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Perhaps its time to let go of that adolescent mentality and actually respect the enemy.
This. People tend to ignore actual practice and stop treating whatever they fear as real people - capable of honor and pride - who have a survival agenda of their own. From here stems the whole self-victimizing approach of the "we were somehow wronged, therefore we demand compensation" sort.

It's always good when liberals reveal themselves.

There's that slave talk we talked about.

Then again, some people could pull their heads out of their asses and accept the fact that Varg - or any exponent of your random non-mainstream ideology, for that matter - isn't exactly important when it comes to the specifics. When you have a potential threat, you investigate it and undertake the measures necessary to contain it. It's not a great ideological crusade. It's just government operatives doing their job under the current regime, and, frankly, let's not stoop to political martyrdom. Were Varg "imprisoned for his views", we'd have prison camps all over Europe. "Honest attempts" are the domain of activists. Government agencies don't "honestly attempt", they either get something done or fail.
This whole "liberal cultural marxist PC stooges are repressing freedom" whining really reminds me of the usual liberal cultural marxist PC "The Man wants us silenced and obedient". Stop being myopic and just accept the fact that you might just be a routine security check.
Oh, wait, the flamboyant "IT'S OPPRESSION" heroism wouldn't really hold any substance at that point.

It's a problem with both sides going overboard with speculation.

1. The whole "neo-nazi Breivik supporter" theme is obviously ridiculous to anyone who knows better, ie. anyone remotely interested in metal music or willing to check up on some facts. Not so much to the general public. As I see it, the Vikerneses are into homesteading in deep France, and since homesteading as a modern movement has its roots in American culture, they were bound to be interested in gun ownership (not that widespread in Europe) and the lot. Or at least that's how I explain the matter to friends and acquaintances.
2. Then again, Varg is pretty high-profile for his writings and cult status, and the fact that fellow Norwegian had sent him his manifesto before proceeding with mass murder doesn't exactly help. Preventing threats to national security is, after all, what domestic intelligence agencies exist for.

All in all, this case sounds like a routine investigation blown up to dramatic proportions by the media and "concerned Hessians" alike.

Which makes me wonder - does anybody know where the news about the arrest originally came from?

Metal / Old Morning's Dawn - first thoughts
« on: April 25, 2013, 09:51:38 AM »
From what I collect - and deducing from the discrepancies between the ripped version and what the trailer sounds like - we've yet to hear the release as it actually is. In the meantime, you might want to use the trailer to calibrate your equalizers.

First impressions were rather underwhelming. Less dynamic phrasing, more of a stoic approach akin to the last Lord Wind. Dangerously Van Haleney riffs reminiscent of LMHSYF and Stronghold at times. There are lots of aesthetic choices here which seem like a step back from what was done on Oath Bound, ie. merging the atmospheric thickness of their Minas Morgul/Dol Guldur era with some of the more crowd pleasing elements of their later works in a way which was actually more conducive to telling a story. (I've always felt that it was the only album on which they actually managed to uphold a narrative from point A to Z).

Then again, after a third run some of the less immediately catchy tracks seem much more solid, which reminds me of how the latest DCD album actually started making sense as a whole after some time.

Metal / Re: New Burzum Album
« on: March 04, 2013, 03:53:07 PM »
Who is Leere by?

Burzum - Leere
Christian Vikernes usually had his lyrics translated into German in his liner notes.
I've always found it pretty funny how people always use the Norwegian titles, as long as it's not "Dunkelheit".

Metal / Re: New AMEBIX video
« on: June 03, 2011, 03:39:31 PM »
It's predictable and emotionally retarded hard rock drivel that I would expect from U2 collaborating with a half-asleep post-rock band or something, not Amebix.

Or Isis doing mid-career Amorphis with a Lemmy wannabe on vocals.
Then again, there's symmetry. After Beherit and Asphyx in 2009, we got two years of crappy comebacks.

