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Interzone / Ripping
« on: September 20, 2012, 03:58:54 AM »
The info in the FAQ seems a bit dated. More recently, there have been private trackers popping up with some standards for producing high quality audiophile rips. It is generally accepted in the scene community to rip LAME -V0 mp3 format due to its excellent quality and high compression and less commonly LAME 320kbps CBR mp3 format for lossy encoding. FLAC with libFLAC encoding is the obvious standard for lossless rips.

In most cases, EAC is overkill for lossy files, and takes far too long to rip the CD to be practical. If your goal is to upload or archive, your best bet is to rip once to FLAC and then use a program like dBpoweramp to convert that rip to the other formats. Even if you don't need a FLAC, it'll still be much faster to rip using any other program, and won't produce an audibly different result unless your CD has skips and bad scratches.

Anywho, here's a guide I took from a private tracker, which takes a very methodical approach to ripping CDs and I highly recommend it to anyone planning to upload rare CDs.

Ripping Tools for CD Media

These are the tools that will grant you a highest possible quality FLAC rip for a CD upload here.

Exact Audio Copy (EAC)
A secure ripper for Windows.
Download here: http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/en/index.php/resources/download/

X Lossless Decoder (XLD)
A secure ripper for OSX.
Download here: https://code.google.com/p/xld/downloads/list

EAC - Setting up Exact Audio Copy

This guide was made for EAC version 1.0 beta 3 and will not completely work with earlier versions (which are not recommended any longer). Versions 0.99 or earlier should use the blowfish guide.

Anything with a green outline around it is a required setting. Anything orange is required but depends on your drive. Anything unmarked is optional.

This is meant to be a no-frills guide with little extra info. A more comprehensive (but outdated) guide can be found here:

Step 1: Download and install EAC
Download the installer and fire it up.

Eventually you'll get to a screen like this. Make sure you install AccurateRip, CDRDAO, CTDB and freedb as a bare minimum. FLAC will be useful as well if you don't have it separately installed. GD3 is only useful if you want to pay for metadata results. I assume you don't.

Note: The above screenshot is from Beta 3. The new Beta 3 adds the option to include the CueTools Database Plugin. It is recommended to install it but not required. Full details for installation of the plugin on older versions is located in the appendix at the end of this guide.

Step 2: Start EAC

When you first start EAC, you'll see a screen like this one. Hit "Cancel". Next, put a popular CD into your drive, preferably not one that was recently released (a few months old at least). You'll see a window like the one below appear. If you have an older version of EAC or dBpoweramp installed, it's likely AccurateRip was already configured, and this may not appear.

Hit Configure. It may take a few minutes. Hit "Ok" afterward. Once again, if you have an older version of EAC or dBpoweramp installed, it's likely AccurateRip was already configured, and this may not appear.

Step 3: EAC Options
All of the options dialogs can be found from the EAC menu at the top of the screen.

Start with EAC Options. Any tabs not pictured are completely optional settings, or are irrelevant to ripping.

If your drive is capable of reading UPC/ISRC codes and CD-Text (you can only really figure this out by trial and error), you're welcome to keep the top two options checked. Otherwise, uncheck them.

Other than that, these settings are pretty much ideal. I wouldn't recommend using more than 1 compressor thread even if you have a multicore computer. It doesn't take very long compared to the track extraction anyway. Note that in tests, disabling the queue of external compressors in the background fixed an issue where EAC was generating WAV files instead of FLAC, so I've made that a required option. It should have no bearing on the rip quality. If rip queueing works for you (it does for me), feel free to leave it enabled.

Make sure you set the green highlighted settings as shown. If you're using an older version of EAC, make sure "No use of null samples for CRC calculations is UNCHECKED. The rest is optional, choose as you will. Locking the drive tray during extraction isn't a bad idea though.

These settings are pretty much all optional and self explanatory. I'd recommend using Alternate CD play routines and disabling autostart though.

The "Show status dialog after extraction" option setting has been problematic for some users. This displays the log after the rip is done, and offers you the option to save the log file. If you follow this guide, EAC will do this automatically. Do NOT hit "Save Log". As such I've disabled the setting here. Only turn it on if you know what you're doing.

