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Interzone / Re: What is leadership?
« on: March 14, 2014, 10:08:06 AM »
The problem with modern 'leadership' is, that everybody wants to be 'the man'. But in order to be 'the man', everybody feels they have to 'stick it to the man'.

In other words: The great chaotic mass of sheep, rebelling against each other, in order to appear powerful and leader'ish in their own minds. Effectively not leading anyone - but being led by anything, that makes them feel more independent, individualistic and powerful (lifestyle products, rock music, fashion etc.)

Being young (under 30) myself, I acknowledge that I do not have any ability to lead. But being a leader in itself isn't a real goal anyway.

The real leader is someone who derives power not from himself, but from that which he represents and understands: Order, wisdom, in short: The ways of reality.

I think there's a long lost art of being a follower, that is worth rediscovering: Not following in the sheepish sense, but carefully seeking out and determining that, which is actually worth following, as an alternative to immense sea of 'be independent'-type crap crashing all around us.

This is why I have such respect for Prozak/Stevens and crow: They both represent something subtle, yet undeniably real and powerful. Something I myself want to represent. Which is why I rarely feel any need to question what either of them say: Not because I don't consider the deeper implications of their words, but precisely because I do.

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Interzone / Re: Is that you John Wayne? Is this Me?
« on: March 13, 2014, 12:53:08 PM »
What a refreshingly honest post. I like it!

I used to be able to answer yes to all of those, but not any more. All those things were trappings of insecurity, or me doubting that I really 'had it right'. Once I let go, and started trusting myself, I realized that I indeed had it right, moreso than almost everybody else.

Clean honest self-doubt is an important step along the way of getting it right though. You seem to be well on your way.


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Interzone / Re: Sociology
« on: March 13, 2014, 12:44:30 PM »

Seems to me the whole point of sociology is to be uber-judgemental about everyone elses' behaviour, while being a detached "god" to whom judgement does not apply.
Bingo!
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I may be biased, due to personal experience.
Well... bingo to that too.

I've only known one person who studied sociology. A girl. Good with abstract thinking. Very superficial. Leaning heavily to the left.

Though I realize that there are some worthwhile works in the field, it seems to me that sociology in general tends to appeal to such people: People who can't distinguish between knowledge and their desire to judge the world through the filter of some ridiculously abstract theory, thus feeling superior.

This impression also comes from the general 'vibe' of university, I suppose. I've taken a couple of courses where sociological thinking played a prominent role (though they weren't courses in sociology as such). Many intellectual (neurotic) women!

I still think there are some fascinating aspects of it though, and I did enjoy reading Bourdieu.

I agree with TableauxParisiens on this one: Sociology seems to me to be 'philosophy of the social' dressed up as science, to give it more authority. It's speculation at heart.

Doesn't mean it couldn't be a worthwhile undertaking, though.

If you sincerely think it'll serve your purpose (whatever that may be) I say go for it. If not, then don't.

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Interzone / Re: Out from darkness
« on: March 12, 2014, 12:25:24 PM »
What brings an individual to recognize the societal decadence (as you so rightly put it) in the first place?

Perhaps it is something as simple as real love for life. One instinctively detect that people are miserable, though they'll do anything to look happy, confident, content.

So one turns to nihilism as the only way out - and then discovers the flux. The thrilling sensation of simply being alive, and rolling with it wherever it may lead.

I think you are very right in emphasizing truth. The guiding star leading to reality itself.

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Interzone / Re: Out from darkness
« on: March 12, 2014, 09:11:45 AM »
To get back to the original topic, I think that it is true, that the development of any serious philosophy or awareness presupposes nihilism in some form.

Nihilism means the refusal to take anything we're told to be valuable at face value. In other words, it's a desocialization of value. It's not believing in what 'everybody' knows, just because 'everybody' says so. This can only be done through radical questioning - the refusal to presuppose anything at all.

Thus having freed value from the idea of socialized discourse, we're free to discover it for ourselves. This eventually leads to the realization that value does indeed exist - but that it is something entirely different from what 'everybody' thinks it is.

