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Interzone / Re: cat's spirituality
« on: September 15, 2013, 09:30:24 PM »
Absolutely everything can serve as a spiritual teacher, if one approaches it in the right way.

God will take on any form, colour, shape, sound, mood or odour to tell you that 'he' is there. And if you don't listen, it won't matter to God.

But it will matter to you, even though you may not realize it.

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Interzone / Re: Unintentional metaphors for modernity
« on: September 15, 2013, 09:25:22 PM »
Nihilism is about seeing for yourself what it's all about - if all can even said to be about something.

Therefore, it makes little sense to say what a true nihilist would or wouldn't do, say, think or believe.

He'll do, say, think or believe anything, if that what it's about - and he'll discard it if it isn't.

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Interzone / Re: Baby boomer dictionary
« on: September 15, 2013, 09:19:58 PM »
Doormats are more usefull than most people - they actually serve a purpose.

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Interzone / Re: Spiritualism
« on: September 15, 2013, 09:14:33 PM »
The realization that things are as they are, whatever I may judge them to be, was exactly what I got from the teachings of Christ. This could very well be called a revelation.

But with this revelation ceased the need to identify myself as a 'christian'. Which I won't, anymore.

Why did I call myself a christian to begin with? Because Christ was the one who pointed me towards reality, and said: That's it. Nothing else is important.

What isn't important is the back and forth about what 'christianity' is or isn't.

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Interzone / Re: Spiritualism
« on: September 15, 2013, 11:23:30 AM »
About the question of worship and reverence: If there is a difference between the Lord, and existence, or if there ever was, I don't see it anymore.

The kingdom of heaven must be the place, where the Lord God rules supreme. But if the kingdom of heaven is in our midst, as Jesus claimed, does that not mean that existence as such is holy?

Perhaps you could liken the the difference between reverence for existence and for the Lord to the difference between meditation and prayer. I have done a good deal of both.

Meditation is a shutting down of the Self, to let reality seep in. Prayer is conscious submission and worship of the supreme divinity.

The meaning of the Christian prayer - the only prayer - the 'Our father', is

let Gods will be
and let me be in harmony with it
let not my own will
blind me towards Gods perfection

but is this not also a way of saying: I am nothing? Just like meditation is a way of experiencing this nothingness of the 'I'?

It's all about seeing reality for what it is - infinitely greater than what I, or you, or any other could ever think it to be.

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His disciples said to him, "When will the kingdom come?"
"It will not come by watching for it. It will not be said, 'Look, here!' or 'Look, there!' Rather, the Father's kingdom is spread out upon the earth, and people don't see it."

-The Gospel of Thomas
http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/gosthom.html

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Interzone / Re: Why are people afraid of nihilism?
« on: September 13, 2013, 12:09:04 PM »
What do you think about roles, crow?

I guess you could say that roles is the beginning of society: Warrior, shaman, mother, hunter etc. At first, these will probably be unconscious. The shaman is a being-shaman, for example. He has no consciousness outside of this role. And each role is a nescessary part for the being of the whole. Everybody have to be exactly what they are.

I'm beginning to think that the downfall of modern society has much to do with the dissociation of the individuals societal role on the one hand (job, career, political view etc.), and the abstract notion of belonging to an undifferentiated 'humanity' on the other (equality).

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Interzone / Re: An avian definition of Nihilism.
« on: September 13, 2013, 12:00:40 PM »
To be perfectly honest, I havenÝt really thought about what it feels like, as much as I have been enjoying the sensation.

I don't now about 'being breathed' - but in a way, I guess you could call it that.

I'll try to describe it: It feels like a slow vibration within me. The vibration doesn't feel like me - but it doesn't feel like it's not me either - if that makes any sense?

My awarness can float freely around this vibration - and even 'see' it, or feel it in the world, in the swaying of trees, or the pulsing of traffic, or in the rythm of the way people walk. Also in the connection between the words and small movements of facial-muscles when people talk.

Words don't really do it justice - but it's real cool :) 

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Interzone / Re: Unintentional metaphors for modernity
« on: September 12, 2013, 09:29:13 PM »
Essentially it's a way of sorting the real from the fake. To ask yourself the question: 'What does it really mean to believe in nothing?' is to initiate a process of cleansing.

I agree with this, and think it's more than cleansing, it's "abandonment."
You are right. But in a certain sense, isn't this abandonment also a return?

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Interzone / Re: An avian definition of Nihilism.
« on: September 12, 2013, 08:16:02 PM »
You and I really must have an in-depth conversation, one day.
I wonder what steroids your soul is on, to result in the results we see.
You are positively rare.

It's a strange and wonderful thing. There's no telling what it is. I have noticed this, though: My breathing has become a slow and steady continuous flow.

I don't now about rare, though. In many ways, I'm still just an ordinary guy. You're the one who have done wonders for these boards.

I have a feeling that we'll soon have something to talk in-depht about. Don't know what. Just a hunch.

And to adress the topic -

We will have a truly human society only when we have humane humans, knowing what a human is, what it can be and do - and just as important, what it can not and never do or be.

