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Chasm / Re: What could be better, what can be done
« on: January 27, 2013, 12:23:07 PM »(1) This place must always stand for the radical truth. However, when we extend it to politics, we lose a lot of the music audience and lose a lot of the focus on the music.
Ok then, let's start with the music. But uploading to rapid, deposit and mediashares may be a waste of time. So what about those donations and aquiring our own space? Do you think it's possible at all, taking into account number of users/their will towards financial involvement?
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Chasm / What could be better, what can be done
« on: January 26, 2013, 05:27:12 PM »
Loosely related to:
http://www.deathmetal.org/forum/index.php/topic,16742.0.html
http://www.deathmetal.org/forum/index.php/topic,16779.0.html
http://www.deathmetal.org/forum/index.php/topic,13975.0.html
Im not very oriented in recent situation, because of my long absence, but it seems that forum is withering. Topics are uninteresting and non-stimulating. I know that there are not much new material to discuss, and we know most of our opinions, but there are other problems as well. I'm against much of DLA evolution since mid 2000's. It was often gruesome and provocative back then. Now, with new, more serious layout, artwork and more mainstream political direction it's somehow inapropriate. I really liked the old, longer articles, which were instrumental to conceptualization of DLA's platform, even if time wasn't kind for some of them, instead of those recent blog posts. Especially when they are short and vulgar comments takes most of space. I think that we should cut off comments section. They really doesn't bring anything "recyclable" to our table.
Audiofile should be reformed. There are problems with hosting services, so maybe we could somehow get our own space (I'm just asking as I'm quite illiterate in computer science)? Maybe we could aquire some goods by a means of users donation? Then maybe we could expand it to other fields of arts instead of just music? Those few movies, reproduction of certain visual arts, important texts of high literature as well as good, even more recent articles/journalism?. It would be projected as a more universal repository for those seeking traditional values, mostly Indo-European with selected works from other civilisations (because at first we should secure what is closest to us) each with it's own entry and appropriate description. Of course resources should be in various languages, but we can agree that layout/description could be universally in English. Why bother? Even if some of those resources are available elsewhere, here they would be tied to specific identity, which would be instrumental in creation political entity. What could differentiate us? It should be organized better than on those other sites. Resources digitalized, prefferably by us, according to standards set beforehand and with not-so-open-for-discussion context. Besides what we perceive as our more or less common and well formulated cannon, we could discuss less obvious inclusions on the forum, without haste but with bit of arbitrariness provided by Anus staff, veterans, or maybe some external authorities. It sounds ambitious and more like life-long project, but why not? Everything is open to debate here. But first, we should get our music back because it's not so easily obtainable, as one could think. Problems with hosting services eliminated large part of musical blogs, boards etc.
And what about Wikipedo's entry? Or maybe we don't want such attention?
By the way: I personally need two things from users.
First: we are deprived of non-FLAC Ildjarn Landscapes. I would be much obliged if someone could upload that for me, in reasonable mp3.
Second: Can somebody provide scans of everything but the main content of Ride the Tiger? By everything but main content I mean parts absent from version available for example here http://www.kathodos.com/ridethetiger.pdf, such as preface or foreword, edition notice and especially notes and index (in English of course). Could anybody recognise this edition? Is that edition of Inner Traditions, translated by Joscelyn Godwin and Constance Fontana?. Are there any other editions in English?
http://www.deathmetal.org/forum/index.php/topic,16742.0.html
http://www.deathmetal.org/forum/index.php/topic,16779.0.html
http://www.deathmetal.org/forum/index.php/topic,13975.0.html
Im not very oriented in recent situation, because of my long absence, but it seems that forum is withering. Topics are uninteresting and non-stimulating. I know that there are not much new material to discuss, and we know most of our opinions, but there are other problems as well. I'm against much of DLA evolution since mid 2000's. It was often gruesome and provocative back then. Now, with new, more serious layout, artwork and more mainstream political direction it's somehow inapropriate. I really liked the old, longer articles, which were instrumental to conceptualization of DLA's platform, even if time wasn't kind for some of them, instead of those recent blog posts. Especially when they are short and vulgar comments takes most of space. I think that we should cut off comments section. They really doesn't bring anything "recyclable" to our table.