Do not normalize.

As shown in the screenshot above here is the proper way to name tracks.

Naming Convention : %tracknr2% - %title%

Check 'Use Various Artists Naming Scheme' and use : %tracknr2% - %artist% - %title%

The only difference acceptable here would be perhaps %tracknr2%. %title% if you prefer periods instead of dashes in the filenames. If you need track numbers to go into triple digits for some reason, use %tracknr3% instead.

Using %artist% - %albumtitle% (%year%) [FLAC] for the directory is common.

Step 4: Drive Options

Start by hitting "Detect Read Features...". This will actually take a few minutes. The only feature detection that actually matters is Accurate Stream. If your drive can use it, checkmark the setting (most modern drives have Accurate Stream). If it can't, don't.

Even if your drive doesn't cache audio, just do us a favour and leave that checked. Not only will it stop you from having to have each of your uploads rescored by hand, but it doesn't affect the audio quality at all. Yes, the rips take a bit longer with that setting enabled. Go watch TV or something while you wait.

Do not use C2, even if EAC thinks you can. Most drives have terrible C2 error implementation.

Hit "Autodetect read command now". It shouldn't take long. Leave everything else unchecked unless you're having problems. You can checkmark "CD-Text Read capable drive" if you want to test whether your drive can do it. If it can, great, otherwise, uncheck it. It's unlikely you'll ever use that feature anyway.

If you did the AccurateRip configuration at the start of this guide, the top half here will be greyed out. If not, you'll need to find your read offset correction from this list. Don't use a combined read/write offset.

If you want to figure out whether your drive needs "Overread into Lead-in and Lead-Out" checked, you can check by temporarily unchecking "Use AccurateRip with this drive". Stick a CD in the drive and hit "Detect read sample offset correction...". If you're just doing this for the Overread, see below:

blowfish.be wrote:

"Check "Overread Lead-In and Lead-Out" only if the test result says that your drive can overread from both the Lead-In and Lead-Out, or if it says Lead-Out and your offset correction is positive ,or if it says Lead-In and your offset correction is negative. Otherwise disable (uncheck) it."

Pretty much every drive should work with the settings shown. If yours stalls on detecting gaps or detects gaps that are obviously wrong (like 30 second gaps on a non-live album), try Detection method B or C. If A, B, and C all fail, you can switch "Secure" to "Accurate" and try again.

Step 5: Metadata Options

Here's where you pick your metadata provider. If you did install GD3, it'll be in the list. You can only rip 10 discs before you have to pay for a subscription though. Otherwise, you have a choice between the MusicBrainz plugin (CTDB), freedb plugin and EAC's native freedb support. I'm not really sure what the big difference is, I'm guessing it's the cover+lyrics. Anyway, change those settings above if you wish.

If you use EAC's native freedb instead, the settings should look like this. Make sure you put an email at the top, it doesn't need to be real. Hit "Get active freedb server list". Then checkmark the last option.

Step 6: Compression Options

Set up this tab exactly as shown. You'll have to browse to the path where you have flac.exe, if you installed it with EAC it's in C:\Program Files (x86)\Exact Audio Copy\FLAC\flac.exe. If you installed it separately it's wherever you installed it. The bit rate and high/low quality have no effect on the rip.

The commandline parameters have changed in this version, so this will look new to most of you. The commandline recommended for optimal completeness is this:

-8 -V -T "ARTIST=%artist%" -T "TITLE=%title%" -T "ALBUM=%albumtitle%" -T "DATE=%year%" -T "TRACKNUMBER=%tracknr%" -T "GENRE=%genre%" -T "PERFORMER=%albuminterpret%" -T "COMPOSER=%composer%" %haslyrics%--tag-from-file=LYRICS="%lyricsfile%"%haslyrics% -T "ALBUMARTIST=%albumartist%" -T "DISCNUMBER=%cdnumber%" -T "TOTALDISCS=%totalcds%" -T "TOTALTRACKS=%numtracks%" -T "COMMENT=%comment%" %source% -o %dest%

It takes no extra effort on your part, just copy and paste that into the additional commandline options and you're done.

