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Metal / Re: Summoning make stand against fascism
« on: June 02, 2007, 01:24:32 PM »
To Protector:
My sources says, that svastika was discovered across whole area populated by indo-european folks or aryans in other words, so where's the paradox?

About USA: in case you didn't notice there is difference between imperialism and totalitarism(sensu nazism, fascism or in its worse incarnation: communism). Comparing USA to Third Reich is a fucking insult to both sides. USA have imperialistic tendencies while being multicultural, liberal, democratic and capitalistic and for sure have nothing in common with any form of national socialism.

Nazis are usually morons. But people considering themselves as satanists with all those hatefull statements are not so far from there either. Sodomy, total nihilism (in most obvious meaning, not in that nice and polished ANUS version) and simple hedonism as a solution to what (as presented by most idiotic bands which for sure doesn't use this words as a metaphor)? They should be happy in modern society, because mindles pleasures (granted by money = bait of capitalism) and fuck values, ideas and differences attitude are prevailing tendencies here. Should NS and satanism be rejected from metal?
My conclusion is that we can find beauty in both (and create poetry or even philosophy of it) if only we can see through simplistic functions they seem to attend in social mentality today.

You wrote that you don't want any fasistic leader to make decisions for you. I always think, that your music express some kind nostalgia after ancient times (no matter historic or fantastic), times, when you can be led by such a leader, when you may at most call him despotic, but never fasistic because such classification is against any logic in those simple(sensu delusionless) times. But i guess i was wrong, it was only my impression...At the end only you can for sure tell what your music is about.

Just like i wrote before J-e-w-s were nationalists and it help their culture and unique DNA survive...
Don't be silly thinking that your coworker ever gonna tell you that he supports genocide practiced by those bastards in Israel, even if you realize that it is necessary for them to keep their territory. Besides, people who lives outside of their country for too long, usually lose ability to comprehend situation in it.

Metal / Re: Summoning make stand against fascism
« on: May 15, 2007, 03:09:11 AM »
Hitler gone bad because he invade all world to prove his beliefs about supremacy of aryan race and to stretch teritorry of germany instead of building up his nation and strenghten it within its borders.

Nationalism isn't about building another aushwitz or destroying your neighbours. There was a lot of nationalism before fascism or nazism. It was takin' care about business of your country/ethnic group/tribe.Nationalism is making a good decisions
unaffected with false kindness to people or groups that happens to be unworthy.

It is typicall that usually well established countries don't bother about being nationalistic because they feel so settled. Then they gonna accept immigrants with open hands and give them everyhing they want even at cost of "native" interest. In meantime immigrants become parasites taking profits and sometimes living in isolated "ghettos" cos they don't want to assimilate(nationalists?) with "natives"(see Belgium for example). Or politicians can't took even deeper breath without some reaction from all fucked up minorities which start to act as or even became a majority(see France). But they give them erlier permision cos they were so fucking populistic/democratic/tolerant/capitalistic etc.
And now Belgium took off funds given in various forms to immigrants because society become pissed about their crimes and worried economy.
Same in Germany. Does Germans loves Turkeys?
or maybe they more of angry on themselves that they allowed current situation to come?

Internal enemies can easily destroy country which are unaware or bagatellizing them. Or making some sort of appeasment.
Nationalism is a strenght and minorities know this truth very well.

Btw my questions about satanism can be potentially
consequential in creating new arguments on this thread...but nevermind.

Protector: doesn't in Austria, some time ago some kind of elections was won by some neo-nazi guy and his party(i may confuse something here)?
This would tell a lot about people that live there and their beliefs (nostalgia?)...

Metal / Re: Summoning make stand against fascism
« on: May 14, 2007, 04:24:17 AM »
Protector, could you share your opinions about various forms of satanism (using Satan as a metaphor of individualism, LaVeyan, "misantrophic anti-life chaotic suicidal", or using as a opposite in a manner i described before).
Don't get me wrong i know that you don't consider yourself as a satanist and don't use that kind of imagery but i'm really interested about your view on it. Also you deal with many bands (many of them being probably psychos, uncreative morons that simply can't find other topic than satan and anti-christianity to write lyrics or people angry on christianity because it stand against their simple hedonism) and probably had some good conversations with them where they were more honest than usually.
Maybe your answers will change course of this thread from "my knowlege about history is more esoteric than yours".

Metal / Re: Salem releases new video
« on: May 12, 2007, 03:41:24 PM »
So it seems that Jewish people simply can't transcend.
Bands from country that SUFFERED MOST during WWII(and suffered greatly even half age after it) can create things that are beyond gears of martyrology. But Jewish people apparently are unable to do such a thing. J-e-w-i-s-h artists are usualy narrow minded and monothematic. Their insolent message and intentions have obvious purpose...I think its called a NATIONALISM.

Metal / Re: Metal improving in 2007
« on: May 06, 2007, 04:03:32 AM »
Anyway Born for banning took for example of improvement bands that made improvements on metal or was at least good a decade or so before.
I think that they can't improve anything anymore.
Who cared what will be next move of Thrash bands when Death were at its greatest and with yet another genre becoming more visible to audience?

