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Metal / Re: Metal is 100% derived from classical
« on: October 12, 2007, 01:17:27 AM »
Of course metal not invented it (in sense that metal musicians were not first musicians in history to play this technique). I wanted to point that metal invented it for its own genre, its own language around year 1985. And rest of the world still have no clue how to take advantage of it. In its distorted, fluid form is still domain of metal.

But also I doubt that metal developed it through study of balalaika or mandolina players. It was rather developed through that "sepultura way" - as a carrier of degenerated classical melody. Quite independently. So maybe "within" isn't necessarily a bad word here.

Metal / Re: Metal is 100% derived from classical
« on: October 11, 2007, 11:29:54 PM »
Never forget about most alienating (along with blastbeats), bastard technique of metal - so called tremolo picking. It is still almost exclusively used in metal, after about 25 years from its iception in genre.
One of the first and best examples of utilization tremolo picking was on Sepultura's Morbid Visions.
But their brand of tremolo wasn't used to just achieve rapid repetition of notes. That kind of tremolo was in usage at least since faster heavy metal bands (usually on blank string between chords) and faster punk (usually on lowest note of  chords). But Sepultura sounds rather like they were trying to imitate that droning sounds of bowed string instruments on electric guitar! That "invention" enabled creation of riffs consisting not only from chords and arpeggios but also from short, simple violin or cello like melodies. Quite unorthodox look on guitar but it was the only way for uneducated in music theory teenager to be closer to classics. They probably heard that kind of tremolos at first on Hell Awaits. And they certainly were influenced by or at least wanted to have something in common with classical music (as can be heard in composition at least on Morbid Visions and Shisophrenia, as being said by band members in interviews for zines in '80, and by that sample after Empire of the Damned).

Metal / Re: Infester's influences?
« on: August 26, 2007, 10:41:56 AM »
Probably also Disembowelment and Seattle's doom/sludge scene...

Metal / Re: Death to all hipsters
« on: August 14, 2007, 05:40:12 PM »
Metal is part goth.
Goth in what meaning?
Like gothic literature or gothic music?
Because all significant metal bands were long ago playing when gothic rock started.
Carefull with claims like that...I've heard too many times that black metal is "hardcore goth".

VNV Nation?Please...Some countries just drown in this shit. Like I just said it's just exotic and it's going to fade away quickly.

Metal / Re: Misfits / Danzig
« on: August 14, 2007, 10:15:07 AM »
Their "explicit melody" I can't stand because it is too rock&roll/rockabilly to me (they probably like it that way so...). Worst band from your list and most popular.

Metal / Re: Noisecore
« on: August 14, 2007, 09:52:09 AM »
Cybergrind offers even more onslaught but it is essentialy grindcore first played on traditional instruments and then distorted beyond recognition and/or with samples added.

Metal / Re: Careful not to offend
« on: August 14, 2007, 09:30:10 AM »
Grind and its hybrids are more popular than "archaic" concepts of metal, because grind in most cases is just extremalisation of loud angry punk music and nothing more. It is its image.
To me grind is just screamingly leftist. It is not a good alternatve to "monetarily driven western world". Took leftist approach is the easy way. They should seek deeper to be really anti.

Metal borrowed certain elements from grind (which was necessary) but there is nothing valluable left in this music that metal could use to make itself better.

Metal / Re: Death metal and jazz
« on: August 14, 2007, 08:52:48 AM »
You all seem to overinterpretate word "influence".
Jazz did not influenced punk musically, did not influenced it ideologically nor even "spiritually".
Jazz musicians after about 70 years of progress (to point when punk became visible) explored almost all musical grounds, so practically you can take ANY artist and find him some supposed precursor in jazz.

Metal / Re: Death metal and jazz
« on: August 08, 2007, 06:13:46 PM »
About thread "glory of death-jazz":
metalhead posting there was uneducated on both sides and often silly in his arguments. I don't want to mention all his mistakes if he can't even notice when someone overtly insult him.
But those so called well educated musicians were far worse. I specially like this guy who bash death metal because it doesn't swing and because of that he can't get laid. In his world point of all music is being ambient for sex. It corresponds greatly with statements like "Jazz is the most sophisticated music that exists".
Questioning jazz superiority on any field is offending their black ancestors who lived for 200 years as a slaves.
Jazz is holocaust.

