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Chasm / Re: wisdom and the lack thereof - a philosophical or spiritual matter?
« on: November 28, 2011, 04:03:28 AM »
In earlier haste I neglected to respond to the meat of the post:
For example, how can it be said that some people are genetically inferior, if we do not understand the link between the state of wisdom and the state of lack of wisdom? In this regard, it cannot be. It is a gigantic leap..
Considering intellectual intelligence and all the other positive attributes I mentioned before, what combination of these qualities are necessarily required, if any, in order for the possibility of ever attaining spiritual wisdom to be honestly realistic? No idea, but certainly a combination and not any single one (even freakishly enhanced)
Is a quality of actual wisdom itself also passed on in a person's heredity, except not through their genetic heredity but their spiritual heredity (I know many posters on this forum subscribe to the notion of reincarnation)? As elements of wisdom have provable hereditary links, a base level of potential is certainly hereditary. Beyond this, the link is tenuous. Even in strictly biological terms, expression of genetic factors is often a consequence of environment. What do you mean by spiritual heredity? An essential quality passed down directly from biological ancestors or the spiritual awareness present within one's culture/heritage?
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Chasm / Re: how shitting, fasting, sleep deprivation, and marijuana changed my life
« on: November 27, 2011, 10:57:58 PM »
I have not read it, but Dr. Fuhrman may not be a credible individual. The cover makes me immediately skeptical. There is a huge population of unscrupulous individuals selling alternative healthcare ideas or solutions with flimsy or outright fabricated research; as well as rejection of accepted science as being "biased" (which it is, against them, since it may or may not support what they are peddling.)
This quote from Dr. Fuhrman is not encouraging: "It's easy to understand why this study was so hard to get published and the stranglehold the drug companies and the medical profession has on the status quo in disease-care. It should not even be called health care!". This is the usual cry of people with agendas or products to sell. http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2008/12/the_spontaneous_regression_of_breast_can.php <-- the source, plus another statement that brings his integrity into question. I'm no nutritionist, but I share professions with this person and am immediately concerned. Nevertheless, if you have found something of value in it I will not disregard it out of hand. Thank you for making me aware of it.
One of the benefits of ketosis is you don't feel tired at all! You feel alert as fuck. You sound like you have experienced it. A 3 week fast of nothing but water could still cause lasting harm. You do actively metabolize protein in prolonged starvation (several days) whether or not you have stores of fat. It is a part of the starvation response.
This quote from Dr. Fuhrman is not encouraging: "It's easy to understand why this study was so hard to get published and the stranglehold the drug companies and the medical profession has on the status quo in disease-care. It should not even be called health care!". This is the usual cry of people with agendas or products to sell. http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2008/12/the_spontaneous_regression_of_breast_can.php <-- the source, plus another statement that brings his integrity into question. I'm no nutritionist, but I share professions with this person and am immediately concerned. Nevertheless, if you have found something of value in it I will not disregard it out of hand. Thank you for making me aware of it.
One of the benefits of ketosis is you don't feel tired at all! You feel alert as fuck. You sound like you have experienced it. A 3 week fast of nothing but water could still cause lasting harm. You do actively metabolize protein in prolonged starvation (several days) whether or not you have stores of fat. It is a part of the starvation response.
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Chasm / Re: how shitting, fasting, sleep deprivation, and marijuana changed my life
« on: November 27, 2011, 06:01:15 PM »
That is extremely unhealthy diesel. I would advise against repeating that. From my own experience, when ketosis kicks in you gain a certain clarity. That is the most desirable aspect of fasting for me; an induction of death, a triumph of will over biological prerogative. Do not harm yourself to do it though, that's just silly. Make sure you get micronutrients and at least some calories every few days.
I will take your question to be; how long should one fast to receive intellectual/spiritual benefit? An example that comes to mind is the Prophet Muhammad, whatever your views about what he fostered, the man was a thinker, at times an ascetic, and a great faster. In the spiritual traditions of the Sufis of India (also Islamic), there are accounts of people who would fast on alternate days, or for 3 months out of a year etc., obviously influenced by the example of Muhammad. The method of fasting is quite specific: Rise before sunrise, have some optional intake (water, a very, very light meal), then till sunset deprive yourself of all food, drink, sexual congress, drugs (including tobacco) and poor behaviour (hatred, spite, jealousy, envy, backbiting, whatever you consider to be unworthy in this vein). Meditate often. At sunset break the fast with another light meal/water. From experiencing it, it is effective, but you may tailor it to your requirements and preferences. It could be a useful example. Performing it with ritualistic deliberateness, with stated and felt intent, is also powerful and symbolic; adding to the benefit in my humble opinion.
