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Metal / Re: Best metal releases of 2011
« on: December 11, 2011, 06:34:27 AM »
Inquisition - Ominous Doctrines
Ritual Necromancy - Oath of the Abyss
Gridlink - Orphan
Column of Heaven - Demo
...& all the others already mentioned.

Hopefully the new Teitanblood EP will be good. Not out till late December though.

Interzone / Re: ✠
« on: December 11, 2011, 05:41:51 AM »
Conservationist, I disagree with your point of view. The core philosophical messages of Christianity are, and always have been, egalitarianism and the profanity of our existence. If Christianity in Europe in the Late Antique and/or Middle Ages had some attractive features reminiscent of paganism, it is only indicative of a period of transition, when the practices and aesthetics of pre-Christian Europe had yet to be fully brought into line with the core weltanschauung of Xianity. We are now seeing, in our time, the full flowering of the core Xian doctrine. Egalitarianism = democracy, nomocracy, mass imigration, racial/cultural miscegenation; profanity of existence = ecocide, mass social anomie, atheism, excessive materialism.

Interzone / Re: ✠
« on: December 11, 2011, 05:27:35 AM »
I would argue that the veneration of saints stems from a natural instinct toward pagan ancestor worship. Thoughts?
Or both are just indicative of general cultic behaviour?

...that has manifested itself in the worship of a hippie egalitarian Jesus, who's concept of 'loving everyone' is pandering to the short term immediately obvious benefits instead of looking at the bigger picture.
Strange statement. Christianity is about the worship of Christ. The message of Christ, as transmited to us through the apostles, is one of egalitarianism, and praise for the weak and poor. It's not a modern corruption, that has always been the core message of Christianity.

You are never going to replace Christianity with paganism in a white majority country. It is always going to be a dominant force.
I disagree. One may not be able to actively replace it, but then actively dis/replacing a religion is a very difficult, perhaps one of the most difficult tasks imaginable, and in general, the path to religious change isn't that one dimensional. Instead, it seems quite possible that Christianity could lose its cultural and spiritual credibility due to the popularity of other ideas and its inability to relate to contemporary needs and circumstances.

Black metal raged against Christianity because Christianity had turned into something sick
I don't think I've ever read an interview with a black metal band which expresses this view. This is clearly your own view, presented as a truism with no evidence at all.

Metal / Re: Where is all the *high-quality* Pagan Black Metal?
« on: November 20, 2011, 04:27:55 AM »
I think its part of a wider phenomenon of the marginalisation of Pagan BM, perhaps to do with its inevitable Nat Soc association, but also, I think, because Satanic themes are 'safe' and fairly reundant as a form of protest in a largely secular civilisation. Hence Satanic BM is more marketable and attracts higher production/presentation values to capitalise on its marketability. Any takers?
Sorry, but this is bullshit.  It's always going to be easier to convince lots of slightly nerdy teenagers to buy into some cheesy faux-pagan stuff hidden behind some fake intellectualism than it is something as universally laughed at as Satanism.

I disagree, if Satanism were less marketable why would so many more of the biggest selling extreme metal bands have Satanic or occult themes or aesthetics than pagan ones, for example Deicide, Slayer, Morbid Angel. Just think about the fortune Marilyn Manson made by declaring himself the Anti-Christ Superstar. Not to mention the plethora of films and books in popular culture that contain Christian conceptions of evil and devils/demons. I think the truth is that Satanism is a safe rebellion because it affirms biblical morality, albeit negatively, and continues the essentially dualist monotheistic philosophy.

As for why the professionalism of satanic black metal is generally higher- because most of the sellout Pagan bands have gone into "folk metal" or whatever that half-polka shit that's saturating Finland nowadays is called, while there's no other scene for a sell-out band like Watain to go other than black metal.
Aye, I suppose Pagan/Folk Metal has diverted a lot of resources away from Pagan Black Metal.

Metal / Re: MIDNIGHT ODYSSEY new album
« on: November 07, 2011, 12:38:34 PM »
I don't think I heard a single metal riff on this whole album. Someone needs to tell bands like this that you achieve atmosphere through writing eerie riffs and haunting melodies, not by turning your holy grail reverb pedal up full tilt. All that achieves is a flat, featureless sound. I don't get why this is any better than your average 'atmospheric' Blah Metal record. There are some decent melodies, but not enough for two hours, and personally I think these work best in the sections without guitar - i.e. I don't think he is a (good) metal musician. Sometimes it reminded me of dead can dance, which is nice. Oh, and I think he pinched the vocal rhythm & melody for 'Lost' from 'In the Pines' by Leadbelly (or the cover version by Nirvana), which is funny.

