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Metal / Re: This is what metal is up against
« on: August 21, 2008, 03:06:51 AM »
technical numetal band

Fitting description. They are much less annyoing than SYL, though. This Godless Endeavour really is better than all their other albums and a good listen if Heavy/Speed Metal with a modern sound and lots of (good) solos sounds appealing to you.

Metal / Re: Theory
« on: July 31, 2008, 12:18:18 PM »
Many good metal bands bands were never very theoretical. Burzum, Darkthrone etc. prove that you don't need to know music theory to make great art. A few great, moving riffs arranged in a logical matter (so that they tell a story) are all that is necessary to make a good metal album.

 The more technical bands definitely show potential, however. I'd love to see this direction to be pursued further but I don't know how far this form of music can go down that path. One of the main problems is the rhythm, as ASBO has noted. These stock-standard rock/punk beats are very limiting and put everything in a rigid framework. The programmed drums of Summoning are a step in the right direction.

Another problem is the lack of dynamics, even in the more progressive bands (see Crimson Massacre) which can make the music very exhausting to listen to because "everything sounds the same". I can listen to a Bruckner symphony without getting bored but if a metal album is longer than 40 minutes, I start to check my watch. Don't know how to solve it, though. There's only so much you can do with the standard drums/bass/guitar instrumentation. Some attempts to bring more dynamics into metal have failed horribly (see Pink Frothy AIDS).

Metal / Re: AVERSE SEFIRA Europe and Eurasia tour 2008 with GORGOROTH
« on: July 29, 2008, 10:23:21 PM »
Which one of the two Gorgoroths will they be touring with?

Metal / Re: Classical music for metalheads
« on: July 16, 2008, 01:15:19 PM »
The point was to create a STARTER LIST, not a participatory "I like teh classical twoo" thread.

In that case, I'd lose Anton Bruckner. Lovely music, but it can be a bit difficult for people who are new to classical. You should at least hear Beethoven's symphonies before you listen to Bruckner so you get an understanding how symphonic structures work. Then again, anyone who can sit through Obscura will probably find Bruckner to be easy listening.

My reccomendations for people who are new to classical music:

1. J. S. Bach: Brandenburg Concertos; Goldberg Variations; A Musical Offering

Some of his more sensual pieces. Calm and joyful music with substance.

2.  Ludwig van Beethoven: 3rd, 5th, 6th, 7th, 9th Symphonies

Obvious choice. Symphonies don't get better than this.

3.  Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart:: Requiem, Piano Concerto No. 20

The 20th Piano Concerto is surprisingly dark for Mozart and one of my favourites. The Requiem is one of his most popular pieces for a reason.

4.  Johannes Brahms: 4 Symphonies, 1st Piano Concerto, Horn Trio

His first piano concerto is magnificent. The first movement is one of the highlights of romantic music.

Don't ignore his chamber works. The symphonies are great but you miss out on a lot if you only listen to them.

5. Franz Schubert: Die Winterreise, "Death and the Maiden" String Quartet No. 14

Beautiful romantic music. One of the best composers from that era, besides Brahms and Bruckner

More advanced listeners might want to try:

Johann Sebastian Bach: Die Kunst der Fuge

Probably the most complex piece of music ever written. It's still enjoyable if you know nothing about music theory, though (but it helps if you do). I believe this "theoretical" piece actually speaks more of Bach's spirituality than his sacred works.

Anton Bruckner: 8th Symphony

His greatest achievement. It took me a while until I understood it but my patience paid off. A thundering first movement, a scherzo that wouldn't seem out of place on a metal album, a beautiful adagio and a finale with marvelous, powerful themes. What is most admirable about this is his sense of perspective: The coda of the last movement features the main themes of all the four movements combined. That Bruckner was able to do things like this without descending into unlistenable chaos is genius.

Gustav Mahler: 6th Symphony

The instrumentation includes a huge wooden hammer. Need I say more about this?

Metal / Re: Newer Graveland
« on: July 10, 2008, 02:51:31 AM »
I don't think Graveland are improving. Darken releases too much material with too few ideas and he is regressing slowly because he is not moving forward. There is only so much music you can make in the style he has chosen for Graveland before it becomes redundant. If you took the best tracks from their last five albums or so, you would get one or two excellent black metal albums.

Summoning are much better, in my opinion. They don't spread their material too thinly and they keep experimenting, even if some of these experiments weren't that successful (Stronghold). Their last album is a great synthesis between their old and new styles with some new ideas. I believe they are the better band because they consist of two active musicians who are involved in other projects. Keeps them in touch with the "big world". Darken, on the other hand, seems to have retreated in his own little fantasy world.

Metal / Re: Music for the Intellectual Elite
« on: June 17, 2008, 02:40:06 AM »
Do we need to define a "use" for music? I like music because it makes me fonder of life in general. No need to over-complicate things.

Interzone / Gustav Mahler
« on: June 17, 2008, 02:22:12 AM »
What's your opinion on this composer? We can all agree on Beethoven's works being brilliant art but opinions on Mahler should be a bit more varied. I greatly enjoy his symphonies but I understand why some people might dismiss them as schmaltz.

Mahler's work seems very metal to me. I've heard the 6th being described as "the first nihilistic piece in music history" and I think it fits.

