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Interzone / Re: Feminism drives women crazy
« on: December 07, 2011, 03:43:42 AM »
If I were a woman I would never settle for marriage and children, that sux.

Are you certain of that? Perhaps you'd find yourself at 36y.o. with a ticking biological clock and a fervent passion to reproduce, I mean it happens to a lot of otherwise intelligent individuals.

Interzone / Re: Nihilism in action @ TED - 'The moral mind'
« on: December 07, 2011, 03:32:50 AM »
Morality should about separating the good from the bad, and killing off the bad. There are many of them but not as many as good people, if good people would just grow some fucking balls and crush them.

The extended lecture approaches this well. This is also ruin. The problem with both liberalism to its logical end and the above is that it requires transcendance. It is not possible to do the above (well, you could convince everyone I guess and have your own French Revolution). Morality should function as care for the weak within the framework of separating good from bad (with care for the weak being a part of the continued existence of our biological system; justification is not even important because it is provably so).

It's what bothers me about this place a bit too; far too much "sacrilege". Especially in matters of empathy. Poor recognition of it (or constant degradation, beratement, trolling) as part of a regulating system. This seems to occur naturally to a lot of dumber people. A lack of empathy may be individually useful, but in terms of group it is disease.

Interzone / Re: IRL Trolling
« on: December 06, 2011, 01:42:37 PM »
I wonder what would have happened had he survived and been physically disabled; troll backfire?

Interzone / Re: The appeal of this place
« on: December 06, 2011, 07:15:34 AM »
I'm doing post-graduate study on contemporary naturalistic explanations of religious belief and the epistemological implications for justified belief in a personal God which arise from 'reducing' the origin of religious belief to evolutionary/psychological factors.

I wonder where such line of inquiry ends. What is the goal? What will you prove? If you find evidence that such beliefs (essentially: the "morality" of the universe, the morality of an objective observer that encompasses the universe, the "real" point of view; religion.) hold up our existence... isn't that just "God" again? It would not be a naturalistic explanation for religion, but one for a God, in my view. At least that is the inference, obviously the process can be nothing but empirical.


Interzone / Re: The appeal of this place
« on: December 05, 2011, 11:17:00 AM »
Let me put it this way, it always mystifies me when people try to "figure out" other people online.  Umbrage says take the forum for what it is, but he should heed his own advice.  I would hate to be so hyper-aware, seeing aspies and assholes everywhere I go.  Trying to figure out whether or not you "like" someone on the forum is a waste of time.

While I have to agree with you on some level, overall I think it's a positive quality to see things through in depth (positive i.e. reflecting objective reality or an attempt to). It's what you then choose to do with this realization is where other behaviour steps in. I would cherish such an awareness. I don't think these two separate things should be melded with each other, it is a sort of indictment by association. Isn't your essential message "lighten up" and not "don't overanalyze"?

Interzone / Re: Nihilism in action @ TED - 'The moral mind'
« on: December 05, 2011, 08:38:49 AM »
An excellent talk; empiricism (a vision of objective reality) always provides greater insight into "essential" matters and here it is done well. Essential truth is presented in an undeniable, unignorable form. "Nihilism", what can just be called true objectivity (the point of view of the universe), provides these insights naturally.

Metal / Re: Stale
« on: December 05, 2011, 04:45:18 AM »
Black Metal destroyed itself pretty horribly though.

Interzone / Re: Equality -- how can anyone believe this?
« on: December 04, 2011, 09:08:40 PM »
My views may mirror that of Transcix in the belief that essential worth is not quantifiable by humanity (it requires a consciousness that can appreciate objective reality as a whole, but that is not relevant, merely stated as what occurs to this observer). There is no inherent value, but there is an objective reality. We are "equal" on a cosmic scale, and yes, essentially set apart by what one makes of particular frameworks of subjective definition (affirming what is stated in the first post as undeniable truth). This is expressed in a faith of supposedly "Judeo-Christian" inference (Islam) as; "all are created equal in the eyes of God but judged according to deed."