Metal / Re: Death to all hipsters
« on: August 03, 2007, 03:00:56 PM »
In Europe this genre is often asociated with so called goth scene ( but you must remember that european gothic is something different than american) and share all failings with it.
Same as in metal. Scene creates them, not thoughts. They rather follow trends than message in music itself.
I think that many people here likes this music because this is something exotic for them, but sometimes, when you know environment of music  and what creates it, you began to understand its ordinarity.

Metal / Re: Pantera's hair metal past
« on: June 24, 2007, 09:08:40 PM »
Pantera is good only for retards who thinks, that metal means just more distorted and heavier hard rock. Their music doesn't have structure of metal (even in comparison to Metallica or Exhorder). Empty, boring music, which display only some fake emotions.

About their queerness...This should not be given as a argument against their music because there is a certain number of musicians in bands listed in ANUS which behaviour or look is dubious to me. Just look at Maniac or bastards from Dark Funeral! Does blinded by blasphemy Ledney crossed the line? Fuck! It's a pity, but even my Altars of Madness booklet contains some queerish/glam photos (particularly Azagtoth)! Not to mention fucking Halford who always have that gaybar appearance and many musicians who became queerish after leaving metal (David Vincent). Maybe it was their attempt to break social taboo or transcend beyond all rules, I don't know...

Same with heroin addiction. What about   Meyhna'ch from Mutiilation, Doc from Vader or Reimer from Morpheus Descends? Many metal musicians looks like junkies. How many of them uses heroin at least from time to time?

Also especially junkies have often this "i don't care/i'm bisexual" attitude from well known reasons (a rule that is true from Burroughs to Anselmo as we can see).

Metal / Re: Summoning make stand against fascism
« on: June 08, 2007, 12:48:07 AM »
To Protector:
Metal as a symbol of rebellion? Another?!
First we got rock, then punk, later rave/techno was about it, and now almost every genre of music is about rebellion. Should metal really need to follow this path? So where (and why) is extremity or uniqueness in metal if it simply follows similiar ideas as people on "love parade"( they are more nihilistic than most of those corpsepainted "sodomizers").
I think, that you know what I'm talking about, because you are close enough to this german circus.

Also I think, that today many definitions are being distorted. Particular groups want some words to have pejorative meaning or loose it's original sense. They are doing it for many purposes. Examples: Nationalism, tolerance, deviation etc.
Tolerance receive freedom to certain groups while leaves other group without freedom of choice of being tolerant or not toward something. It's like we are invaded by this worldview and we must obey to it. So I guess metalhead should be also against such pressure of tolerance and be truly loyal to himself if he think otherwise. To be really "open minded" in my opinion is to see paradoxes in this wide spread demagogy.

Nationalism...I think that Impaled Nazarene are true nationalists. They love their land, culture and they hate "red scum", and I think that's great. But this alone was enough for media to call them nazis (they of course denying opinions about being NS).
So how twisted truth must be and primary meanings perversed? We haven't have such freedom to be nationalists as you claim (sensu loving our fatherland and place business of our country above others...or maybe Impaled should equally with Finland glorify their enemies, "red scum"?)

Reason of these aberrations: to earn money you don't need any ideology,national identity,or sexual orientation. Just work, play (spending money) and shut the fuck up. You can of course have your "unique", "anti-everything" look (that's the point, where your difference from other peons ends) or whatever else, if it satisfy your facile ideas about rebellion or freedom.

About being proud of yourself: I've got enough of seeing morons who are so proud of themselves only because they can( everyone assure them about it) even if there is really nothing to be proud of.

Metal / Re: Summoning make stand against fascism
« on: June 05, 2007, 11:45:00 PM »
About Azatoth previous notes:
If someone want to be a plitician he must bathe in shit. Others won't let you change anything, because they gonna defend their comfortable order by any means. It's just too many of them, and system seems unshakably established.