Audiofile should be reformed. There are problems with hosting services, so maybe we could somehow get our own space (I'm just asking as I'm quite illiterate in computer science)? Maybe we could aquire some goods by a means of users donation? Then maybe we could expand it to other fields of arts instead of just music? Those few movies, reproduction of certain visual arts, important texts of high literature as well as good, even more recent articles/journalism?. It would be projected as a more universal repository for those seeking traditional values, mostly Indo-European with selected works from other civilisations (because at first we should secure what is closest to us) each with it's own entry and appropriate description. Of course resources should be in various languages, but we can agree that layout/description could be universally in English. Why bother? Even if some of those resources are available elsewhere, here they would be tied to specific identity, which would be instrumental in creation political entity. What could differentiate us? It should be organized better than on those other sites. Resources digitalized, prefferably by us, according to standards set beforehand and with not-so-open-for-discussion context. Besides what we perceive as our more or less common and well formulated cannon, we could discuss less obvious inclusions on the forum, without haste but with bit of arbitrariness provided by Anus staff, veterans, or maybe some external authorities. It sounds ambitious and more like life-long project, but why not? Everything is open to debate here. But first, we should get our music back because it's not so easily obtainable, as one could think. Problems with hosting services eliminated large part of musical blogs, boards etc.
And what about Wikipedo's entry? Or maybe we don't want such attention?
By the way: I personally need two things from users.
First: we are deprived of non-FLAC Ildjarn Landscapes. I would be much obliged if someone could upload that for me, in reasonable mp3.
Second: Can somebody provide scans of everything but the main content of Ride the Tiger? By everything but main content I mean parts absent from version available for example here http://www.kathodos.com/ridethetiger.pdf, such as preface or foreword, edition notice and especially notes and index (in English of course). Could anybody recognise this edition? Is that edition of Inner Traditions, translated by Joscelyn Godwin and Constance Fontana?. Are there any other editions in English?
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Chasm / Re: Anti-Semitism
« on: May 04, 2012, 12:12:27 PM »You actually think the crappy movies/tv/music/academic literature they make/promote are actually designed to make us degenerate? Like, they're not just stupid because that's what the public wants, but there's a specific ill-will involved?
This whole thing sounds like an escape to me. A fantasy.
Slogans. If you tend to look on it in such intentionally simplified way you could also apply it to liberals with ease. But we know that's not the case here. It should be stated, that presence of both groups implicates some circumstances - they are shaping our surroundings in ways we perceive as inappropriate. It's as simple as that. We know that our problems won't end if we simply get rid of those groups, because we got our share of fault. But their efforts in politics, academia, art, their influence over lower castes, which after all are also a part of nation, tend to perpetuate our problems. It's a way for their causes to self-reproduce.
Many people on this board talk about the Jews as if they are some simple, linear group. They are like Whites, in that some need to be shot, some need to be convinced, and some are crucial to progress. No need to bash or support them as a whole.
As there are no two things equal, maybe Jews are not the same everywhere, it is that small recombination. But their defenders should also take that into account. My experience with them is that they are not faithful to their popular (relatively recent) portrayal. They are pedophiles/retards/liberals(formerlycommunists)/deceivers of this land and I'm not talking about ZOG-like conspiracies but about outspoken, declared Jews or ones of such heritage and their overt and transparent actions - almost never "out of character". They can be merely an individuals, but somehow they are behaving in that stereotypical way, attributed to them as a collective. Sans for few individuals, honorable exceptions maybe, underneath their fairly upstart identity they still seems to be that same unwashed disgusting rabble as many Europeans, against emerging trends, saw them.
If someone, because of ever difficult situation of Israel, our agent in the Middle East, wants to turn his head from problems we are having with them in our homes, it is his choice, but he should not pretend, that it's complete experience. But don't get me wrong - I'm not using your typical American (also German recently) pro/anti-Israel rhetoric here. Israel is a fact. I'm not against Israel as a country, while, I must say that, I think that its modern origin is at least controversial and open to valuation. But since they have established a national country in such hostile surrounding - the only reasonable action now it is to preserve it.
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Metal / Re: Old Emperor, Dimmu Borgir, Satyricon, and Kvist.
