed to be satire?

Metal / Re: Metal Archives.
« on: October 15, 2013, 04:26:46 AM »
Good points, trystero. As a resource for factual information about metal bands, MA is great. Beyond that, it is a wasteland. Actual content in the reviews is substituted for ill-conceived similes about how an album 'sounds' (eg "THIS ALBUM SOUNDS LIKE A HOARD OF HOMOSEXUAL BUFFALOES FROM HELL SODOMIZING MY EVERY ORIFICE"). The forums follow suit with their genre pedantry, list threads, and wayward trolls.

Interzone / Re: Cops rediscover cure for mental illness
« on: October 15, 2013, 03:52:02 AM »
That article speaks of depression as a disease. What are the scientific and verifiable tests one can conduct to see if one has contracted this disease? Is there a blood test for depression?
Just because a condition can't be diagnosed via traditional methods such as blood testing does not make said condition any less legitimate. Mental disorders arise from oftentimes subtle aberrations in brain structure and chemistry for which there is no known test for. The best we have are the inferences made through psychiatric evaluation. However, brain MRIs of people with depression show a marked difference from those without it, lending credence to the hypothesis that depression's origins lie, at least in part, in biology.

That's what the translator says he wrote.
It is highly doubtful there is any error with the translation.

Regardless, jumping from a letter that describes his state at the time to asserting that he had a genetic disease that made him depressed is ludicrous.
One or two mentions of depression? Likely part of the normal mood cycle all humans go through. But as the number of instances increases, a pattern begins to emerge -- a pattern that is consistent with the symptoms of major depressive disorder.

Furthermore, Nietzsche had an image to maintain, especially in light of his writings on the overman. It is likely he sequestered his true emotional state in order to maintain this image. Thus it is not unreasonable to assume his depression was likely more severe than he let on.

The article also states directly that clinical depression is not heritable: "So no one simply “inherits” depression from their mother or father.  Each person inherits a unique combination of genes from their mother and father, and certain combinations can predispose to a particular illness."

That claim is much less certain than yours.
There is no single 'depression gene'. Scientists believe there are a multitude of genes whose interrelationships give rise to a proclivity towards depression. While environmental factor undoubtedly do play a role, one should not discount the 'nature' side of the equation.

In science, claims are assumed to be void until proven true. If you want to assert the existence of depression as a disease and that anti-depressants are safe, you need to back that up.
I hope you realize that cuts both ways. In any case, seeing as you were the first to make a claim on this subject, you can be the first to provide evidence.

It's like a Christian who says to atheists: "You can't prove God doesn't exist, so that means my belief is equally valid."
How are a Christians beliefs any less valid than an atheist's?

Interzone / Re: Cops rediscover cure for mental illness
« on: October 12, 2013, 08:13:24 AM »
Who thinks this?
Odd. I thought this community was generally aware that most things are, in fact, heritable. Anyway, the Stanford School of Medicine seems to agree with me.

This is your diagnosis of Nietzsche? First you'd need to prove that he was any of these things, then explain that this is caused by an already existing condition and not as a reaction to something else, such as being intelligent in an age of morons.
Here's a letter Nietzsche wrote to his mother, in which he asks for money to go on a journey so as to alleviate his 'extraordinary' feelings of depression. His letters have many allusions to his melancholy condition, particularly in the 1880s before his breakdown.

That's your claim and you have provided no proof.
Sorry, but the burden of proof is on you, as you made the original claim about psychiatric medication. Besides, my words are backed by thousands of MDs. As for yours... well, I'm sure those on the 'holistic' side of medicine would support you.

Interzone / Re: Recommend me a good discman
« on: October 12, 2013, 07:50:18 AM »
I'm assuming those Sansas' storage is expanded through micro SD cards. A word of advice: don't just buy the cheapest micro SD card you can find off of eBay or something, even if it's supposedly a name brand. If the card is super cheap (like less than a dollar), it's probably a Chinese knockoff that will give you compatibility issues or possibly fry your device. Just spend the extra $10 or whatever to purchase it new.

Metal / Re: bitterman reviews on Metal Archives
« on: October 12, 2013, 07:36:36 AM »
If only they knew bitterman like we do. He isn't trolling -- he just really, really, hates crappy metal!

I just wish he would put more effort into making his reviews more original. The use of the same tropes over and over (wiggers, focus groups, muzak, etc.) seems kind of lazy. His knack for description combined with humor make up for it, though.

