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Interzone / Re: Europe and America
« on: May 12, 2010, 05:21:53 AM »
And, again, Europe continues to benefit enormously from American technological and economic dynamism.  Western and Central Europe haven't produced a meaningful technical breakthrough since the first half of the last century, because Europe's political and social environment is structured to discourage risk-taking, capital investment and everything else that makes American-style dynamism possible.  American companies foot the bill (and gain the greatest rewards) for innovation, while Europeans leech off that innovation to maintain a semblance of economic productivity.

the only completely accurate aspect of that post is America footing the bill for innovation.  very little technological innovation takes place in America anymore, and for all intents and purpose that can be traced to the decline of manufacturing.  if not for the ability to basically conceive money out of thin air, America actually creates very little.  its strength is in exerting its economic muscle to obtain (some might say exploit) the technological achievements of foreign interests.  while America has been historically all too happy to invest freely, it's in a position now where it absolutely has to rely on advancements taking place outside the country in order to keep up with demand.  this isn't all down to the lazy American lifestyle either; American economic policy has very carefully and effectively priced its own people out of the tech sector in order to, it hoped, buy on the cheap.  but to come back to the original point, America is no longer by any means a major world power in any manufacturing-reliant sector. America does continue to do one thing better than any other country, however: spend lots of money. 

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Interzone / Re: Europe and America
« on: May 10, 2010, 05:02:38 PM »
America is perceived hostilely by Europe (and the rest of the world) because the public perception is that Americans are a bunch of fat, arrogant, overpaid, underqualified, unmotivated mouthbreathers.  In a great many cases, American culture is promoted utilizing shining examples of most of the aforementioned adjectives.  Is this an absolute truth about America?  No.  But we don't make a great effort to better that public image.  In the meantime you ignorant foreigners, shut up and buy another Ke$ha record.

You'll notice those who descend from the Irish don't live in this way, and migrated mostly to the south on their arival, in order to live a life more to their comfort.

since when were the Irish ever held up as pillars of civilization?  maybe among the Irish but who else is buying this?

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Looks like most of these are context-removed

not to wax fanatical, but it is interesting to me how revisionist history has transformed all of our most revered figures into godless pederasts.  discounting any seedy agenda for a moment, what's the cause of this?  we are told that upon closer inspection the figures of history aren't all they are cracked up to be, but isn't that true of any human being examined with a fine-tooth comb?  perhaps in a number of cases we are experiencing the reverse of what happened when the whole of history was supposedly filtered through a white-skinned lens: information is being deliberately distorted to present an alternate history.  call it a way of turning the tables.  the internet has certainly lent a hand to this in recent years with its obsessive devotion to increasingly streamlined data, data streamlined to the point of removing all substance and fact.  call it the twitter syndrome if you will.  it's one of the reasons I think the short-form version of anus reviews is a horrid idea.

just an observation

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Has anyone watched this debate between Bertrand Russell and Frederick Copleston?  It is from the 1950s and is way better than any of the "debates" done today on the subject with people like Dawkins, Hitchens, Harris, etc.

http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/p20.htm

just a few idle musings on this as I am by no means qualified to adequately tackle the meat of the debate:

- Russell's comparison of moral distinctions to colors was particularly weak (and hypocritical if you know anything about Russell).
- As with so many academic texts or discussions from the period, the content more or less resolved itself in (or degenerated to) a discussion about Nazi culpability.  For any number of reasons, two Brits arguing morality in the aftermath of near-annihilation at the hands of Hitler by presenting their conqueror as the metric of ultimate evil holds little appeal for me.
- Though the majority of Coplestone's arguments seem like he's chasing his tail, the segment where he Russell attacks him by citing instances of people talking to demons portrayed Coplestone as a particularly stubborn and credulous christian.  Instead of positing that the existence of Satan is (a) essential to the existence of God, (b) a "necessary" antipode to the love of God, and (c) as "real" as God in the biblical sense of reality, he resorted to discrediting people who'd claimed to talk to "demons," and regrettably put himself in the "they're not part of my club" camp.  Russell (erroneously) used Satan and communication with him as an argument against God's existence.  Coplestone immediately went on the defensive.

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Interzone / Re: Identical Twins and Homosexuality
« on: May 06, 2010, 08:38:36 PM »
On an interesting side note, it says on the german wikipedia site (and this is something that is also mentioned on a couple of books) that the two male grandsons of Goethe, both of them brothers, were homosexual. What are the odds of that? Needless to say they didn't leave any issue, and their only sibling, a girl, died at a very young age. 

that's interesting.  what is the actual proof used to establish their homosexuality?

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Metal / Re: Have Incantation sold out?
« on: May 06, 2010, 06:16:26 PM »
I don't think Incantation are playing mass-appeal death metal, they're just playing death metal that hovers around low B/high C grade. For their last 3-4 albums. In comparison to their first 2 full lengths, or Diabolical Conquest, C grade material doesn't cut it.