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Metal / The artistry of underground metal
« on: March 11, 2014, 11:09:24 AM »
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Well, I don't know about art, and I don't give a shit about art no matter what it is. I'm just doing what comes natural, and I've never thought about it as art. The things I do are for me, I've never done music for no one but me. Still, I think it's satisfying to know that the truly dedicated out there find something in what I do.
Interview with Ildjarn

In a world of plastic garbage and derivative, 'intellectual' modern art, underground metal hit a nerve. It managed to be engaging in a way, that made the highbrow, socially accepted art seem hollow in comparison.

Perhaps this was because the artists had no idea that they were making art to begin with. They were simply reveling in the unadulterated joy of distorted sound, bending and shaping it because they could, till it felt right. Not seeking to come up with something to fit into some preconceived theory of art and expression. Just being alive, exploring the endless possibilities of an aesthetic, that 'normal' people rejected as noisy and unpleasant, with youthful zeal.

And in this activity they found all the meaning and adventure, that the dying society around them never could provide. Almost by accident, but not quite. They found their own spirit.

Maybe this is what's embedded in the sound. And perhaps this is what made it such beautiful art.

They weren't seeking to be taken seriously by others - but they understood that what they were doing was something worth taking seriously.

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Metal / Re: Ildjarn Split was written by Nidhogg
« on: March 11, 2014, 10:43:15 AM »
Thanks for posting, and clearing things up NiDHOGG.

Though you do not intend to, I still hope that you'll stick around these boards. It would surely be worthwhile for the rest of us to read what I creative mind like yours have to say about all things metal.

The Ildjarn-Nidhogg-compilation is one of my all-time favourite metal-albums: Absorbing, flowing, pure. An underrated classic of underground art. I know that many around these parts share my opinion.

Thanks to you and Ildjarn for that one :)

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Interzone / Re: Insecurity
« on: March 11, 2014, 10:20:03 AM »
That's a worthwhile observation, and pretty well sums up my experience.

Perhaps this is why introversion is met with such suspicion.

'They are living life in a way, that none of us have the courage to. There must be something wrong with them'

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Interzone / Re: Why?
« on: March 11, 2014, 10:15:33 AM »
It's a strange paradox, really:

We can never see reality as it is - that's the way it's always been.

Meaning: Reality is - at heart - unreal.

Being a student of philosophy myself, I know how wonderfully fascinating the divide between perception and reality can be. It can be a useful thing to consider. It is something to meditate on.

It is however not to be taken as destiny.

The divide between perception and reality is an opportunity. As we recognize the two as different from each other, we are led to consider when and how we perceive reality in a faulty way - and at the same time to consider how we could possibly know that reality is something other than our perceptions, if it was indeed impossible to bridge the gap.

If one follows this path to its logical conclusion, then - voila.

Voila being french, meaning: There it is/there you are.

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Interzone / Re: What does it mean?
« on: March 11, 2014, 10:00:30 AM »
Wild - since you asked me to provide my understanding, I will attempt to do so:

God is a word. But God is also something far from a word.

As you know, words are used interpersonally, to communicate and share with other human beings.

God is a useful word, if we both understand what is meant by it. But if one of us fails to understand the word, then one of us obviously shouldn't use it.

Is it me, or is it you? This is a question I sincerely ask you. I'm not trying to be a smart-ass - though I suspect that you think I am nothing but.

God signifies something that is beyond words. That's why God can neither be defined, nor redefined. If God was indeed subject to such wordgames, that would mean that he was in our power to use as we saw fit. But this notion goes against everything that God as a matter of fact is.

You can experience God, if you truly seek it. But this implies suspending your own ideas about what he/it is supposed to be - and by extension, suspending your own ideas about, how I am using the word. For I do not use it as you seem to think I do. I do not 'define it', as you say.

Just because you seek a definition doesn't mean that I do. In fact, I'm trying to say just the opposite of how you seem to read my words: I do not claim to 'understand' God - so how could I ever promote my own understanding of him? I would be promoting something, that didn't exist, and that I knew to be non-existent.