Metal / Re: Through Silver In Blood
« on: September 09, 2011, 11:55:51 AM »
I'm thinking that part of the problem which (extreme) metallers may have with Neurosis is that metallers are used to guitar playing which falls between two conventional poles of style; the technically proficient (best exemplified by technical DM), and the simplistic melodic (best exemplified by certain norwegian BM bands). To my mind, Neurosis display neither technical ability nor even a command of simple melody. In my opinion they seem more concerned with the guitar as a rhythmic and tonal intrument. They use very rhythmic riffing, accentuated by having very little in the way of melody, to command strong senses of drive, force, peace and calm. As for the tonal side, they generally use assonance and dissonance of tone, rather than melody, to give atmosphere. The tribal, almost poly-rhythmic style of drumming, accentuates former side of the guitar playing whilst the use of droning instruments, such as organ-synthesizer, violin and bagpipes, accentuates the latter.

I think this approach to guitar playing has a lot more to do with their hardcore roots than their metal ones. Personally I think their guitar playing is strongly influenced by the emphasis on driving rhythms found in the likes of Discharge and Doom, and also the use of almost melody-free riffing for song bulding by Amebix or Axegrinder. In fact, I hear a lot of Amebix in Neurosis.

Interzone / Re: Blog comments
« on: September 04, 2011, 03:54:40 AM »
Who's Ken Lee?

Interzone / Re: Reading-up on Egalitarianism
« on: August 21, 2011, 05:02:55 AM »
Thanks Ginungafap, that'll give me a good start I'm sure.

Interzone / Reading-up on Egalitarianism
« on: August 18, 2011, 11:43:47 AM »
Could anyone recommend me a book or books on the subject of egalitarianism? Both the history and philosophy of, either for or against. I'm finding it much harder to research than I had expected.

Interzone / Re: Amebix - Knights of the Black Sun
« on: June 10, 2011, 12:45:22 PM »
I find the music and the video really clichéd. I could maybe stand this sort of thing once on the album but if its all like this then I won't be listening to it much at all.  Complete mis-use of ogham script in the video, which really annoys me. Terrible video.

Metal / Re: METALION releases SLAYER MAGAZINE compilation
« on: May 05, 2011, 03:34:33 PM »
Ooft! Expensive for worldwide customers.

Interzone / Re: Hilarity of herd behavior
« on: May 01, 2011, 03:05:07 PM »
This is an interesting subject. While I don't personally like names like Destiny, Faith, Hope etc., I think that they may in fact be much closer to traditional European practice than picking a name from history. Traditional European names were often a word or words that would have been more or less understood by the societies to which they belonged. Beginning from the High Middle Ages onwards those names became fossilised while language moved on, hence their meanings were no longer understood and they were picked instead for their genealogical/historical connotations more and more. Then as the Middle Ages progressed Biblical names increasingly came into popularity. If you really wanted to be like traditional Europeans you would call your sons Red-King or Elf-Council or Tribe-Ruler instead of Ruaidhrí/Rory or Aelfraed/Alfred or Theoderic/Dietrich.

Metal / Re: "Solar Metal", "Sun Metal", or something along those lines
« on: April 24, 2011, 09:54:31 AM »
Am I the only one that hears a strong swedish influence? Sacramentum and Dissection? Liking it. I think it is remarkably fluid.

Metal / Re: darker side of classical music
« on: April 24, 2011, 07:36:43 AM »
For a long time I've tried to break into classical without much success. I think my problem is that I too have been looking for a level or a type of darkness which I presumed was there but which I have simply not been able to find. As others have suggested here, I think that if you are looking for the kind of darkness you find in metal music then you're goingt o be disappointed. In future I'll be approaching classical with a more open mind.

In modern classical and minimal, however, you can find a sustained and brooding darkness and melancholy akin to what you find in metal. I would suggest you start with Arvo Part' Tabula Rasa and maybe Henryck Gorecki's Symphony No.3 and String Quartet No.1. You're likely to recognise some sections from films. My suggestion is to take on board the critism of modern classical you read here but don't let it deter you from finding out for yourself. After all, it doesn't cost you anything to download it and decide for yourself. I should say, I haven't yet found the kind of heroic darkness you find in metal, except maybe in The Planets by Holst, which have been mentioned above, but then again I haven't been looking very long.

Metal / Re: Organ music
« on: April 23, 2011, 04:19:06 AM »
I know its not to most people's tastes here, but I saw Charlemagne Palestine perform a six-hour organ piece in a church in London a few years back. It was very powerful and very disorientating, I started having audio hallucinations after a while.

Anyway, at the end he took a few moments to speak to the audience and make some interesting points. Firstly, he wanted to point out that the sound he had generated was as vast and as loud, if not more so, than any other performance we had ever heard or were ever likely to hear and that this had all been achieved without a single bit of electricity. Secondly, he reminded us that a great many churches have these instruments, at least one in every city, yet they are generally inaccessible to performers and music lovers a-like. Ever since then I've been itching to hear another church organ performance. I know I could probably head down to the cathedral this easter sunday and catch a bit but the emphasis wouldn't be on the organ, it would all be on this jesus fella and that.

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