Note: the %comment% function is broken in version 1.0b2 (it returns the track CRC). Use something like -T "COMMENT=EAC V1.0 beta 2, Secure Mode, Test & Copy, AccurateRip, FLAC -8" instead.

Also, as of Beta 3 you may use the %tracknr1% variable instead of %tracknr% if you would like to have no leading zeroes in the track number field (like XLD does). tracknr1 will use, for example, '1' instead of '01'.

A note on the FLAC commandline in versions prior to 1.0b3:

If you're using EAC 1.0b1, use the following commandline for FLAC:

-8 -V -T "ARTIST=%a" -T "TITLE=%t" -T "ALBUM=%g" -T "DATE=%y" -T "TRACKNUMBER=%n" -T "TOTALTRACKS=%x" -T "GENRE=%m" -T "ALBUMARTIST=%v" -T "COMMENT=EAC V1.0 beta 1, Secure Mode, Test & Copy, AccurateRip, FLAC -8" %s

Anything older than that, just change the version number in the tags.

Leave everything unchecked except the last option.

Congrats! EAC is now properly set up! You may wish to save your settings in a profile by hitting "New" at the bottom of the screen. However, unless you're changing your settings frequently there's no need, EAC will remember all of this on next launch regardless.

EAC - Ripping with Exact Audio Copy

Step 1: Tagging

So now let's look at the main window. Be sure everything is named correctly here, as these will be the tags on your ripped files. If you're ripping a classical CD, you may wish to fill in the Composer/Performer fields.

Drag a cover image into the EAC window. 500x500 is a decent size in most cases. Google images is your friend here.

Note: I've also highlighted the "New" button where you can save your settings. This is not a necessary step each time you rip.

Step 2: Gap Detection and Cuesheets

The pre-rip stuff happens here. Make sure "Append Gaps to Previous Track (default)" is checked. It should be. Next, hit the options in the order shown.

First, hit "Detect Gaps". This is very important, your rip will fail the logchecker if you do not complete this step. If the first track is highlighted in red, you have a hidden track. You'll want to look at this section of the blowfish.be guide.

Next, go to Create CUE Sheet -> Multiple WAV Files With Gaps... (Noncompliant). This is usually where I create the folder for ripping as well. Do NOT rip your tracks to any directory containing your name. You should NEVER edit a log for any reason, especially now that we have checksums. A simple C:\EAC Rips is fine.

I name my directories as follows:
Artist - Album (Year) [Format] {Extra}

Step 3: Ripping

Finally, the rip itself! Make sure all the tracks are checkmarked in the main window unless there are some you don't want to rip.

Test & Copy -> Compressed.

Depending on your drive and whether or not the CD is scratched, this could take anywhere from ten minutes to four hours. Be patient.

There's a known bug in EAC where opening the file select dialog will crash the program on some machines. You can use a temporary work-around by setting a manual directory for each rip in EAC Options->Directories. You can see an example of this below. Pressing "Browse" on this screen will likely crash the program as well, so you may need to type or paste in the path by hand.

Interzone / Running and other Physical Activities
« on: May 12, 2010, 10:05:06 PM »
I, for one, enjoy running. I recently noticed that having leg pains while running is not a normal condition: I have been running with my heel striking the ground all the time, due to the horrible design of my footwear. I've ran in boots and several types of running shoes and always I've ended up in pain after around 5 kilometers. I've recently read a great deal on Chi running (I believe it has been brought up in the past) and also barefoot running, which I am very interested in doing. I've decided that buying running shoes again is a futile attempt to prevent injury to my legs and it is costly to constantly look for better options. Some guidance from Barefoot Ted piqued my interest, as his philosophy bears many similarities to nihilism.

I've also been interested in buying a pair of Vibram Five Fingers shoes for rougher terrain, but I realize the product has had increased popularity and I would prefer not to hop on the bandwagon, but I find the concept to be ideal for my circumstances. Does anyone have these or similar footwear?