« on: May 02, 2012, 04:09:42 PM »
Kataxu Hunger of Elements was bad from what I can remember, but I like Roots Thunder. The case is, it is not so solid - it plays tricks with you. There is nothing like ITNE, either in aesthetics or execution. But similar thread could be opened for Burzum or Darkthrone's Transilvanian Hunger etc., which theoretically should be easier to recreate than ITNE, yet somehow nobody managed to succeed at it. Kitsch, and utilization of artificial associations on lowest level is what often prevents this style from being what it wants to be . In order to work, it must force such condition, when you know that you should associate certain motifs with beauty, but on basis of very facile convention, more than those motifs to be really beautiful out of themselves. Limbonic have good moments, but they always make some mistake in their songs - be it stupid sample, voice, synth, or whatever which makes it pompous and stupid. The first two Legions of Doom are good but they are not on the same compositional level as ITNE, and they are rawer, more like Emperor's demos. Gehenna's first got one good track, second about three, and third none. I've got first Setherial and it's quite good, truly similar to Emperor and Kvist albeit also have rather few standout tracks, and production which definitely makes reception of its subtleties difficult. There are few nice tracks from Nocturnal Mortum, but they are more on folkish side, while rest clearly reveals their Russian soul. Or, to be more precise, vices and deficiencies commonly associated with it. And Satyricon, much like Behemoth, never created a good record - they were always molested by various problems. As well as that part of Polish scene, which were spoiled by Spiritual Black Dimensions and Puritanical Euphoric Misanthropia worship, or by being typical Polish death metal with keyboards, ending as a grotesque circus.
I think that important elements of style is present on first Sacramentum, and maybe Vinterland's Welcome To My Last Chapter.
I think that important elements of style is present on first Sacramentum, and maybe Vinterland's Welcome To My Last Chapter.
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Chasm / Re: Humanity 3.0
« on: April 29, 2012, 11:49:41 PM »(1) Getting rid of the threats.
This includes destructive quasi-superpower contenders like China, the Pan-Slavic front, and the Middle Eastern Oil Axis.
There is no such thing as Pan-Slavic front, however I know that such claims are presented by American rightist thought. For what purpose? Especially when it's as always the West, which shortsightedly pushes Eastern Europe into clutch of this Russian pest, to secure its own interests? Slavic countries: Poland, Russia, Ukraine, Lithuania (Baltic), Belarus, even Czech Republic to some degree, are divided or overtly conflicted and there's lot of mutual loath if not outright hate, mainly because of complicated, ambivalent and often genocidal history, whose issues were never properly resolved. In region, there is some unofficial influence of Russia, because of insufficient/false/no decomunisation, through various agents and part of elites composed of former nomenclature and supporting it part of society (victims of post war conditioning, opportunists or low-lives), but it's not connected to some Pan-Slavic idea! I assure you, that either as a interaction between nations or some kind of political entity, such thing does not exist. I suppose that what you got on mind here is Russia exclusively (and maybe by extension grotesque Belarus) as it never dropped its militant stance and neo-imperialistic aspirations. But that's just one Slavic country. And it always got its own front.
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Chasm / Re: What will quantum physics research do to Atheism?
« on: April 29, 2012, 10:21:32 PM »Take a man and place beside him a light source, so he throws a shadow.
Then place another man closer to the light source.
With the second man's shadow superimposed over the first, how many shadows are there?
one plus one equals one.
I was trying to describe paradox, the other day, and came up with that.
Difficult thing to describe, where 1+1=2 OR 1.
I'm still working on the AND 1.
Maybe you intellectuals could assist?
May I propose? You can recognize it accordingly to most basic interpretation of Platonic ideas in order to decipher it better than by deceptive and unable to give whole experience senses. To know, that there are in fact two shadows, same as that there must be two objects to project them. Either that, or that the shadows are without meaning at all.
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Chasm / Re: Underclass
« on: April 29, 2012, 08:02:13 PM »Germany had the right idea, they were just over ambitious, and they got side-tracked by racism. If they had been smarter, they would have taken the American route and created a nation for the Jews, thus moving them out of Germany and gaining an ally in the Middle-East.
What infuriates antisemites so much, including Hitler, was their cultural influence aka degeneracy, which proved hard to fight in developing at the time social, moral and ideological context .As you can see this influence is far from cease long after creation of Israel, not to mention their still very large physical presence outside of its borders. And Nazis, as many before them, got plans to relocate Jews, as someone already mentioned, and at some point supported Zionist parties to convince their people to leave, so it was disagreement among Jews, their reluctance or other difficulties which ultimately pervaded that. While their influence is inferior, artificial and harmful, no, they don't fit the picture of underclass suggested by OP.