Modern society is based around the assumption that humans are precisely that, which truly humane humans can never ever be: Equal.

The so-called humanism of today is nothing but an excuse for inhumanity.

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Interzone / Re: Spiritualism
« on: September 12, 2013, 07:53:48 PM »
To start off by making one thing absolutely clear: I am not here to convert anyone. I'm not a missionary, nor would I ever want to be.

That being said, I don't mind explaining my faith to anyone who may be interested - in so far that it can be explained at all.

Faith is not a rational thing, you see. It is not a question of reasons for or against. Faith simply is when it is. You can try to explain it or try to explain it away - but such an explanation will never touch upon the true nature of it.

This may seem convenient - but in fact it is far from it. Most people have no idea what I'm talking about, which is why I keep my mouth shut about religion in real life to all, except for a very few. And even those few don't really get what I'm saying most of the time.

Most people think that my faith equals what they think, when they think faith. 99,9% of the time, that isn't the case at all.

But since you seem genuinly curious, Wild, I'll try to say something about it anyway. Why shouldn't I? I don't detect any outright hostility in your posts... Well, maybe toward the notion of 'christianity' - but not towards me.

So:

The Bible is such a popular text, because it can communicate on an extremely personal level. But whether it speaks to you or not is entirely dependent on the presence of faith. It'll speak to your innermost being if you have it, and it won't if you don't.

If you have faith, there's no real point in questioning the Bible. Why would you? All the answers are there. There's nothing to add, and nothing subtract.

Jesus was not complicated. His teachings were simple, and to the point: 'Love God as you love yourself' and 'be towards your kin as you wish they should be towards you'. Paraphrased: Be right within yourself, and act right towards others.

Or summed up: 'Judge not lest ye be judged'. Don't blame others for your own problems, and don't blame yourself for the problems of others.

Interesting enough, Marx started out in religious critique. The origins of his thoughts on capitalism, oppression and communism is to be found here. He saw nothing in religion but an excuse for the few to dominate the many. Religion was there to give the oppressed masses a sense of false hope - 'false consciousness'. He saw no end to this, unless the world would reject religion all together. He explicitely stated that politics would have to become the new religion.
 
I don't know if christianity brought anything good to europe that wasn't here before. What I do know is, that it was a hugely influential religion, that provided many many people with a referential framework for a very long time. Therefore, I wouldn't feel too sure making a categorical statement, like: It is this or it is that.

But I'm pretty sure that what came after the death of God - the religion of politics - is worse: "Wherever the corpse is, there the vultures will gather."

Christ was just a man who was a man and realized that he was a man. That's why he called himself the son of man. It was the 'christians' who called him the son of God. That's on them,

In Christ I see myself - nothing to worship, and nothing to condemn. Christ was a dropping away of ego - a transparency. A mirror, reflecting both the good and bad of his entourage on the one hand - and the world on the other. That's it. Way too many words.

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Interzone / Re: The secret
« on: September 11, 2013, 10:28:10 PM »
Most dictators are said to be loved by their people in the beginning - and I don't think it too unlikely that many dictators actually act out of a great sense of duty and responsibility towards their subjects. - That they also act out of a kind of love for their people.

For all we know, this peculiar form of mutual love may persist for most, or even the whole of a dictatorship. At least in the minds of the dictator and his loyal supporters. Who knows?

Yet most dictatorships still end up in bloodshed, war and misery.

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Interzone / Re: An avian definition of Nihilism.
« on: September 11, 2013, 10:11:20 PM »
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Behaving like a devil-worshipping, disgusting, scurrilous cannibal, in order to show others what a brilliant and irreverent rebel one is.

This is very, very important. I've noticed this popping up in myself from time to time, almost as a default.

I work hard on ridding myself of it completely. It's a general problem of my generation - and it's a very bad habit.

Through this toxic consumer 'culture' of ours, all us young people have pretty much been programmed to act as artificial rebels. It needs to stop. Nihilism should be a means towards this - not an excuse for posturing.

Thanks for the reminder.

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Interzone / Re: Origin of Universe
« on: September 11, 2013, 09:03:59 PM »
What's a 'universe'? A name we apply to something, of which we really don't know anything.

'Creation' is the myth that comes along with this naming.

So for me, the universe was created by the myth, that we can name something that has no real name.

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Interzone / Re: The secret
« on: September 11, 2013, 09:10:03 AM »

The disciple seems way too obedient.

Or maybe he is too obsessed with gaining knowledge so he will do anything in order to obtain it.
But I don't think it meant to be taken litterally
What about: An obsession with knowledge is obedience to an irresponsible master?

This interpretation is both literal and abstract. In fact, I don't think it's an interpretation at all: It's more of a description.

To interpret means to look for the knowledge 'behind' something. If we are to believe the zen-master, such an approach will lead one to dangerous places.

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Interzone / Re: The secret
« on: September 10, 2013, 11:18:04 PM »
The disciple seems way too obedient.

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