Furthermore, I've increased my interaction with the "sheeple" and have joined a running group, intramural soccer team and partake in other running activities, such as parkour and manhunt. Anyone else do activities similar to these, and what would you recommend? I tend to avoid sports that require teamwork as it requires "groupthink" but I plan to just have fun, whatever that may mean.

I seem to engage in more "open" environments when it comes to interaction with people: I tend not to be walking in solitude in a forest or discussing/listening to music with fellow metalheads or any other stereotypical behaviours of metalheads. Can anyone else attend to this? Perhaps I am more hippie than metalhead.

Other relevant topics:
Non-meaningless social activities

Interzone / GM Foods
« on: January 17, 2010, 07:44:58 PM »
I've been learning a lot about genetically modified foods lately. Although everyone here likely avoids anything that is not organically produced, I would like to fortify this perspective by presenting the video "The Health Dangers of Genetically Modified Foods". At the end of the video, the list mentioned can be found here.

A quote from the Genetic Engineering thread, which sparked my interest:

Here is a Google Video link to a captivating documentary about the Monsanto company and how their production of genetically modified organisms (GMOs) are affecting or could potentially affect the world. It has been an introduction to some of the challenges we actually face with genetic engineering and related topics.

I will definitely be more cautious when purchasing food after watching these videos.

Interzone / Industrial Ecology
« on: December 11, 2009, 11:29:50 PM »
Here's a report from whom I see to be the most prominent researcher in industrial ecology.

tl;dr: industrial ecology uses the principles of sustainability to define manufacturing and businesses into a sort of "organismal" structure so that recycling of industrial byproducts works like natural attenuation.

Note: Skip Chapter 3 if you're not interested in engineering principles. I'm working on getting the full thing.

One of the most important concepts of industrial ecology is that, like the biological system, it rejects the concept of waste. Dictionaries define waste as useless or worthless material. In nature, however, nothing is eternally discarded; in various ways all materials are reused, generally with great efficiency. Natural systems have evolved these patterns because acquiring materials from their reservoirs is costly in terms of energy and resources, and thsu is something to be avoided whenever possible.

From my experience in environmental engineering, this concept is used in bioremediation. Natural attenuation occurs when microorganisms change their source of nutrients to a more plentiful one through natural selection. For example, say oil is spilled on a massive scale into soil/groundwater. Most of the bacteria will die off because it is an inhospitable environment, but those that are perhaps can survive these conditions, and may use the oil as a food source and convert it into a less harmful byproduct. Another way is through sunlight; organic compounds can be converted into less harmful substances with exposure to sunlight. Of course, this is not a very effective way to deal with byproducts.

Anyway, industrial ecology is the way to recycle all byproducts of manufacturing processes instead of having them as waste, which may take hundreds to hundreds of thousands of years to biodegrade (irreversible on a large scale). Furthermore, polymers like polystyrene remain indefinitely. Perhaps one day through genetic engineering we can make bacteria decompose it. Another good thing related to industrial ecology is the "Verpackungsverordnung" or German Packaging Ordinance, which forces businesses to take responsibility for their consumer waste.

Interzone / The Return of the "Nativists"
« on: December 06, 2009, 02:08:26 PM »
News article on how Switzerland is dealing with Islam.

But the right-wing Swiss People’s Party struck a chord by telling voters that there was still a binary choice: either they would be subjected to misogynism and cruel punishments in the name of Islam, or else their existing culture, based on liberal Christianity, would prevail. Minarets were shown as a menacing force: on posters, dark shapes (resembling both minarets and missiles) rose from a Swiss flag.

Typical cultural conflict finally coming to a climax regarding immigration, at least in Switzerland.

Interzone / Academia and "Dissident" Concepts
« on: November 30, 2009, 12:18:11 AM »
I would like to introduce three individuals that understand the fate of modern society: Paul R. Ehrlich, Anne H. Ehrlich, and John P. Holdren. Of course, their research does not focus on the more behavioural/proximate causations regarding why modern society is stupid, but it's nonetheless insightful information dating back to the early sixties/seventies. They are good examples of what we, as individuals, should hope to accomplish.

