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Metal / Re: Good classical labels for beginners.
« on: October 18, 2007, 01:09:12 AM »
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Regarding the Karajans 9th I'm not sure which of the many versions you're refering to but I'll make something clear to you and anyone else reading this: there exists only a handfull of 9th's that anyone with somewhat higher standards should find suitable (Fricsay and Böhm's on DG in particular spring to mind) and only one that is truly awe-inspiring and should be the reference recording of this piece. And that is none other than Furtwänglers performance from 1942 on the Führers birthday which is an interpretation filled with incredible tension, terror, drama and with incredible contrasts between the delicate and intense passages. An absolutely breathtaking "Choral" and the greatest piece of music ever to have been caught on record.


I actually liked Karajan's 1963 recording of the 9th, but it's not the best. Böhm is a little too slow for me with the 9th, though the alla marcia from the last movement is divine. I never listened to the Furtwängler '42 recording in depth, but I know he does the scherzo far more intensely than anyone ever has. I can't even decide on a greatest 9th, but surely Weingartner '35, Furtwängler '42, and Toscanini '52 are among the best. Also, Fricsay had great soloists.

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Interzone / Re: Hair
« on: October 14, 2007, 10:13:44 PM »
I'd say just go with whatever you think looks good with your face, head shape, etc. I had my hair relatively long (about shoulder length usually, at times longer) for the past 5 years or so, but just recently cut it to medium length (about 4 inches) and it looks much better on me.

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Hairstyles are for victims of fashion/trends; either grow it long or shave it all off.


This is too simplistic. Sure, those shitty guido Gotti haircuts are extremely trendy, but not all of them are. My haircut doesn't seem to be trendy (at least not intentionally :-/), it just goes well with my face.

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Metal / Re: If Morbid Angel are Mozart....
« on: October 13, 2007, 10:26:11 PM »
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The process is different, as it has to be with the variation in instrumentation. But what about the spirit? The worldview, and what it hopes to communicate? The way it is composed?


The two can be loosely linked by Romantic ideals, but generally I don't see how the spirit or worldview of the two is similar, particularly the nihilist viewpoint expressed on this website. In the "Inspiration" section it lists Beethoven as a hero, but it seems like they bend things about his life to try to relate it. For example, it starts with: "Most view music as decoration, or something one puts on to match the mood when cleaning house or filing papers; for most music, this is appropriate." Try to find any other composer in all of classical music who does see music that way. And the heroic notion of him "knowing he will die without hearing a 'thank you'" seems to imply that no one appreciated his talents in his lifetime, which is a complete lie. He was greatly admired for his compositions as well as his piano virtuosity (before he went deaf, of course). Sure he was criticized for deviating from the norm, but so was every other great, innovative composer. I'm not saying Beethoven wasn't great, but the wrong aspects of his life and music are being emphasized, not just to distinguish him from other composers, but to make him fit some of the ideals on this site.

Also, if you want to argue for metal relating to Romantic ideals, you should specify the Romantic era rather than saying classical music in general.

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Metal / Re: If Morbid Angel are Mozart....
« on: October 12, 2007, 01:03:10 AM »
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They are and they are not. If you look at it from an ideology point of view, the similarity and the goals they (most good metal) strive for are not at all far from the Romantics. The music itself may be slightly over associated with classical composers by this board but there is no denying the influence on composition as well (whether by accident or not is of course debatable).


I definitely agree with the Romanticism association, but I think it only really applies to black metal (maybe a few others). Certainly thrash and death metal aren't Romantic in feel, but they can be compared to more the rhythmic, dissonant modernist composers like Stravinsky. I remember reading an account of the premier of The Rite of Spring that said that people were pretty riotous, and one guy was even drumming on the back of another guy's head with his fists to the rhythm of the music. Now that is pretty metal.

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Metal / Re: Good classical labels for beginners.
« on: October 12, 2007, 12:49:57 AM »
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If you are a student at an university, there is a good chance they have a subscription with the Naxos online music database, and you can login and listen to their material through your school network.


Yea we have that at my university, but we also have tons of quality CDs at the library. Still, you can hear all the historical recordings on there, as well as more obscure pieces that would be otherwise harder to find. One good thing about Naxos is that for some obscure composers, they are the only company who has a recording of them.

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Metal / Re: If Morbid Angel are Mozart....
« on: October 11, 2007, 11:10:17 PM »
I've heard many times that metal and classical are related, but having listened to both for a long time, I just cannot see it. I mean, Paganini can somewhat be compared to compared to shredding I guess. But to compare any metal band to Wagner is beyond absurd. Recording a metal album on some cheap studio equipment (often the case in black metal) is nothing compared to writing out hundreds of pages of orchestral score for dozens of different instruments, plus chorus and soloists, keeping track of how it's all going to sound when combined in concert, and producing a masterpiece nonetheless. I like both metal and classical, but to me they are two completely different things.

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Metal / Re: Good classical labels for beginners.
« on: October 11, 2007, 10:49:49 PM »
I never buy Naxos. They have no well-known conductors or orchestras (unless it's a Historical recording), and DG and EMI CDs are really not that expensive (around $11 usually). I do, however, really enjoy my Naxos recording of the Grieg piano concerto. There may be some good Naxos recordings here and there, but I'd rather stick with conductors/orchestras that I know are good.

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Audiofile / Liszt, Franz
« on: October 10, 2007, 12:30:53 AM »
Liszt, Franz: Rapidshare, Blogspot, Megaupload

Liszt, Franz

Franz Lizst - Dante Symphony (1978, megaupload)
György Lehel, Budapest Symphony Orchestra

This work was initially intended to be in 3 movements (Inferno, Purgatorio, Paradisio), but Wagner persuaded Liszt not to write the last movement because he thought it would be impossible to represent heaven in music. Instead, it ends with a setting of the liturgical Magnificat.

Liszt, Franz - Faust Symphony
Sir Thomas Beecham
Royal Philarmonic Orchestra
1958

Franz Liszt, Piano Sonata in B Minor
Yundi Li

Franz Liszt - Piano Sonata in B minor, S. 178
Album: Liszt/Scriabin: Piano Sonatas
Composer: Alexander Scriabin
Performer: Ivo Pogorelich

Franz Liszt - 10 Hungarian Rhapsodies for Piano (1975, Megaupload)
Gyorgy Cziffra, piano (EMI)

Franz Liszt - Transcendental Etudes  (?, Megaupload)
Gyorgy Cziffra - Piano

Franz Liszt - Piano Concerto No. 1 in E flat (2006, Megaupload)
Yundi Li - Piano
& Royal Philharmonia Orchestra

Franz Liszt - Beethoven Symphony No. 9 (Piano Transcription) (Megaupload)
Konstantin Scherbakov, piano

Lizst's Piano Transcription of Saint-Saens's Danse Macabre
Arnaldo Cohen, piano.

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