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Metal / Re: Metal gets a makeover
« on: August 14, 2006, 01:50:56 PM »
Wasn't sure what to think about this part, especially coming from Napalm Death:


Napalm Death's Greenway is considering work as a political activist when his metal days are over, but he doesn't think metal will ever completely stray from hedonistic and supernatural themes.

"I appreciate that not everything has to be awareness raising or political," he said. "Music is also a form of entertainment and it should remain that way. Variety is the spice of life. Escapism is a good thing if it doesn't cloud your vision."


Is escapism ever good?

Interzone / Re: Metal album covers
« on: July 05, 2006, 08:47:10 AM »
Thanks for the link.

I always loved the cover of Transilvanian Hunger. It seems perfectly representative of the music inside.

Metal / Re: A new metal genre
« on: May 26, 2006, 11:51:17 AM »
Absu definitely wins... that's a much worse idea than his musical suggestion.

I don't think his first idea is that bad. I don't know how the specifics would turn out, but something that isn't so reliant on standard percussion seems like a good idea (as he said and was suggested before in other threads), so why not piano or harpsichord or really any number of instrumental sounds that are just as capable of doing the job. Or better yet, ignore commanding steady percussion altogether.

All popular music has a steady pulse of some kind that comes from some kind of bass-drum style percussion instrument, be it an acoustic or electronic one. Although this is only one requirement, it is an extremely limiting and foundational one (and one that average people crave). Metal has danced around a bit with regard to pulsing beats, but generally has also made it a requirement (even in the technical bands who try off-time stuff, it always resolves into something you can bang your head to). Black Metal broke away from that a bit with its strobing wall of sound.

So if we're taking black metal as a next step in the creative potential of metal, why not go all the way with the black metal percussive theory? I recall Fenriz in an interview saying that the drums don't fucking matter or something to that effect, so take it all the way, and use other means of percussion, or simply no percussion whatsoever, or even sparsely placed traditional percussion as added effect. Blast beats and bass drum rolls only do so much; they don't need to be a requirement, just another element of the metal-technique repetoire like Goluf mentioned. I'm sure heavy sections used sparsely would have all the more impact as well. Broaden the horizons; that kind of attitude of not being forced into anything and trying something else is what helped get black metal off the ground. Many experiments will sound terrible I'm sure, but experimentation and enthusiasm coupled with some sense of artistic vision can and will go a long way.

Metal / Re: Artists/works needing reviews
« on: April 24, 2006, 01:19:24 PM »
Drudkh seems to be held so highly by the modern black metal community that their popularity alone would motivate a review, even if it involves them being shit on.

And as was said, there are some positive aspects to the music, but some detrimental aspects as well. They seem to be a good example of more recent music that almost gets it right.

Autumn Aurora does have great melodies, but their use of repetition isn't nearly as effective as you would find in say, Burzum. It's as if they desired to be repetitious without an understanding of the minimalist approach. Too much repetition without subtle background variation, and the riff changes sometimes feel like they come out of left field musically, even if the atmosphere stays relatively the same. I will still give a yes vote for a review though, I think it's worth the time.

Metal / Re: Technology and Metalheads
« on: April 18, 2006, 06:27:49 AM »
From my personal experience, I have to see technology as a positive thing. The upside is that greater exposure (even if it's in an "underground" way) is allowed for metal through the internet. Without ANUS, I wouldn't have been exposed to all this glorious music that I love now. I heard Nightside Eclipse as well as a result of someone on another forum a long time ago recommending Emperor, and then finding ANUS opened up the gates for the best of metal. Thanks to downloading, I can hear alot of material I otherwise would not be able to.

The downside is that this ease of distribution, as was mentioned earlier, creates a tidal wave of mediocre material that wouldn't exist if such an easy way of distribution and production didn't exist. For the hessian, who as far as his ends are concerned, does not care what the average idiot is up to, I think the advantage of the exposure of metal to hessians in waiting is a big advantage.