Anne and Paul Ehrlich have a website in that promotes teaching students in a formal manner about sustainability. They have also written many books on the subject, such as "The Population Explosion" and "The Dominant Animal: Human Evolution and the Environment." John P. Holdren is currently the director of the Office of Science and Technology Policy and co-chair of President's Council of Advisers on Science and Technology (PCAST). If anyone were to change the world for the better, this is the person. His influence makes me question the value of academia. Presumably 40+ years with countless articles would be enough to spark some public interest, or at least policies regarding population growth.

Here is some literature by them:

"Ecoscience: Population, Resources, Environment" (1977)

"Impact of Population Growth" (1971)

Excerpts from "Population and Panaceas A Technological Perspective" (1969):

The existing and impending crises in human nutrition and living conditions are well- documented but not widely understood. In particular, there is a tendency among the public, nurtured on Sunday-supplement conceptions of technology, to be- lieve that science has the situation well in hand that farming the sea and the tropics, irrigating the deserts, and gen- erating cheap nuclear power in abundance hold the key to swift and certain solution of the problem. To espouse this belief is to misjudge the present severity of the situation, the disparate time scales on which technological progress and pop- ulation growth operate, and the vast complexity of the problems beyond mere food production posed by population pressures. Unfortunately, scientists and engineers have themselves often added to the confusion by failing to distinguish between that which is merely theoretically feasible, and that which is economically and logistically practical.
. . .
Furthermore, technology is likely to remain inadequate until such time as the population growth rate is drastically reduced.
. . .
[Technology] could also easily produce the ultimate disaster for mankind if they are not applied with careful attention to their effects on the ecological systems necessary for our survival (Woodwell, 1967; Cole, 1968).
. . .
No effort to expand the carrying capacity of the Earth can keep pace with unbridled population growth.
. . .
That there is insufficient additional, good quality agricultural land available in the world to meet these needs is so well documented (Borgstrom, 1965) that we will not belabor the point here.
. . .
The world has water problems, even exclusive of the situation in agriculture. Although total precipitation should in theory be adequate in quantity for sev- eral further doublings of population, serious shortages arising from problems of quality, irregularity, and distribution al- ready plague much of the world.
. . .
Man's problems with energy supply are more subtle than those with food and water: we are not yet running out of energy, but we are being forced to use it faster than is probably healthy. The rapacious depletion of our fossil fuels is already forcing us to consider more ex- pensive mining techniques to gain access to lower-grade deposits, such as the oil shales, and even the status of our high-grade uranium ore reserves is not clear-cut (Anonymous, 1968e).
. . .
Furthermore, we have not conveyed the extent of our concern for the environmental deterioration which has accompanied the population explosion, and for the catastrophic ecological con- sequences which would attend many of the proposed technological "solutions"' to the population/food crisis. Nor have we treated the point that "development" of the rest of the world to the standards of the West probably would be lethal ecologically (Ehrlich and Ehrlich, 1970). For even if such grim prospects are ignored, it is abundantly clear that in terms of cost, lead time, and implementation on the scale required, technology without population control will be too little and too late. What hope there is lies not, of course, in abandoning attempts at technological solutions; on the contrary, they must be pursued at unprecedented levels, with unprecedented judgment, and above all with unprecedented attention to their ecological consequences.
I will provide the above article in full to people by personal request via private message.

What irks me about these three individuals is their publicity. I did not know much about their work before today. Since it's fairly obvious that their ideas are not popular, even with their extensive efforts, and I believe I will stop education after my undergraduate degree because of this. I believe that this reinforces the idea of building a community that possesses similar ideas as one's own, and promoting sustainable ideals within it, rather than following an academic career. However, individuals like these may one day get lucky, and their popularity will snowball.