And there are those theories, that it was their internal eugenicist practice. Probably most of victims in death camps were those poor, uneducated and dirty Jews from shtetles - ones which likes of Goethe and many others, before development of this modern European inferiority complex, held in highest disregard.
Not to mention all of the Jewish resistance groups which popped up around Europe, further seeking to undermine the Nazis. Completely stupid idea; getting rid of all the Jews. Never mind there might be smart people in there that the Germans could use in their society; nope!
That scale of Jewish resistance is your newest trend in media so don't take it too seriously. Note that their portrayal as a nation is quite dynamic, accordingly to changing times and needs. From passive slaughtered sheeps to wartime heroes. Biggest and most organized resistance during WWII was made by Poles, but unsurprisingly it isn't widespread knowledge - even first reports of Holocaust, about which West wouldn't even want to listen were made by them http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilecki - ironically, guy was later "judicially murdered" by Jewish communist. They were caught lying in so many instances, from initial exaggerated numbers of victims of Holocaust (I remember cruel satirical depiction of it - hailing Nazis standing on top of pile of bodies reaching beyond high orbit, with small distant Earth below) to deceitful or made up personal wartime testimonies, that skepticism now seems rational.
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Chasm / Re: Equality -- how can anyone believe this?
« on: April 22, 2012, 07:05:37 PM »
Particle Physics notes, to its bewilderment, that reality changes, depending upon the one observing it.
Does somebody could elaborate more on it? Describe it maybe?
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Maybe it could be described as such. Because feminity isn't inherently bad, it just shouldn't be carried into some areas of life as it's poisonous there. While ITNE has got soft and beautiful aesthetic, I still wouldn't call it feminized. What is important is still in place as in every other good metal. It has will and proceed in usual manly manner, while Mgła have on its place vanity, passiveness and psychoanalysis.
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It contains emotionality, which can be found elsewhere in modern music, with better expression, while, which is absent also on this recording, metal individualism and emotionality is (almost) nowhere to be found outside of genre. Composition isn't anything exceptional and is, also on level of particular riffs (why they are so weak?), outright effete - like everything else from Twilight to Drudkh. So what's left? It isn't presented in proper way, as I think, that such way, in order to achieve precise goal arbitrarily exist, or at least there were much better attempts in the past. What is presented is not what should be to be relevant, nor even for what it is, if such was its goal, is particularly absorbing. More of a drag und dregs than sturm und drang. It doesn't take enough time to look into what made idea of metal great, while took too much time to look inside modern effete individual and it's "problems", assuming that metal can be what such feminized, deviated and apathetic (not stoic!) individuals wants it to be and that it's theirs to serve their purposes. Their values are different and alien, hence their music must have same traits.
I really don't know how you still get caught by such music, while most of you are clearly familiar with what it's used to, or should be. However, relation of quality of metal to condition of culture is parallel to that of canaries in mines. Metal simply cannot sound differently now.
I really don't know how you still get caught by such music, while most of you are clearly familiar with what it's used to, or should be. However, relation of quality of metal to condition of culture is parallel to that of canaries in mines. Metal simply cannot sound differently now.
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Metal / Re: Black/punk
« on: November 30, 2011, 01:17:19 AM »Wondering if anyone here could rec me some good blackpunx. I'm looking for a similar sound to Bone Awl, Syphilitic Vaginas, Ildjarn, etc.
Terveet Kädet.
Those new hipsters could be better without their "black" pretense and they could end with something like that, something closer to them and with more honesty. Sound is a gimmick.
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Metal / Re: Burzum - Belus
« on: November 30, 2011, 12:28:13 AM »
I know what you mean, I understand pragmatism of New Right. I also think that there is no future in Nazism, I know that it was flawed, not to mention that it is completely discredited today (even if not always its critique is legitimate). As always, I'm doing this for the sake of discussion and clarity and strictness of meanings, ideas and definitions:
Is it because of the very idea of National Socialism or because it places people in bitter, defensive and reactionary position (not much back then, it is rather a problem of today)? Because I think that failures you mentioned aren't inherent to idea itself. Yes, people seem to have hard time with its burden and probably they should be deprived of it. But then again, the same problem is with freedom - understanding it is also too much for most of people, which may led some of us into being pro-totalitarian. And to deprive all of us of all of freedom (including in its sane manifestations).