His best qualities are the broad spectrum of emotions he conveys, his sense of humour, and his ability to write movements of epic proportions which still have a logical and clear structure. I find him to be easier to follow than Bruckner, whose symphonies somtimes seem a bit confounding and unwieldy to me.

Maybe my opinion will change when I've listened to more classical music but I would place him right along Beethoven and Bruckner as one of the greatest composers of symphonies.

Metal / Re: Averse Sefira
« on: May 24, 2008, 10:35:51 AM »
Darkthrone is purely riff oriented.  If you judge them then you are "judging music by the quality (catchiness) of a band's riffs.

Not quite true. Not only can you judge Darkthrone on the quality of their riffs but also on the way in which they are arranged and work together. In this regard, Darkthrone manage to achieve a lot with very little. Just look at how well a track like Skald av Satans Sol works even though it follows a very simple ABABCAB form: You have these two very agressive, "negative" riffs which lead to the climax of the song, triumphant and powerful (but still a bit ambiguous) before things collapse again and the song ends with a solo over the second riff. Very simple but very effective, in my opinion.

Averse Sefira usually follow more complex structures but the general idea often seems to be the similar, especially if you look at their more "epic" tracks like Helix in Audience and Refractions of an Exploded Singularity: Both start of with very dissonant and violent riffs and then introduce more sonorous, uplifting but melodies that are still "restrained" somehow before the music lapses into violence and negativity again. This kind of structure only hints at a solution and forces the listener to "complete" the ideas that are hinted at in his mind. It's not just "total chaos" as one might believe when one first hears the music.

Interzone / Re: Anal sex, Wikipedia and Metal Forums
« on: May 22, 2008, 10:11:30 AM »
These are useful links. Thank you very much.

Metal / Re: Averse Sefira
« on: May 22, 2008, 03:27:32 AM »
Well, ok I guess it can come down to people honestly finding it boring, personal taste does have something to do with it.  Although it just seems strange to me that the seemingly intelligent people seem to disregard this band, often mentioning only its hipster fanbase, and then praises a band like Averse Sefira.  Averse Sefira plays in the total chaos style and rarely goes beyond that, like death metal it reaches the nothingness in nihilism and doesn't move on, while I'd argue that DSO does the same thing but  manages to create reason and purpose out of this chaos (should be 'self-evident' if you listen to the album and focus on those tracks I mentioned).

I don't think that Averse Sefira play in the "total chaos style". Compared to the excesses on the latest Deathspell Omega album, Advent Parallax is relatively restrained and the songs all progress in a logical way. Can't say that about the structures of DSO's newer material (Kenose and Fas) which often appear convoluted to me.

I still enjoy Deathspell Omega in spite of their hipster fanbase and their pretentious ( but not entirely un-interesting) lyrics because they can write really cool melodies if they want to and they are masters at creating a captivating atmosphere. They really know how to create an appealing aesthetic and while their composition is far from perfect, I don't believe it boils down to nothing but random wankery.

However, while Deathspell Omega may be the more immediatly appealing band and I didn't like Averse Sefira's harsh and violent sound at all when I first heard it, Averse Sefira are more consistent and they put quite a few subtle details into their music I find hard to describe which make sure that the music is still interesting even after the n-th listen. Conversely, while I loved Deathspell Omega when I first heard them, I don't like them nearly as much as I used to.

Interzone / Re: What is a hipster?
« on: May 13, 2008, 11:59:18 AM »
So, to sum it up, hipsters are fans who like something  (or pretend to) to boost their self-esteem?

Metal / Re: Filosofem
« on: May 02, 2008, 11:00:16 PM »
He asked for the worst equipment to record the vocals. Bad headphones did the trick.

Metal / Re: A Fan revolts against a naive Mounier
« on: April 23, 2008, 08:25:08 AM »
Of course the new Cryptopsy sucks but feeling betrayed because the band didn't make the album you wanted is moronic. It's not like they owe you anything. Just listen to their older albums, ignore their new stuff and leave it at that.

Metal / Re: Serialism in Heavy Metal.
« on: April 15, 2008, 09:31:20 AM »

I hear a lot of bands do this, and to good effect. Example - first and last riff on Averse Sefira - Detonation.

In that particular example, this ties in nicely with the lyrics of the song which are about how creation and destruction require eachother:

Before reemergence
In a new radiance
The world must burn
In rebirth
Bear witness to this rise!

It furthermore fits in with this quote from the Averse Sefira interview on this site:

Music writing seems to be tied inextricably to Newton, in that if something goes up, it must come down (or vice versa.) There is also a high instance of "riff A goes three times and on the fourth time put in riff B." The only beings that have come near to writing music interwoven with Quantum Physics are Acerbus. I am amazed that people are even able to write music at all, and I have no idea how they do it. I operate with modular components that I call "sets." A set is usually two or more riffs that compliment each other in somewhat of a logical fashion, there is a great deal of the process based on that great unquantifable: "feeling." Being modular, these components can be dropped in anywhere in a song and form the basic themes for the composition. They can repeat any number of times with variation imposed as required, say when the song is approaching summation, set A returns, but is played backwards, lower, whathaveyou.

Interzone / Re: Ritualistic sound
« on: April 03, 2008, 06:28:38 AM »
I'd recommend you give Karl Sander's solo album a listen. It's ambient music but you might like it anyway.

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