In terms of the physical medium, I've always preferred to maintain a CD collection, although lately I've been transferring alot of MP3s to CD-Rs. I have my trusty CD player and my medium of choice will be CD. I think there is a specialness to the CDs I've actually purchased, however, both in sound quality and in the fact that I have the complete production as the artist intended it. So I agree in the superiority of maintaining a collection of physical objects.

And NEVER just have an electronic collection. Electronic devices are far too unreliable for that to be an intelligent way of keeping your collection. We hold high our music, and putting it at such a risk is disrespectful to our collections.

Audiofile / I Shalt Become
« on: April 12, 2006, 06:07:20 PM »
I Shalt Become
I Shalt Become MP3s

"Dreamy, Burzum/Graveland inspired wandering ambient black metal."

I Shalt Become - Wanderings (1996) [ CD $10 ]

I Shalt Become - Wanderings (1996, Mega)

Metal / Re: "Getting Into" Music
« on: January 22, 2006, 06:04:53 PM »
Related to this question, I was thinking about ambient music specifically, what seems to distinguish it from other forms of music and the general lack of interest to it by most people.

I think ambient music's special quality lies in it's focusing only on the creation of a certain atmosphere, only perhaps on what you could call the "location of spirit". It does not tell any story outright, nor say anything really specific. But if your mind is open and willing to travel, it can take you on what you could perhaps call a transcendental voyage; I think it requires a special kind of calm and detachment from what you would traditionally call your"self" to appreciate it. I think its greatest beauty lies in these facts about it, that in the listener it fosters creativity, providing only a certain "sense" of things. It is not there to merely be consumed, but to inspire a natural creative inclination. And what more appropriate a medium then music, what better conveyor then something so wrought with depth and adept at grasping into the spiritual, onto the transcendent?

Metal / Re: Hail Quorthon & other leaders
« on: December 13, 2005, 08:29:49 AM »
You bring up valid worries about the treatment of the men behind these various works of music.

Accidental or not, we can agree Bathory was something that certainly (especially from who Quorthon seems to have been) went beyond its creator; the man behind the music went beyond himself, and this is how all music should be, to strive to create something far beyond ourselves. Now Quorthon himself may not have been striving to go beyond himself, but it must have come from somewhere within him, from some expression of himself in his writing it. At the least, he wasn't trying to be "innovative" and this allowed innovation.

I don't want to eliminate Quorthon from the picture entirely though, for it seems unfair. He certainly should not be treated as an idol, and I don't know how many people here in fact idolize him. However, I have a great deal of respect for him insofar as I respect his body of work and the influence it had. In this sense, when I may think upon him, I would think of his accomplishments. At least in what he did for music, we can think back positively on him.

And as you pointed out, we should certainly not idolize him. With regard to his death, for example, we can respectfully recognize his passing, and move on. "Here lies the man who created Bathory, who inspired great works from many other men. For this, he shall be remembered". I cannot imagine Quorthon himself wanting it any other way, in terms of how the public may remember him (family of course being a different picture entirely).

I see where you're coming from, considering all of the websites and groups that treated his passing like the passing of a God, as if he himself is something we should strive to be. That is definitely the incorrect course of action, and is blameworthy, for this kind of special reverence is hardly worthy, considering their basis for judgment is in fact his work; you respect his work, in his passing give him the treatment as a man to whom you respected his work.

I'm curious to see what you think of how I think we would treat Quorthon. I think this is the kind of treatment that we should give in general to people of whom all we really know and care about is their body of work.

Metal / Re: Hail Quorthon & other leaders
« on: December 11, 2005, 06:50:24 PM »
The topic is Quorthon's body of work. It is inconsequential what he did in the rest of his time to the positive mark he made on metal music. He was, literally, a true innovator, and so much of the great metal we enjoy now that followed after him would not have existed had he not created what he did.

Metal / Re: college
« on: December 04, 2005, 06:46:53 PM »
If you really burn with desire, you will stop at nothing to try to achieve your desires. Reason helps to interpret the situation around you, to show you the possible paths you can pursue, and if you have the passion to pursue your desired end, you will strive for it, even if the path you have to take is long and difficult. If there is nothing in this world that inspires you, then snap out of it and reevaluate where you are in reality, or consider suicide.