Nazis played that card most as a populists, but I don't find RABID racism (expulsion of Jews, not necessarily extermination, at that point of history is understandable - sorry) as a necessity to fill definition of National Socialism - concept of race should be there but it can be placed with some dignity. After all, books and studies, which inspired inception of that movement, weren't written by Nazis.
Nazism is not that. In fact, everything it touches turns to waste. Once people step into the mindset of viewing life by race-only, all becomes skewed to that obsession.
Is it because of the very idea of National Socialism or because it places people in bitter, defensive and reactionary position (not much back then, it is rather a problem of today)? Because I think that failures you mentioned aren't inherent to idea itself. Yes, people seem to have hard time with its burden and probably they should be deprived of it. But then again, the same problem is with freedom - understanding it is also too much for most of people, which may led some of us into being pro-totalitarian. And to deprive all of us of all of freedom (including in its sane manifestations).
Nazis played that card most as a populists, but I don't find RABID racism (expulsion of Jews, not necessarily extermination, at that point of history is understandable - sorry) as a necessity to fill definition of National Socialism - concept of race should be there but it can be placed with some dignity. After all, books and studies, which inspired inception of that movement, weren't written by Nazis.
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Metal / Re: Burzum - Belus
« on: November 27, 2011, 03:57:41 PM »
Mostly agreed. There is a real problem with finding something worthy within neo-nazism. However Jews are problematic and destructive to things you proposed as ideals, at least as long as they are operating within other societies. It repeats over and over again, but some still claim that remedy is even more of what created this unhealthy situation. It is - if you want to sacrifice something important or if you are a propagator of unlimited mercifulness. Either we are traditionalists and we know how to take clues from history or lets ignore it entirely and abandon pretense. Nazism didn't destroyed either Absurd, Veles, Graveland or Darkthrone, it helped to reorient spirit of metal from christian dualism. Agree that it was on lower levels of emanation of greater ideas as Reich itself was such simplified and institutionalized lower form. What destroyed their relevancy (Graveland is still solid, it just happens that I don't want to listen to it) is metal life span. As in case of Burzum and Morbid Angel it was conservated/suspended for long time and now it strikes with double force. Carcass, At the Gates, Atrocity, Celtic Frost (there were worse cases but somehow I can't recall them now) - it's the same story but without such hiatus. Darkthrone tried to fight against that. What you're talking about is more similar to problem with skinhead, christian and extreme leftist music. Take all positive inspiration which Third Reich (as more modern connector with the past) could possibly give and leave the rest.
I would say that what it takes to make a change is both love and hatred (full spectrum as many nationalists of 20th century noted) and being social outcast, at least on some spiritual level, but not as a result of weakness, incapability or sociopathy, in a manner of basement dweller. Rather simply as a result of being member of other, smaller caste placed within vast ocean of mediocrity, without cultural tools or social mechanisms to organize it. I think it's unavoidable and natural proportion, let's not pretend anything. They must however work within such context despite of being of other breed. It's also natural and it's their proper function. Fact that you don't love Jesus or thinks that people aren't equal also makes you a social outcast, especially when your surrounding happen to be inferior, which doesn't necessary means that you don't have a point.
I liked that back then:
http://web.archive.org/web/20060107011622/http://www.thepaganfront.com/pf.php?show=articles&article=1
http://web.archive.org/web/20051126155506/http://www.anus.com/metal/about/metal/nsbm_and_black_metal_after_1998.html
And I think that Narrow Squirting Bowel Movement.org was a great testament to absolutely last relevant movement in black metal and a handful of bands (who needs more, after all it was always like that) representing it. And we know that bands originally, actually quite exaggeratedly, maybe maliciously, called N.S.B.M. were different than today's mass produced simple minded nazi/pagan propaganda. It should be brought back. Maybe as a tool against Der Stuermers and Nokturnal Mortums or satanist "nihilists".
As always, sorry for my gradually weakening skill in language.