In the vein of forbidden thoughts, this has been at the very least interesting and thought provoking, particularly as it relates to a certain discussion on this board. Goluf wisely mentions: "We might then say that metal music uses the language of beauty to describe darkness". Is the best of metal not a powerful metaphor for and an affirmation of objective reality defined as language (of its own creation and to its own purposes; the narrative drives the song). The problem that springs forth is that this model derives from a tautology, but according to the man behind it this can be resolved empirically (as mathematical proof). It is diversionary, possibly unsound, but by a mind that at least makes the attempt and is learned to a greater degree than me. It is also an argument for an essential "equality", but beyond that doesn't relate to the thread :D

Interzone / Re: DLA: dark ambient
« on: December 04, 2011, 06:34:59 PM »
On a related note, I have to say how much I appreciate the blog piece on Goatcraft. This individual has diluted elements of metal and presented them apart from the method of the genre in a unique and beautiful way. Like all excellent works, the essential statement stands alone. I believe there is future here for a more expansive movement in "Dark Ambient" employing the (or informed by the) phrase/composition of metal. Appeal for this would be almost nonexistent, but it is a strong argument for the legitimacy of ideas presented at the heights of death/black metal.

Edit: Might as well link a sample, more in the related.

Interzone / Re: The appeal of this place
« on: December 04, 2011, 06:23:17 PM »
This is not the case everywhere. You find intelligent individuals and discussion in the unlikeliest places. Much of actual substance may also come from such forums. But then I don't agree that nothing of substance comes from here. It is what it is. Nevertheless I'm drawn to it only because of metal, not because of conclusions reached. A lot of the philosophical work (Prozak stands out) resonates, I don't generally disagree with and have come to the same conclusion that a form of conservative futurism is the answer. But beyond that there is wild diversion. I suspect this holds true for a lot of people, but they needn't be catered to especially. With the recent movements in constructive directions I feel that something of greater voice will emerge nevertheless, and I welcome it.

This place (specifically, the DLA and discourse about metal) should not be elitist because it is forced to be, but because the content stands alone. The same spirit should follow about the music as well. It is obscure in the realizations required to experience it, in its enhanced expression. It is obscure by its elitism and not by other surface layer qualities (which many fall for). Many look merely for a rejection of their current reality, which they are displeased with, and not a contra-reality. That kind of behaviour is childish and the probable source of more popular metal interest. They will never be catered to here just by the nature of what is discussed. That is the way it should be, not because of any stupid, childish and unconstructive behaviour towards that effect.

Edit: This is not aimed at any individual or individuals, seriously. I believe aiming for deliberate obscurity is selfishness, following from the above.

Metal / Re: Wulfgravf
« on: December 03, 2011, 07:52:35 PM »
That this band inculcates in its work longer phrasing, as well as riffs that are bold assertion as well as ambient/aesthetic/structural tool. The best works of black metal are grand gestures.
That the output of this band reflects the refined tastes and superior understanding of its members.

What are you guys working on now?

Interzone / Re: Living off the grid
« on: December 03, 2011, 05:24:16 PM »
plus it's ethical, your conscious doesn't have to be bothered by contributing to a really fucked up system, and if total collapse happens during your lifetime, wouldn't it be grand if you weren't totally reliant on fragile institutions and could sustain yourself on your own work? fuck city life. stockpile your ammo, boys.

I believe asceticism or isolation that draws from these thoughts to be selfish; solipsist. Everything around me is fucked up, so I will withdraw. Where will you hide from the world? Contribute something of worth throughout your days instead.

People immerse themselves in many lies in order to fulfill their desires in a world without meaning (except themselves). Recognizing that as futile, but then succumbing to the opposite desire is failure.

Interzone / Re: The appeal of this place
« on: December 03, 2011, 11:34:11 AM »
Why do people come here?

Lack of alternatives. There are other places where spirit is preserved above other interests as it is here. It is not exceptional, except for metal.

Metal / Re: Obnoxiously Great Gothenburg Metal: THE ABYSS
« on: December 03, 2011, 10:53:35 AM »
I've listened to this a couple of times, and it sounds quite boring and generic, with several corny moments thrown in. Is this bands music really worth listening to?

The Other Side is definitely worth listening to. Listen beyond elements of cheese/overemotionality to appreciate it; although I don't share your impression. It's not a groundbreaking work, but it's very good.

Interzone / Re: Most European-Americans are probably not aristocrats
« on: December 02, 2011, 08:15:56 AM »
cause my chops are unbustable.

The best of both worlds! A tiny dick and a misplaced sense of superiority!

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