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Interzone / Re: Death vs. Hell.
« on: March 30, 2013, 08:32:40 AM »
This is why, at least in Christian religions, God is described not as a source of life and love, but as being life itself, love itself. For God to exist, He has to encompass all. But "all" does not include things that are not actually there.

This is a distinction lost on even most Christians. Evil is a privation. God cannot be evil. Yet God is the source of all evil i.e. the source of the human response to reality that is called "evil".

Hence the internet atheist asks, if there is a God, why is there suffering? The only deserved response to that is a brutal beating.

Interzone / Re: Death vs. Hell.
« on: March 30, 2013, 07:55:25 AM »
I must ask crow, exactly what did you study in order to arrive at your conclusions on metal and hessians? Somehow I suspect it was the front page of this website. For me, death metal was never really a memento mori, but an expression of the masculine warrior spirit that I wished to cultivate in myself (but did not understand). Specifically the spirit of the Mujahid, the muslim holy warrior. Rather I understood it intellectually but didn't really feel it, though I desired it.

Heavy metal all the way down to black metal revealed some of it to me, the rest was through life. Too lost in intellect, it was difficult for me understand warfare and killing in particular as something that could be enjoyed. Amorally, not in any good/evil sort of way. In modernity, men are not men and some lessons of authority, strength and majesty came to me from really unlocking (the best of) metal music. Some people can get that kind of thing out of reading The Republic or something, not me.

A caveat, while it may not be true for the rest of the people on this board, I am indeed fascinated by the morbid and violent. I don't know why. I don't actually crave death or violence, but I smile at it where the expectation of the world is for me to reject it.

When we say this is really beautiful music, we (at least I) don't mean in a subjective sense. I reject this sort of subjectivity. Most of metal was inaccessible to me initially, a blur of confusing noise. With patience, desire, memorization and a resource that was fascist about quality in metal (this website), the beauty made itself apparent. It's just beautiful, not beautiful for us. But ego and human nature prevent the absorption of this when stated directly, so you have to do it sideways somehow... it's worked for a couple of people I've interacted with one-to-one, but that's about it.

You will always be an outsider to this music without un-crow-like immersion. You cannot be an observer. So if you do not wish to do this, I suggest dropping the topic, because even if we reach some sort of dialectical compromise, your heart and our hearts will not be aligned. A false compromise.

I no longer pay any attention to the betterment of the world.
It is what it is, and only how I behave has any slight influence on it.
I will do my bit. Perhaps you'll do yours.

Jack Donovan had a pretty pithy way of expressing this last sentiment "Hate globally, like locally".

Metal / Re: Band logo
« on: March 30, 2013, 07:14:22 AM »
The fuck kind of band name is that?


Interzone / Re: Is Capitalism bad?
« on: March 30, 2013, 07:12:08 AM »
"Capitalism" as some sort of life philosophy is bad, but supply/demand, free markets etc. are just... human life. It's not a lesser evil, it's not evil at all. The human nature element complicates the matter and turns it into ideology.

It's not these -isms that should be important anyway, it's goals. What helps a society remain cohesive, function and grow is important. So if gigantic corporations deter from this goal, curbing them (even if "anti-capitalist") may be what you do. Scale and motive indeed.

Metal / Re: Band logo
« on: March 29, 2013, 08:55:55 PM »

Interzone / Re: Suggestions
« on: March 29, 2013, 08:59:11 AM »
Just noticed, all of the album review pages have further links to other albums reviewed by the same act, but all the links are wrong. For example:

From http://www.deathmetal.org/bands/bathory/bathory-bathory/ you see a link to The Return..., but the link is http://www.deathmetal.org/bands/bathory/bathory-bathory/bathory-return_the when it should be http://www.deathmetal.org/bands/bathory/bathory-return_the/

This seems to be the case with pretty much every single album review page I'm clicking on.

Interzone / Re: Suggestions
« on: March 29, 2013, 05:50:19 AM »
The reviews on the main page are really vague about whether they liked some of these CDs or not.

Lets take the De Profundis one as an example, because that's the one that has been mentioned most:

Like dub or a really free-form jazz jam, De Profundis songs revolve around a central conflict that encounters interruptions which lead back to the theme. Itís the interruptions that are the main course, ironically enough, because these allow extended rhythm leads and leads that showcase the playing skills here.

"Wankery that circles around itself, but that's the whole point"

Itís a slight to this band to call them ďmetal,Ē because itís clearly only one of several dozen ingredients, but a wide diversity of metal riffing can be spotted here, from Swedish melodic to early black metal. All of this fits into a funky, warm, jazzy exterior that fulfills the expectations of its ageís elites.

"Hipster music that will seem cool to idiots with loud opinions that listen to Pink Frothy AIDS"

Don't really have a problem with dog-whistling and making people read between lines but brutal honesty this is not. If that's the goal, so be it, but expect distaste and alienating fans of the cerebral material.

Interzone / Re: Why am I laughing?
« on: March 28, 2013, 08:54:48 PM »
Uh, this is probably a dumb question but whats it like to be old?

stuff you can't control.