Interzone / Sustainability
« on: November 19, 2009, 08:43:23 PM »
I've been thinking about how people on these forums define sustainability. We understand the importance of sustainability, but definitions do not seem very clear. I've presented my ideas of sustainability in this thread, however I don't know whether it was acknowledged or accepted. Before you look at my definition of sustainability (which took me roughly 3 months of research to understand, and I have yet to work out all the implications), I'd like a general concept of what it means to be sustainable from your viewpoint. Here's a twist though: avoid any aesthetic/qualitative reasoning, and also consider proximate and ultimate causations of what it means to be unsustainable.

So, I'd like for you to present your definition of sustainability in this thread. Thanks!

Edit: The reason I bring up this topic is because of the general bias I see within these forums. The general idea is that humanity and modern society are inherently bad, and although we see what is happening to our planet, I have a feeling that some don't understand the process, the other possible solutions, why modern society is failing and the difference between ultimate and proximate causation. I know you all have a fair idea of the situation, but perhaps I can offer you a different perspective to broaden your knowledge.

Interzone / Trolling Community Seeks Notoriety
« on: November 04, 2009, 11:29:13 PM »
I've recently come into contact with a leader of a large trolling/"hacking" community that has much the same methodology as ANUS. Although they use trolling for humor alone (lulz), rather than causing cognitive dissonance and paradigm shifts (ANUS). There was also discussion of the troll's ideals -- to constantly outdo previous trolling efforts, act selflessly for the  betterment of the trolling community -- and roles within the trolling community.

On popularity:
00:51   r3x   it's a self-perpetuating cycle, once it reaches critical mass
00:51   r3x   if there is enough trolling and lulz going on, people will troll for the lulz because it becomes something to be a part of
00:52   mib_3ynufg   Yes, popularity manifests itself, but you're not at that point yet.
00:52   r3x   the question is how to go from our current state of stagnation to that critical mass, and then maintain equlibrium once critical mass has been reached
00:52   r3x   so we don't suffer the problem of eternal september, the community becoming too large

On elitism:
00:53   r3x   last week we looked at the law of three and the situation of Anonymous Trolling for the Lulz
00:53   r3x   and now we see how that situation inevitably leads to cancer if precautions aren't taken to mitigate the cancer
00:54   r3x   or only troll in such a way as to prevent cancer before it starts
00:54   r3x   this week is the Law of Octaves
00:54   mib_3ynufg   Elitism prevents cancer. And I have no idea what you're talking about, so this is good.
00:55   mib_3ynufg   Elitism also prevents popularity
00:55   r3x   elitism is cancer to Anon
00:55   r3x   elitism ultimately means namefags and reputation
00:56   r3x   the question is how to be discerning while not being pretentious
00:56   mib_3ynufg   That's false elitism
00:56   r3x   trolling by lowering ourselves in the process
00:56   r3x   http://www.endlesssearch.co.uk/philo_enneagram1.htm
00:57   r3x   this is what I mean specifically when I'm talking about the Law of Octaves

On policing and virtuosity (aka ubermensch here):
00:57   r3x   two sharp keys are missing
00:57   r3x   those are the places where shocks are needed in order to keep a process moving in the same direction
00:57   r3x   otherwise it begins to curve off
00:57   r3x   and inevitably turns back on itself
00:58   r3x   so that shocks are necessary between mi - fa and si - do in order to keep the process going
00:58   r3x   or that shocks must be prevented in order to end the process
01:00   r3x   cancer is a process that failed to terminate at the appropriate time
01:00   r3x   it's a process that failed to receive a shock to keep it moving along a straight line
01:00   r3x   so that it turns back on itself
01:00   r3x   and the continuance of this process may in fact lead to the termination of another process of a higher order
. . .
01:01   r3x   Anonymous Trolling for the Lulz is situational, the law of three, three forces in every situation, like a snapshot
01:01   r3x   the Law of Octaves is a string or thread of situations
01:02   r3x   and if this string or process fails to receive shocks at the appropriate time, it inevitably curves and repeats itself
01:02   r3x   think if it like a pendulum
01:03   mib_3ynufg   Okay, in a more applicable sense, this means what?
01:03   r3x   a pendulum swings back and forth ultimately devolving and giving off energy until it stops
01:03   mib_3ynufg   Ban faggots who are directionless?
01:04   r3x   the idea is to apply bannings or trollings elegantly, with timing and precision so as to effect large, positive changes with little effort
01:04   r3x   have you ever heard of Aikido?
[r3x shows video clip of Aikido master]
01:06   r3x   see how little effort the aikido master uses in order to subdue and frustrate his opponent
01:06   r3x   it's because every move is precise and timed impeccably, wasting no motion or energy