Popularity creates various pressures and temptations with various effects on music.

I would appreciate if someone can show me some examples of improvements(and describes them) in metal(especially DM) over last five years.And my intention here is not mockery or talkin' about how metal gone bad, but real hope to find something worthy.

Metal / Re: Metal improving in 2007
« on: May 06, 2007, 01:58:28 AM »
It is a small improvement indeed.
New Immolation is better than Harnessing Ruin.
Some great and crazy riffs populate this album
but those loud nu metal leads which they start to develop since Close to a world below are still here in excess and simplify their music. Some grooves and disssonances also sound like taken from nu metal definition. It's the structures that made Here in After Death Metal albeit sound is similiar to those
hybrid albums they relased later.
I see some analogy to new Slayer.
They try to keep their trademark sound or feel but made flat structures within music itself. Also by plastic aggression in music and "angry" lyrics following trend of describing hot topics and isuess of U.S. they can only comunicate on very limited levels and mostly with morons.

New Suffocation is also better than previous relase.
They didn't wimp out. That's good. But there's no need to do that because their new audience (metalcore) isn't that far from their current style and attitude(well, they are New Yorkers so it's natural i guess).They may call Suffocation s/t a Pierced from Within 2 but still while it has quite large amoun of great stuff from that album, it has also some terrible and shameless parts. I think, that they just begin to degenerate into some form of metalcore/Biohazard type of music, or as a alternative, they will continue on relasing spiritless repeatings of themselves(like Immolation). Maybe there is no escape from your native scene influences?

Metal / Re: Summoning make stand against fascism
« on: May 01, 2007, 05:35:26 PM »
Maybe behind some of NS bands stand something more than politics. Of course those who sing about Hitler or NSDAP and make poor oi! or hc with black elements in order to amuse skins at concerts should be reject.
But maybe some of them are just fed up with this form of liberal society, its values(or virtually lack of values), failings of democracy and want oppose something extreme to it, something with greater meaning like ancestry, heritage, heroism, nationalism. There is some analogy between them and for example Slayer who adopt ocultistic symbols, inverted crosses and wrote "satanistic" lyrics as a extremity opposed to symbols of christianity to make clear statement like: we had enough of christian weakness, hypocrisy or oppression, we're about something other than christianity. They as we all know weren't satanists by any standards. But if you want  clear statement use extremes to make it clear.You probably end up as being wrong accused but fuck that! It's extreme metal!
Hating christians is a obvious cliché of metal genre because it is accepted not only by metalheads but also large part of society. I doubt that there is still any real emotion behind it. Still sharing some ideas with NS or ANUS brand of racism is banned.
Still Jew is a Jew and Gypsy is Gypsy thanks to nationalism within their groups. They have their tradition, national identity and they don't want assimilate with others. I see this as a strenght which enable them to survive albeit they doesn't have their country for so many years. This so caled chosen people are greatest racists on Earth. But they just taking care of themselves. Everyone else is acting like fuckin' hippies or worse instead of taking lesson of "extreme" worldview that claim that nationalism or at last some components of it are worthy. Metalheads should particularly but istead they are under influence of "tolerant" society groupthinking in same way as people were under christian moral boundaries few decades ago when inverted cross shocked mainstream audience.

Metal / Re: Summoning make stand against fascism
« on: May 01, 2007, 01:38:53 PM »
Greetings to all!
I think that its good for band to be detached from most obvious political movements. Most NS bands or on the other hand punk/hc/grind became tools to spread various beliefs attached to political scenes. Effect is hate propaganda/dumb protest-songs. But political message is most visible to us in bands that have nationalist stance while we almost ignore communist/liberal/egalitarian/anarchistic/pro-homosexual statements. Values reppresented by the latter become so vide-world spread and common in most societies that they are seen as the only way we can live. In fact liberal/democratic groups and their musical scenes are more and more radical and oppressive against certain beliefs.
They preach tolerance to all those most shitty "differences" and in the same time despise
people for not following their brand of group thinking.

To me this lyric by Brutal Truth is more clear ideologicaly(leftist) manifestation than Infester's(racist or maybe NS) verses in vein of "repulsive ebony flesh":


Ignorant in thought
Distorts your twisted values
Break your ancient chains
And part with the ways of the past
You don't have the right
To force your own opinion
You don't understand
So you have to lash


We believe in freedom
Whatever turns you on
Life is short and full of woe
So you have yourself a blast
I may not be gay
But I don't care if you are
Live your life in peace
And fuck them if they laugh

Its from their official website.

In my opinion Brutal Truth(while i enjoy their early albums and they somewhat transcend grind) are when compared to Infester less artistic if someone want to rate it this way. But it's Infester who "were blacklisted for their political beliefs" even by Anus.

It's just a bad habbit when somebody see one extremity and stay blind for other.

To Protector:I think that You would really enjoy Infester if You give it a try.

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