One of his funnier moments:
Quote from: bitterman's Fate review
With all the kids nowadays "popping the mollys" and having the sex with the "strap ons" with each other after this albums release, it's safe to say Fate's success at making a parody of death metal will only serve as a eulogy to the failure that man has made out of civilization.

Metal / Re: bitterman reviews on Metal Archives
« on: October 11, 2013, 05:28:17 AM »
This is a gold mine!

Interzone / Re: Cops rediscover cure for mental illness
« on: October 11, 2013, 05:24:49 AM »
What is "depression"? Is it a condition one has from birth? How would you know whether he was "depressed"?
Clinical depression is thought to be heritable and manifests itself in the form of apathy, reclusion, and general feelings of hopelessness.  We know from Nietzsche's correspondence with friends and family that these symptoms were present. While this is not 100% incontrovertible proof, it does lend itself to the idea that something was amiss with Nietzsche's mind, or rather, his brain.

I'm more inclined to believe great people are great in spite of their dysfunction, not because of it.
Human behavior is multifaceted and can't really be distilled down to a single motivating factor. That being said, I think Nietzsche's depression played a part in his greatness. Nietzsche's writings could very well have been put to paper as a sort of tonic for his internal struggles, like he was writing his own self help book.

It's indeed a depressing state of affairs when being on unproven and damaging drugs is considered a state of normalcy.
This is largely specious. The efficacy of pharmaceutical psychotropics has been shown many times over and the side effects are largely negligible compared to the benefits they yield.

Interzone / Re: Are downloadable MP3s still relevant?
« on: October 05, 2013, 06:48:51 AM »
 It's the hunt for mp3s that is an inconvenience. Finding a download that hasn't been deleted, isn't in a useless format like .wma, isn't password protected, isn't missing files, isn't a low bitrate, isn't hosted on a Russian site, etc. is a pain in the ass.  Also, transferring mp3s between various devices is a tedious process

With spotify I just type in what a want to listen to and it streams instantly.

Interzone / Re: Are downloadable MP3s still relevant?
« on: October 05, 2013, 06:19:32 AM »
Ultimately it's a tradeoff between convenience and control. But Spotify does have an offline mode where you can download (DRM protected) files and play them at your leisure while internet is unavailable.

I do keep some mp3s around as a back up, but I suspect my need for them will continue to fade as mobile broadband becomes more pervasive.

Interzone / Re: Cops rediscover cure for mental illness
« on: October 05, 2013, 06:11:31 AM »
1. Nietzche was psychotic from birth.
Who knows what ultimately caused his breakdown, whether it was syphilis or if he was just a ticking time bomb since birth. But he definitely did suffer from depression, and not the mild existential kind.
2. Psychosis contributed to his ideas.
When something is an innate part of your mental faculty, it manifests itself in your thoughts and actions whether you are conscious of it or not. So, if our old friend Friedrich did in fact suffer from a form of mental illness, then we can say with certainty that it contributed to or otherwise influenced his thought.

3. Than in order to save the genes, we need to tolerate their dysfunctional expressions.
Psychiatry has come along way since the days of lobotomies and ECT. Many people afflicted by mental disorders live perfectly normal, dysfunction-free lives with the help of antidepressants, antipsychotics, mood stabilizers, etc, along with behavioral therapy. Is treatment perfect? Obviously no, as evidenced by the recent happenings in DC, but it's good enough to say that successful outcomes aren't uncommon.

Interzone / Re: Are downloadable MP3s still relevant?
« on: October 05, 2013, 05:48:20 AM »
I suppose storage locker downloads are still useful to some, especially to those in countries where content is restricted on youtube/spotify/etc due to the legal clusterfuck that is international digital rights but I suspect the process will be streamlined in due time.

But as it stands for those in the US, Spotify provides just about everything you could hope for. From DLA mainstays like Morbid Angel, Incantation and Burzum, to obscurities like Infester, Revenant, and Cadaver, to newer stuff like Scalpel, Revel in Flesh and Goatcraft, their library is as close to comprehensive as you could hope for. All this is without the inconsistent quality and sloth-like download speed of a service like rapidshare. Moreover, listening on Spotify actually generates income for artists on a per-track basis, so even if you can't afford to purchase many albums you can still support worthy artists just by listening to them. Unfortunately, the program is ad-supported, but you can eliminate them for $5 a month, and for $5 more you gain access to spotify's library on your smartphone, thus eliminating the need to seek out and acquire mp3 files entirely. Worth it if you ask me.

And no, I'm not a spam bot; I just really like spotify :)

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