On criticism and hivemind:
01:08   r3x   one aspect i've been thinking about lately is the OP - hivemind relationship
01:09   r3x   how the OP of a thread gives an idea to the hivemind, and the hivemind in turn takes the idea and runs with it, or else rejects the idea
01:09   r3x   but in either case, communication is a vital part of this process
01:10   r3x   feedback needs to happen in order to tell OP's, yeah, this is a good idea, or no, you're a faggot and you should die
01:10   r3x   keeping in mind this malicious behavior is all satire and tongue in cheek
01:11   r3x   satire is perhaps the most effective means of trolling available

The group that organized this is the same that I've outlined above. This group utilizes the hivemind of 4chan to accomplish some very basic tasks that require large amounts of people (DDoSing). The concept of hivemind (masses volunteer themselves to accomplish a goal) is very much related to nationalism (a ethic/cultural group with a unanimously accepted goal). My point: utilizing the hivemind to promote dissidence, critical thinking, and virtue. The first step is through education. This is done by appealing (i.e. offering malicious macros and programs) to a target audience (i.e. people interested in trolling/hacking) and through curiosity, individuals decide to become more involved (much the same way ANUS works with metal reviews), thus read further content within the website. So, the objective is to focus upon one group within the hivemind and depend upon the influence from the website to be self-perpetuated.

My point: a group with similar methodology is able to create a lot of media attention and hivemind can be utilized. I just thought it was nice that someone unaffiliated is able to define aspects of a healthy community.

Pardon me if what I have written seems senseless, I am sleep deprived.

Interzone / Hacker Group 'Anonymous' Takes on Australian Government
« on: September 09, 2009, 04:07:25 AM »
""Information is free" say members of Anonymous. A confederation of hackers, activists, and some would say terrorists has taken it upon themselves to attack Kevin Rudd accusing him of censoring free speech on the internet. The Minister is on record as being firmly committed to a mandatory clean-feed internet to Australian homes, schools and public computers. A trial of filtering software by the ACMA has already been performed, with a "live" field pilot to follow later this year."


A collective against a country. Provide tools, instructions, and the necessarily communication to organize and recruit for an attack, and you've got a massive destructive force.  They inform and arm people barely computer literate to be able to cause thousands of dollars of damage almost completely anonymously. Since many people have access to the internet, Anonymous's resources are nearly limitless. Let's see how this event pans out.

Interzone / CrimethInc. Ex-Workers' Collective
« on: August 24, 2009, 10:48:39 AM »
Here's a website, less popular than ANUS, that seems to have the right idea but also has Anarchist tendencies. They have visually appealing propaganda, and seem to be fairly active. I'm happy to see that there are groups other than just ANUS and its offshoots out there are spreading with a strong message of the failures of modern society.

From their website: "History is not something that happens to people—it is the activity of people. In every moment, in every decision and gesture, we make our culture, our life stories, our world, whether we take responsibility for this ourselves or ascribe this power to executives, politicians, pop stars, economic systems, or deities. In a society which glorifies their power and our passivity, all thought which challenges this passivity is thoughtcrime. Crimethink is the transgression without which freedom and self-determination are impossible—it is the skeleton key that unlocks the prisons of our age."


I think it might be helpful to compile a list of groups with similar ideas as ANUS to perhaps form a larger collective. I don't think it's very productive to pigeonhole ourselves into believing that ANUS sees truth better than any other group (although it may be true). So, feel free to post groups with similar ideas as ANUS, and work on forming relationships with them. And remember, a subtle and empathetic troll is a good troll.