Metal / Re: Revelation: I like later Graveland
« on: December 28, 2010, 03:12:46 AM »
Every release up until Immortal Pride expressed a distinct combination of concept and aesthetic, whereas the later albums could be categorized into "mini-eras", in which Darken tried with varying success to find the best voice for the ideas to be conveyed.
Immortal Pride, Creed of Iron -> 10 minutes of Poledouris per song, compositions veering into "synthesized classical" territory (with lots of phat breakbeats on CoI).
Memory and Destiny, The Fire of Awakening, Dawn of Iron Blades -> tighter songs, presenting motifs to expand upon melodically/structurally instead of expanding ambience.
Fire Chariot of Destruction -> twangy guitarwork reminiscent of FtVoB, arguably a return to the thick ambient layering of Thousand Swords; recapitulated quite a lot of themes from the previous three releases in a new context. I'd say it expresses a sort of ferocity that the other late Graveland lacked and still lacks.
Will Stronger Than Death, Britney Spears of Destiny -> a merger of Darken's current repetitive instrumental style with Lord WInd's meditative approach, which is kind of like sitting before an ancient temple all day and paying attention to the rhythm of people flowing in and out, calves slaughtered on the altar, etc.
The future -> another Fire Chariot of sorts would do, restating what was done up to this point, but with a more conscious use of disparate stylistic implements, i.e. not constantly drowning out majestic themes with Atlantean Valkyrie Choirs, which themselves would benefit from an overhaul towards something more akin to medieval polyphony.

Metal / Re: International Day of EXHORDER
« on: July 15, 2010, 01:58:20 AM »
Quote from: scourge
The ideas of Exhorder Day and Incantation Day (Onward to Golgotha Day) could be shoehorned in somehow with National Day of Slayer.

That's a good point.


6.6.06 isn't a date that comes around very often (once per century, to be exact), and while plenty of stupid horror movies and terrible albums will be released for the hype value of the day that bears "the number of the beast", we here at NDoS decided that this would be a perfect day for Hessians across the country to come together and engage in something upon which we can all agree - listening to Slayer!

Since Slayer and even the faux-kvltie faggots who initially decried NDoS for being an ANUS project appropriated this holiday, there might come a time when NDoS will have to be delivered from a total loss of meaning.
06/06/11 could be used to remind people that the idea behind the whole initiative was to piss on substandard derivative entertainment and hail the good stuff. A "don't listen to Pantera, listen to Exhorder" or "don't listen to Slaughter of the Soul, listen to Far Away from the Sun" campaign would fit in neatly.

Interzone / Re: [META] Activities of our users
« on: July 13, 2010, 04:11:55 PM »

Programmed Cell Death should probably go there. "Gays of Ecoheaven" and "This is John Kerry, and I approve this message..." are a must, though.

ie; I can measure a table to be 2 metres long = knowledge
The table exists at 2 metres long = Truth

Isn't it more like
1) The table is 2 meters long - reality
2) According to my measurement, the table is X meters long - knowledge
3) Knowledge describing reality correctly - truth?

Interzone / Ambient gabber parallels
« on: March 26, 2010, 04:59:27 AM »
99,9% of gabber music is admittedly braindead and manufactured for chimps with 2-second attention spans (no hyperbole here). This song, among others by Atari Teenage Riot, uses bouncy hardcore techno aesthetics mixed with generic Slayer riffs inserted into a punkish frame of composition.

The effect is surprisingly good: there's lots of ambient layering going on in the background, which reminds me of Beherit's "Demon Advance" in terms of how they manage to uphold the fluidity of diverse components intertwining with each other. I wonder whether it's a coincidence that Marko Laiho made a career as a gabber DJ.

After all, it's not as ridiculous as one might think. Alec Empire, the guy behind ATR, collaborated with Justin Broadrick's Techno Animal, whose first release was a masterpiece of its kind. It's a pity that Empire didn't take a hint. ATR exploring depth of sound via Dischargesque ambience rather than mainstream "rebellious" themes could have proven interesting.