Having said that, college is a great opportunity, but it is not for everyone (as is true of many things, anal sex for example). If you are walking down the collegiate road, then make the most of your situation by diving into the material presented and engaging your professors with questions after class/in their office hours. Put real effort into the work for your major; your major is something you must love, and if not, then you are doomed to being the paper pushing monkey with no love for labor.

Metal / Re: What is "Black" to you?
« on: November 29, 2005, 03:53:52 PM »
Ok I probably said something too much in distinction itself being pointless, I don't think thats what I meant, it was more like getting really nit-picky about distinctions that was bothering me, and chthonian's question seemed to be doing that, trying to say something to the effect of "we improperly understand black metal, it must be defined in terms of aesthetic and philosophy, the black metal aesthetic and philosophy include bands other then the typically considered black metal bands and may exclude some of the typically considered black metal bands".

I don't think this works simply because the distinction for black metal is in the fact that it was an artistic movement, that it was defined by those who were a part of it, and we can label it like a historical period. This leaves out the possibility of new black metal, and I personally think that this is fine.

Metal / Re: What is "Black" to you?
« on: November 28, 2005, 07:24:22 PM »
Don't you learn, this whole discussion is pointless, who gives a shit about the terms. Genre distinction is ultimately fucking pointless. You shouldn't be surprised this thread was mocked.

We have a general working understanding of what black metal is, what death metal is, etc, and often bands blur the lines and thats fine, it makes for a nice bit of curiosity but its nothing to spend a ton of time on or really worry about. It ultimately doesn't matter how you divide them up; the quality and honesty in music is what counts, is what makes music worth sharing and appreciating. You could call Burzum electronic hard rock and it wouldn't change the power of the music.

Metal / Re: Myspace = Scenespace = Anti-Aesthetics
« on: November 27, 2005, 07:49:28 PM »
I think its a great place for people who enjoy sodomy to find each other.

Metal / Re: Black metal = terms contradicting aesthetics?
« on: November 27, 2005, 07:48:04 PM »
I can't grasp why you're so determined to say black metal is somehow a contradiction. You seem to be completely hung up on individual words and are not taking it as a whole denoting something. "Black metal" refers to something specific that may or may not have to do with blackness or metalness. "Black metal" is a certain philosophy on life that is itself given life through the medium of metal music (and arguably even through other styles of music, or at least influenced by them).

You can argue till you're out of breath about the terms themselves in the name "black metal". But even if you are right, it ultimately doesn't matter. Fighting over notation is pointless when there is no misunderstanding. You say black metal, and people get images of burning churches and the core bands and usually their philosophies (if they imagine cradle of filth, they're ill informed and regardless of what you name things people will misunderstand terms.)

I felt I should clarify before I left this here, that black metal points to something specific mainly in its pointing to a specific period of time and specific bands and the attitudes shared by them. It is unfair to try to abstract it and say your abstract omits the founders; the founders ARE what it is. This is because they never got together and agreed on some kind of "this is what black metal is". Rather, when we try to think of what black metal is, we think about what all those bands shared. Again, the terms are meaningless, we look to evidence to see what it really was.

Metal / Re: Black Metal...Drying Up?
« on: October 15, 2005, 05:40:56 AM »
I've felt the same way.. it seems there's not enough real inspiration in people these days, which is why those original bands I think were so special. They were drawing on something very real within themselves, while the modern bands are just making images of what the old bands did, they aren't getting at what they were really about.

I think black metal, as it was, has to end for this reason, that there will never be another Burzum or Immortal or Darkthrone. Whatever bands come along now that convey across a true sense of themselves will probably be something that seems very different and alien at first, much as black metal did when it began. Nevertheless, for pure enjoyment, I think there are still bands that make interesting music.

I just listened to Drudkh (posted on another thread) and I very much enjoyed them, it was a good listen. There were a few "underground" bands that I had heard as well that I liked alot at least as how they sounded. Sapthuran was one, and Huorn was the other. I'm not sure whats happened to them since, but I felt they made at least interesting music, something a little above the crowd. Oh and also that Averse Sefira album  Tetragrammatical Astygmata I thought was excellent, and that came out quite recently.

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