I agree. It's easy enough to get off-track without selling out. In particular, they're truer to style than, say, Immolation which has drifted off course as well.

precisely.  and the essence of this thread seems to be a misinterpretation of quality deterioration as "selling out".  this is a particularly acute phenomenon within the metal community.  if someone like David Bowie puts out a new record (which will almost certainly be shit as that's been his exclusive currency since the 1980s), the backlash will center on how he's overstayed his welcome.  if a band like Immolation releases a lackluster album, a portion of the metal community will talk about them as if they signed a deal with Def Jam.

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Am I the only one here who feels that a good part of this debate is being fed by misinterpretation?

Seems  the cause of it is people bitching about semantics and word usage which is leading them away from the point of the post: Religion, or god is just the terms some people use to describe what science is describing, but in a different way.   Sure some of it is justified through spirituality and mysticism but itís still just manís attempt to describe the same system of which heís a part.  

"God" or whatever you want to call him is a semantic issue at its core. and the word choice used in the original post (whether intentionally or otherwise) suggests an end goal of offering a word as a catalyst for the whole of nature; I don't particularly care what word you choose. But I'm quite certain that many creationists have for years enumerated evolution as god's tool, and philosophy and mathematics as god's language among their strongest pro-God points.  so yes, I'd say the word choice is quite important to the discussion.  I take umbrage with any tool men use to make men bigger than we are.  

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Interzone / Re: Identical Twins and Homosexuality
« on: May 06, 2010, 04:13:00 AM »
Quote from: Conservationist
No two things in nature are equal.
Not even identical twins, it turns out.  They can vary in their epigenetic systems, which can alter things like hormone levels.  Hence, why there are cases of identical twins where one is homosexual and the other heterosexual.

is the word "equal" being presented as a synonym for "congruence" here or are you alleging a disparity between the relative values of sexuality?  

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the problem with the point of the original post and with many being argued in this thread - and somewhat effectively, I might add - is that the vast majority of it functions in precisely the same headspace as that which dictates Osama Bin Laden is the root of all America's evils, 9/11 was an inside job, and any of the exponentially unraveling conspiracy theories so-called crazies are fond of.  and that root isn't one of information, or enlightenment, or principle, but one of arrogance.  arrogance to assume that all things can be caused and/or explained by men.  and what better "mechanism" to attribute the causes of men to than one great big invisible man.  you can call him god, or mohammed, or the illuminati group, or the easter bunny.  they're all reducible to an all-knowing, all-powerful, and most importantly, all-male entity, who rules over all things with cock-surity.  no concept,  no  matter how esoteric eludes his ken because he's nothing more than the hyperinflated image of everyone of us, everyone of us who has ever felt (rightfully so) inadequate, incomplete, flawed, ugly, corrupted.  he is the temple we accede to, and we create powerful creatures for the sake of feeding our endless need to be the center of everything because hey, our little peepees get big sometimes.  

but sure, I have no problems with touching the face of god or learning the mechanisms of god; understanding takes nothing away from wondering at the beauty of creation.  once you lose the ability to wonder, then I believe you truly are an atheist, and that's every bit as blinkered as calling yourself a christian.  acknowledging a thankfulness for a sense of beauty and wonder and love is universal even if mankind does not agree on the religious nomenclature.

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Metal / Re: Devolved metal comp
« on: May 04, 2010, 03:45:56 PM »
a re-up would be nice as would an end to to the use of rapidshare who by all accounts are providing user data of "major offenders" to the recording industry

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Interzone / Columbine
« on: April 23, 2010, 04:47:20 PM »
you cannot be this stupid.

" The ignorant states, the wise person doubts and things"
-Aristotle-

source of this Aristotle quote, please?

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Interzone / Columbine
« on: April 22, 2010, 04:30:12 PM »
looks as if someone is having fun moving posts into different threads

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Metal / Re: Have Incantation sold out?
« on: April 20, 2010, 07:58:55 PM »
How have Incantation sold out?!

I wouldn't say they've sold out, they've just chosen more, ahem, lucrative pursuits. In turn the music suffers, as always, when catering to mass appeal. Most of the bands in this thread fit that format as well. They hit a peak and are now just in a state of constant decline.

can you please enumerate those lucrative pursuits?

Catering to pathetic death metal fans en masse, and playing polished shit with an equally pathetic mainstream label. I figure, (considering the quality of the music and the scene they entertain), they're probably doing it for the money. Or out of sheer boredom. I know their music definitely portrays that feeling well.

I don't mean to be argumentative but is there any evidence to suggest Incantation are "cashing in" since their switch to Moon Ibex?

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Metal / Re: Metal academics
« on: April 20, 2010, 07:33:09 PM »
this could be of interest to some here as "Heavy Fundamentalisms" is getting ready for its third annual global conference

http://www.inter-disciplinary.net/critical-issues/ethos/music-metal-politics/call-for-papers/

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Interzone / Re: Mainstream culture degeneracy needs trolling
« on: April 19, 2010, 10:46:34 PM »
The importance of this is unrealized because people do not comprehend that what's marked as socially repulsive is headed for society's margins.

tautology, not a revelation

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