Crow knows what I am talking about. And I know what crow is talking about. We don't always use the same words to describe it, but we both know that this doesn't matter.

Sure, God is 'nothing but' reality. But then again reality is 'nothing but' God.

If you see reality as a 'nothing but...' then I suggest you take a deeper look. If you are sincere, then you won't be disappointed.

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Interzone / Insecurity
« on: March 11, 2014, 12:38:23 AM »
My earliest childhood was a very happy one. But when I reached school-age, and became imbedded in a social-setting larger than my neighbourhood and local friends, I gradually grew more secluded and insecure. So I withdrew into myself.

At some point, I realized that this wasn't so cool, being downright scared of other people. So I got to work, and gradually came out of my shell.

This process included quite a lot of embarrasing moments for me, as I knew nothing of how to behave in a social setting, and so often made an ass out of myself. There was a lot of shame - but shame is something you get over, though it feels like it'll be there forever, when it's going on.

Eventually I managed to kill off most of my social insecurities, and before I knew it, being around other people didn't bother me that much anymore.

But as I grew accustomed to others, I started to notice something strange.

Back when I was insecure, I never really saw the behavior of others. I was too caught up in my own feelings of awkwardness - but as these feelings started to reside, I lost the pathological self-awareness, and my mind became free to absorb what was actually going on around me.

What I started to notice was, that all my socially adapt peers also had a million insecurities, that I just never noticed before. Theirs just weren't connected with being social as such - but they were insecure with regards to almost everything else: Feeling alone, unintelligent, ugly, unwanted etc.

Where I had been busy tackling what I saw as my own flaws, they hadn't even considered that their own insecurities were something that could be fixed. Instead, they had been socializing and bonding over these feelings of inferiority.

They got together to complain, and constantly affirmed each other as victims of all the greater and smaller 'injustices of the world'. And because of this very affirmation, they felt justified in not doing anything about their problems.

Either that, or putting others (or each other) down, so they could individually feel better.

They were basically using each other as excuses: 'Everybody is miserable, so why shouldn't I be?

That was when I realized, that these were the very things that I had never been able to do. This was why I withdrew into myself in the first place - because I never believed that misery could do anything good for me.

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Interzone / Re: Why?
« on: March 10, 2014, 11:55:06 PM »
Plato spent much time considering rocks. Untill there was nothing left to consider. Then he left the cave.

Thanks! Decided to give the forum another shot.

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Interzone / Re: What does it mean?
« on: March 10, 2014, 11:52:44 PM »
God cannot be 'redefined'. God cannot be a 'metaphor'. And God has little to do with how the word 'God' has been defined in western tradition throughout the last 1500 years.

God can only be God. Mindblowing stuff right there.

There's only one sin, really: Thinking that God is otherwise. Thinking that God is somehow capable of being changed by what we may think of him/it.

If one thinks so, one will surely suffer for it in life, one way or the other. Not because God wills it - but because one wills God to be in some way different from, what God is.

Bear in mind that thinking about God doesn't changed this one way or the other. One can live a perfect life in accordance with his will, without ever having even heard of the word 'God'.

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Interzone / Re: Why?
« on: March 10, 2014, 11:35:02 PM »
If there is any answer, it is this:

If your mind has the capacity to think up a question, then surely it can produce an answer as well.

That's something I've read someone else say. But I thought that was very insightful, and it made me look at my own questions in a different way. It made me question myself as a being asking question.

Did I learn anything from it? Well yes and no. It pointed me in the right direction - by reminding me not to look where I already knew there was nothing to be found.

If your looking for light, don't seek out the darkness.

Perhaps Plato was right when he said that all learning is remembering (re-cognition).

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Interzone / Re: How do you want to die?
« on: November 12, 2013, 05:04:08 PM »
I would like to be in the wilderness, alone, with nothing except the awareness of my last moments. Not necessarily knowing exactly how I was going to die - just knowing that I was.

Well, that or consentual drowning.

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