About darvinism: social darvinism, while seems parallel to natural, is in fact inversion of it. You can't even openly fight against threats or enemies. Illusoric and unstable laws creates confusion and paradoxes. In nature those who are most adaptated to environment will survive, but its barely half of the success. Other half is their freedom to do everything that is necessary, unaffected by morality, law (other than death), conscience, gods, to achieve goal, even if it means destroyng the world (this "selfishness"we firmly inherit from animals). In society if you are conformed to it as you claim, when somebody oppress you you must take some formal way to resolve problem or you gonna be punished.

You say that being most adaptated to society is, by darvin's law survival of the strongest (now conformity is a strenght?) while i say, that true darvinism is, that while being fit to environment, you should throw your will against entire world. That makes you leader, and that kind of specimens are truly the strongest. Leaders do not obey other's will (they are creating rules), weak specimens do that.

Metal / Re: Summoning make stand against fascism
« on: June 02, 2007, 08:24:32 PM »
To Protector:
My sources says, that svastika was discovered across whole area populated by indo-european folks or aryans in other words, so where's the paradox?

About USA: in case you didn't notice there is difference between imperialism and totalitarism(sensu nazism, fascism or in its worse incarnation: communism). Comparing USA to Third Reich is a fucking insult to both sides. USA have imperialistic tendencies while being multicultural, liberal, democratic and capitalistic and for sure have nothing in common with any form of national socialism.

Nazis are usually morons. But people considering themselves as satanists with all those hatefull statements are not so far from there either. Sodomy, total nihilism (in most obvious meaning, not in that nice and polished ANUS version) and simple hedonism as a solution to what (as presented by most idiotic bands which for sure doesn't use this words as a metaphor)? They should be happy in modern society, because mindles pleasures (granted by money = bait of capitalism) and fuck values, ideas and differences attitude are prevailing tendencies here. Should NS and satanism be rejected from metal?
My conclusion is that we can find beauty in both (and create poetry or even philosophy of it) if only we can see through simplistic functions they seem to attend in social mentality today.

You wrote that you don't want any fasistic leader to make decisions for you. I always think, that your music express some kind nostalgia after ancient times (no matter historic or fantastic), times, when you can be led by such a leader, when you may at most call him despotic, but never fasistic because such classification is against any logic in those simple(sensu delusionless) times. But i guess i was wrong, it was only my impression...At the end only you can for sure tell what your music is about.

Just like i wrote before J-e-w-s were nationalists and it help their culture and unique DNA survive...
Don't be silly thinking that your coworker ever gonna tell you that he supports genocide practiced by those bastards in Israel, even if you realize that it is necessary for them to keep their territory. Besides, people who lives outside of their country for too long, usually lose ability to comprehend situation in it.

Metal / Re: Summoning make stand against fascism
« on: May 15, 2007, 10:09:11 AM »
Hitler gone bad because he invade all world to prove his beliefs about supremacy of aryan race and to stretch teritorry of germany instead of building up his nation and strenghten it within its borders.

Nationalism isn't about building another aushwitz or destroying your neighbours. There was a lot of nationalism before fascism or nazism. It was takin' care about business of your country/ethnic group/tribe.Nationalism is making a good decisions
unaffected with false kindness to people or groups that happens to be unworthy.

It is typicall that usually well established countries don't bother about being nationalistic because they feel so settled. Then they gonna accept immigrants with open hands and give them everyhing they want even at cost of "native" interest. In meantime immigrants become parasites taking profits and sometimes living in isolated "ghettos" cos they don't want to assimilate(nationalists?) with "natives"(see Belgium for example). Or politicians can't took even deeper breath without some reaction from all fucked up minorities which start to act as or even became a majority(see France). But they give them erlier permision cos they were so fucking populistic/democratic/tolerant/capitalistic etc.
And now Belgium took off funds given in various forms to immigrants because society become pissed about their crimes and worried economy.
Same in Germany. Does Germans loves Turkeys?
or maybe they more of angry on themselves that they allowed current situation to come?

Internal enemies can easily destroy country which are unaware or bagatellizing them. Or making some sort of appeasment.
Nationalism is a strenght and minorities know this truth very well.

Btw my questions about satanism can be potentially
consequential in creating new arguments on this thread...but nevermind.

Protector: doesn't in Austria, some time ago some kind of elections was won by some neo-nazi guy and his party(i may confuse something here)?
This would tell a lot about people that live there and their beliefs (nostalgia?)...

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