Interzone / Re: Suggestions
« on: March 28, 2013, 07:51:07 PM »
-Have "About Hessianism" actually link to a page.
-Do not praise the substandard even if you give them a platform. Please don't compromise on this, I beg you.
-Keep doing interviews with the above, because even bad metal musicians can be good metal fans and it's worth it to hear their views and beliefs. Like Morgengrau; I hated "Extrinsic Pathway", but I really liked the interview. Same story with Revel in Flesh.
-More sadistic pieces, berate with humour. It has worked for other popular metal outlets (I'm thinking Bill Zebub and Sergeant D).
-The DLA part of the website is not immediately apparent when you wander on to the front page. Perhaps this is deliberate.
-Doubling down on the "Best Of" suggestion.

Most of all, keep doing what you're doing. I can't offer my assistance beyond proselytizing to those around me, I know I could never find the time to make substantial contributions because of my profession. Instead of taking up something beyond my power in a display of zeal and then petering out, I am content to be on the sidelines. But if I can be of some small service at some time, I will not refuse. I don't have any technical skills, just a passion for the music. Hilariously for me, one of my youtube comments somehow made its way to the front page, but I don't think that is much of a contribution.

Interzone / Re: Why am I laughing?
« on: March 28, 2013, 06:33:10 PM »
I don't think that is what was meant to be communicated there. The "we" is humanity in general. Humanity fears death, fears adversity and rejects them; yet it is these contrasts that give life its vital flavour. Metal accepts them and so that fear is lost, or rather transmuted into meaning. The fear of fear is lost. There definitely is an element of the morbid here, a desire to stare into the abyss, but lovingly so. In any case, anything worthy of worship is worthy of being feared. Nothing else is.

Metal is not for everyone, but that's not a problem with metal, it's a problem with everyone :)

Interzone / Re: Why am I laughing?
« on: March 28, 2013, 05:16:59 PM »
Life is about death. It isn't the metalheads who are in the alternate universe. At some point human development took an ugly turn called modernity. Now lies are truth and depravity is honour. Back to "uglier" times, that's metal. We embrace not just the apparently pleasant but the totality, and love every bit of it. Metal is definitely a celebration of life, but it exists in a world that hates life so it must brutally shock it into realization. I would say you got it wrong, yeah. Others may disagree.

Then again this isn't something you can just get right intellectually, dispassionately. Without the experience, these words are mere ramblings. But even so, is death not beautiful?

Edit: For an example, metal is the third panel of Bosch's Garden of Earthly Delights. Ugly figures cavort and torture the blind with their own amusements. Is this a celebration of life? It is, in lesson form.

Interzone / Re: Why am I laughing?
« on: March 28, 2013, 04:01:08 PM »
If you are content to stay away crow, if you do not desire to understand the music itself, then I suggest at least a read of the Philosophy of Metal section. Without the actual experience, the value of those words is less, but it is well stated and comprehensive. Let that be your key to unlocking us if your ears can't take the abuse. Metal is the ode written to a tsunami moments before it hits you. Awe, glory, majesty. Embrace your distaste to lose it.

Pomegranate Tiger is the only one of these I have even passing familiarity with, due to being linked material by an acquaintance. Unfortunately, I have to say it is quite intolerable wankery. The comparison with Animals as Leaders is apt, which is similarly execrable. This is music utterly devoid of spirit, purpose or meaning. If this stuff is only of value in the instrumental prowess of its members then it is akin to a circus act, and the circus is a lot more entertaining. I will listen to the others, welcome to the forum.

Interzone / Re: Why am I laughing?
« on: March 28, 2013, 08:58:40 AM »
If this music is the expression of eternal truth in the face of an ugly civilization, then it will seem ugly, unbearable.

Forget everything you know, feel or care about. Accept nothing but the music. Be eternally patient and let it convince you. This beauty in darkness is not apparent, it must be found. Like all revelations, you laugh when it hits, because it was already there and the change had to occur in you.

Edit: Instead of Hvis Lyset Tar Oss, perhaps a more direct and easily digestible form is needed: www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNZJrX5qMyg

"While we may believe
our world - our reality
to be that is - is but one
manifestation of the essence

Other planes lie beyond the reach
of normal sense and common roads
But they are no less real
than what we see or touch or feel

Denied by the blind church
'cause these are not the words of God
- the same God that burnt the

This is the voice of these words, perhaps you share more here than you realize crow.

Interzone / Re: 'Uber-Man': A primer in how to be one.
« on: March 22, 2013, 06:59:12 PM »
Hold your praise, you offer it to any who take your fancy for the moment, so its worth is little. Disagree = Rebuke. Agree = Praise. The behaviour of trainers of dogs and horses. Not the first time you have mentioned clean-ups either. What does that mean? I asked you before but you did not elaborate. A threat seems to loom, yet plausible deniability is maintained, the very essence of passive aggression. The behaviour of sycophants, cowards and trannies.

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