To Protector:
Metal as a symbol of rebellion? Another?!
First we got rock, then punk, later rave/techno was about it, and now almost every genre of music is about rebellion. Should metal really need to follow this path? So where (and why) is extremity or uniqueness in metal if it simply follows similiar ideas as people on "love parade"( they are more nihilistic than most of those corpsepainted "sodomizers").
I think, that you know what I'm talking about, because you are close enough to this german circus.

Also I think, that today many definitions are being distorted. Particular groups want some words to have pejorative meaning or loose it's original sense. They are doing it for many purposes. Examples: Nationalism, tolerance, deviation etc.
Tolerance receive freedom to certain groups while leaves other group without freedom of choice of being tolerant or not toward something. It's like we are invaded by this worldview and we must obey to it. So I guess metalhead should be also against such pressure of tolerance and be truly loyal to himself if he think otherwise. To be really "open minded" in my opinion is to see paradoxes in this wide spread demagogy.

Nationalism...I think that Impaled Nazarene are true nationalists. They love their land, culture and they hate "red scum", and I think that's great. But this alone was enough for media to call them nazis (they of course denying opinions about being NS).
So how twisted truth must be and primary meanings perversed? We haven't have such freedom to be nationalists as you claim (sensu loving our fatherland and place business of our country above others...or maybe Impaled should equally with Finland glorify their enemies, "red scum"?)

Reason of these aberrations: to earn money you don't need any ideology,national identity,or sexual orientation. Just work, play (spending money) and shut the fuck up. You can of course have your "unique", "anti-everything" look (that's the point, where your difference from other peons ends) or whatever else, if it satisfy your facile ideas about rebellion or freedom.

About being proud of yourself: I've got enough of seeing morons who are so proud of themselves only because they can( everyone assure them about it) even if there is really nothing to be proud of.

To Protector:
My sources says, that svastika was discovered across whole area populated by indo-european folks or aryans in other words, so where's the paradox?

About USA: in case you didn't notice there is difference between imperialism and totalitarism(sensu nazism, fascism or in its worse incarnation: communism). Comparing USA to Third Reich is a fucking insult to both sides. USA have imperialistic tendencies while being multicultural, liberal, democratic and capitalistic and for sure have nothing in common with any form of national socialism.

Nazis are usually morons. But people considering themselves as satanists with all those hatefull statements are not so far from there either. Sodomy, total nihilism (in most obvious meaning, not in that nice and polished ANUS version) and simple hedonism as a solution to what (as presented by most idiotic bands which for sure doesn't use this words as a metaphor)? They should be happy in modern society, because mindles pleasures (granted by money = bait of capitalism) and fuck values, ideas and differences attitude are prevailing tendencies here. Should NS and satanism be rejected from metal?
My conclusion is that we can find beauty in both (and create poetry or even philosophy of it) if only we can see through simplistic functions they seem to attend in social mentality today.

You wrote that you don't want any fasistic leader to make decisions for you. I always think, that your music express some kind nostalgia after ancient times (no matter historic or fantastic), times, when you can be led by such a leader, when you may at most call him despotic, but never fasistic because such classification is against any logic in those simple(sensu delusionless) times. But i guess i was wrong, it was only my impression...At the end only you can for sure tell what your music is about.

Just like i wrote before J-e-w-s were nationalists and it help their culture and unique DNA survive...
Don't be silly thinking that your coworker ever gonna tell you that he supports genocide practiced by those bastards in Israel, even if you realize that it is necessary for them to keep their territory. Besides, people who lives outside of their country for too long, usually lose ability to comprehend situation in it.

Protector, could you share your opinions about various forms of satanism (using Satan as a metaphor of individualism, LaVeyan, "misantrophic anti-life chaotic suicidal", or using as a opposite in a manner i described before).
Don't get me wrong i know that you don't consider yourself as a satanist and don't use that kind of imagery but i'm really interested about your view on it. Also you deal with many bands (many of them being probably psychos, uncreative morons that simply can't find other topic than satan and anti-christianity to write lyrics or people angry on christianity because it stand against their simple hedonism) and probably had some good conversations with them where they were more honest than usually.
Maybe your answers will change course of this thread from "my knowlege about history is more esoteric than yours".

Anyway Born for banning took for example of improvement bands that made improvements on metal or was at least good a decade or so before.
I think that they can't improve anything anymore.
Who cared what will be next move of Thrash bands when Death were at its greatest and with yet another genre becoming more visible to audience?

Popularity creates various pressures and temptations with various effects on music.

I would appreciate if someone can show me some examples of improvements(and describes them) in metal(especially DM) over last five years.And my intention here is not mockery or talkin' about how metal gone bad, but real hope to find something worthy.

Maybe behind some of NS bands stand something more than politics. Of course those who sing about Hitler or NSDAP and make poor oi! or hc with black elements in order to amuse skins at concerts should be reject.
But maybe some of them are just fed up with this form of liberal society, its values(or virtually lack of values), failings of democracy and want oppose something extreme to it, something with greater meaning like ancestry, heritage, heroism, nationalism. There is some analogy between them and for example Slayer who adopt ocultistic symbols, inverted crosses and wrote "satanistic" lyrics as a extremity opposed to symbols of christianity to make clear statement like: we had enough of christian weakness, hypocrisy or oppression, we're about something other than christianity. They as we all know weren't satanists by any standards. But if you want  clear statement use extremes to make it clear.You probably end up as being wrong accused but fuck that! It's extreme metal!
Hating christians is a obvious cliché of metal genre because it is accepted not only by metalheads but also large part of society. I doubt that there is still any real emotion behind it. Still sharing some ideas with NS or ANUS brand of racism is banned.
Still Jew is a Jew and Gypsy is Gypsy thanks to nationalism within their groups. They have their tradition, national identity and they don't want assimilate with others. I see this as a strenght which enable them to survive albeit they doesn't have their country for so many years. This so caled chosen people are greatest racists on Earth. But they just taking care of themselves. Everyone else is acting like fuckin' hippies or worse instead of taking lesson of "extreme" worldview that claim that nationalism or at last some components of it are worthy. Metalheads should particularly but istead they are under influence of "tolerant" society groupthinking in same way as people were under christian moral boundaries few decades ago when inverted cross shocked mainstream audience.