Metal / Re: Hideous Gnosis black metal symposium
« on: March 09, 2010, 11:03:42 AM »
My impression is not that they are treating black metal like an art form. My impression is that they're pushing the shitty "modern" bands they like: Xasthur, Mutiilation, Peste Noire and just about every other band they mention while they hardly even mention what created the whole black metal movement: Mayhem, Burzum, Darkthrone and the ideas those bands stood for.

(Disclaimer: I haven't read/heard any of those presentations, so my bad.)
As an anthropologist I can say that it's a major tendency in academia to analyze general discourse as opposed to ideas proposed by specific groups. I could sympathise with what these people are probably getting at, that is, relating the popular understanding of metal ideals to broader cultural trends. What Conservationist pointed out is correct: these guys mostly invent topics to brood upon, and I guess that people here consider that modus operandi a tad too passive.

Believe it or not, the symposium is probably doing its best to keep an objective point of view. Since the perception of art is subjective (yeah, lynch me), it's more reasonable to study the way the regular 'perceivers' (metalheads, or maybe 95% of the metalhead community) create an intersubjective vision of what metal is about and subsequently act upon that notion of theirs, rather than write dissertations about the meaning of heavy metal from an outsiders perspective -- we've all seen that sort of stuff on Christian websites denouncing the satanic message of rock'n'roll, so I guess some people don't want to keep on blundering.

Frankly, any academic social scientists or philosophers here should start coming up with ideas to troll their egghead communities into considering the ideas expounded by the DLA seriously. It's better to find new ways to be useful than to whine about pretentious hipsters ;)

Metal / Re: Literary influences on metal
« on: March 09, 2010, 09:48:00 AM »
Lovecraft, on the other hand, was the master of indescribable horror removed from morality; entities and concepts outside of humanity's normal frame of reference are right at home with death metal.

And there's the other face of Lovecraft's prose, contained mostly in his Dream Cycle stories which recounted the glory of imaginary civilizations buried by time and dust, yielding to degeneration embodied by the eldritch abominations (TM) he wrote about later in his life. At the Mountains of Madness was a masterful combination of both themes, cosmic horror and existential epic, in that it wasn't really about Lovecraft's alter egos exploring unspeakable horrors, as much as a story of the last specimens of a long gone race, studying the annihilation of the world they belonged to millennia earlier.

Quote from: Lovecraft
...poor Old Ones! Scientists to the last—what had they done that we would not have done in their place? God, what intelligence and persistence! What a facing of the incredible, just as those carven kinsmen and forbears had faced things only a little less incredible! Radiates, vegetables, monstrosities, star spawn—whatever they had been, they were men!

Plus, I'd go as far as to say that the gloomy guy's stories remind me of how Quorthon and DMD from Absurd employed their vocals in terms of technique. Quorthon could barely reach the correct pitches at times, and DMD had a distinctly punkish 'Cherman' voice. However, both had an extremely good grasp of what they wanted to convey, so the delivery was in itself powerful, regardless of any shortcomings. Lovecraft's purple prose is similar: some will laugh at his language, but every time you read a passage about something particularly rugose, or squamous ichor for that matter, you feel those eldritch abominations (TM) lurking somewhere near. Death/black metal's loud and noisy aesthetics work kinda similarly.

Interzone / Re: Deathmetal.org critique
« on: March 08, 2010, 10:38:21 AM »
People get kicks out of lashing at Texan favoritism.
A question to deathmetal.org staff: do you accept death/black metal monographs from outsiders? There's indeed a great deal of local/national scenes to analyze, forgotten jewels to promote, idols to smash, and the site doesn't seem to suffer from the amount of backlash that the DLA gets. Poles could write about good B grade NSBM, Ukrainians about above average ambient folk metal, Quebecers about solid techno-death, and the admins would check if quality standards are met.
Or is that already the general idea, and I'm jest restating what's obvious?

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