I would say that what it takes to make a change is both love and hatred (full spectrum as many nationalists of 20th century noted) and being social outcast, at least on some spiritual level, but not as a result of weakness, incapability or sociopathy, in a manner of basement dweller. Rather simply as a result of being member of other, smaller caste placed within vast ocean of mediocrity, without cultural tools or social mechanisms to organize it. I think it's unavoidable and natural proportion, let's not pretend anything. They must however work within such context despite of being of other breed. It's also natural and it's their proper function. Fact that you don't love Jesus or thinks that people aren't equal also makes you a social outcast, especially when your surrounding happen to be inferior, which doesn't necessary means that you don't have a point.
I liked that back then:
http://web.archive.org/web/20060107011622/http://www.thepaganfront.com/pf.php?show=articles&article=1
http://web.archive.org/web/20051126155506/http://www.anus.com/metal/about/metal/nsbm_and_black_metal_after_1998.html
And I think that Narrow Squirting Bowel Movement.org was a great testament to absolutely last relevant movement in black metal and a handful of bands (who needs more, after all it was always like that) representing it. And we know that bands originally, actually quite exaggeratedly, maybe maliciously, called N.S.B.M. were different than today's mass produced simple minded nazi/pagan propaganda. It should be brought back. Maybe as a tool against Der Stuermers and Nokturnal Mortums or satanist "nihilists".
As always, sorry for my gradually weakening skill in language.
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Metal / Metal without equality
« on: November 25, 2011, 12:24:46 AM »
There's an interesting matter which may create another argument for placing ANUS entry on wikipedo, or at least getting it mentioned as a long time historians, cultural researchers, philosophers, contextualizers and simply as one ULTIMATE source on metal. In Wikipedo entry on heavy metal, which by the way became more and more stupid and inclusive, there is a cite note (no. 38) from article now accessible only through web archive since its native site is dead. I think that article itself was discussed or at least linked on this forum few years ago.
http://web.archive.org/web/20080603034818/http://www.divus.cz/umelec/en/pages/umelec.php?id=13&roc=2001&cis=1#clanek
It's a paradox that they mentioned younger (than Anus/DLA) source which in turn mentions Prozac, when primary, superior source is nowhere to be found on whole damn entry. Yet there are plenty articles of lesser significance from short lived sites to support various stupid claims. We know that's because Anus actually evaluate movements and outputs in genre, reject false and irrelevant and simply refuse to distort definition for those unable to fulfill prerequisites for "metal". For them it is everything noisy and distorted (or at least with that certain makeup) and any distinction seems impossible to their rationalist minds, yet they somehow manage to miss composition.
Mr. Prozac, maybe you should finally write a book?
http://web.archive.org/web/20080603034818/http://www.divus.cz/umelec/en/pages/umelec.php?id=13&roc=2001&cis=1#clanek
It's a paradox that they mentioned younger (than Anus/DLA) source which in turn mentions Prozac, when primary, superior source is nowhere to be found on whole damn entry. Yet there are plenty articles of lesser significance from short lived sites to support various stupid claims. We know that's because Anus actually evaluate movements and outputs in genre, reject false and irrelevant and simply refuse to distort definition for those unable to fulfill prerequisites for "metal". For them it is everything noisy and distorted (or at least with that certain makeup) and any distinction seems impossible to their rationalist minds, yet they somehow manage to miss composition.
Mr. Prozac, maybe you should finally write a book?
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Commerce / Occidental Observer writes about Metal
« on: November 08, 2011, 04:07:26 PM »
http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2011/11/revival-of-nordic-consciousness-in-metal-music/
As always with such people, they just don't get it - they need to be fooled by iconography or explicit themes to consider something worthy or of importance to whites.
And somehow idiots in comments section seem to prefer white trash Anselmo and uninspired, hollow music of Amon Amarth or others from irrelevant viking sub genre (probably simply because it's supported by something they actually can understand - over the top, trivial imagery) over the "real" metal.
As always with such people, they just don't get it - they need to be fooled by iconography or explicit themes to consider something worthy or of importance to whites.
And somehow idiots in comments section seem to prefer white trash Anselmo and uninspired, hollow music of Amon Amarth or others from irrelevant viking sub genre (probably simply because it's supported by something they actually can understand - over the top, trivial imagery) over the "real" metal.