From the perspective of your health, do not completely deprive yourself of calories for longer than 3-4 days. During the first few days of starvation, the body uses up its stores of glucose. After the 2nd/3rd day, breakdown of fatty tissue begins. If starvation continues however, over the course of just over a week the body begins to also use up its own protein. You certainly do not want your body metabolizing desirable protein (muscle) to generate energy. Let it subsist on fatty acids/ketone bodies. Fatty acids are breakdown products of stored fat which are metabolized for energy by almost all tissues of the body. However, the brain can only use either pure glucose or ketone bodies as a source of energy, its cells do not have the chemical mechanisms to use fatty acids. Ketone bodies are a byproduct of metabolism of fatty acids in the liver, they are three chemical compounds that can be thought of as slightly altered building blocks of fat. At about day 4 of starvation, ketone bodies account for ~70% of the energy that the brain receives. As I mentioned earlier, in my experience this produces a clarity of thought that is worth seeking.
The lines directed at diesel also apply. Cultivate thirst, but do not dehydrate yourself unnecessarily; get a good amount of water in you over the course of the day. Ketosis makes the blood acidic (reduces pH), and dehydration can exacerbate this effect. It is unlikely to be harmful unless you overdo it, but it does require the regulatory system in your kidneys that handles blood pH to work quite a bit.
Some traditions relating to fasting by the Prophet Muhammad:
-Narrated Muslim al-Qurashi: "I asked or someone asked the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) about perpetual fasting. He replied: You have a duty to your family. Fast during Ramadan and the following month, and every Wednesday and Thursday. You will then have observed a perpetual fast. (Translation of Sahih Muslim, Book 13, Number 2426)"
-Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Amr bin Al-'As: "Once Allah's Apostle came to me," and then he narrated the whole narration, i.e. your guest has a right on you, and your wife has a right on you. I then asked about the fasting of David. The Prophet replied, "Half of the year," (i.e. he used to fast on every alternate day). (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 31, Number 195)"
great ideas. im already done with the first one. how often and for how long should one fast and deprive themselves though? i don't particularly want to develop any fucked up conditions or die of a heart attack.
I will take your question to be; how long should one fast to receive intellectual/spiritual benefit? An example that comes to mind is the Prophet Muhammad, whatever your views about what he fostered, the man was a thinker, at times an ascetic, and a great faster. In the spiritual traditions of the Sufis of India (also Islamic), there are accounts of people who would fast on alternate days, or for 3 months out of a year etc., obviously influenced by the example of Muhammad. The method of fasting is quite specific: Rise before sunrise, have some optional intake (water, a very, very light meal), then till sunset deprive yourself of all food, drink, sexual congress, drugs (including tobacco) and poor behaviour (hatred, spite, jealousy, envy, backbiting, whatever you consider to be unworthy in this vein). Meditate often. At sunset break the fast with another light meal/water. From experiencing it, it is effective, but you may tailor it to your requirements and preferences. It could be a useful example. Performing it with ritualistic deliberateness, with stated and felt intent, is also powerful and symbolic; adding to the benefit in my humble opinion.
From the perspective of your health, do not completely deprive yourself of calories for longer than 3-4 days. During the first few days of starvation, the body uses up its stores of glucose. After the 2nd/3rd day, breakdown of fatty tissue begins. If starvation continues however, over the course of just over a week the body begins to also use up its own protein. You certainly do not want your body metabolizing desirable protein (muscle) to generate energy. Let it subsist on fatty acids/ketone bodies. Fatty acids are breakdown products of stored fat which are metabolized for energy by almost all tissues of the body. However, the brain can only use either pure glucose or ketone bodies as a source of energy, its cells do not have the chemical mechanisms to use fatty acids. Ketone bodies are a byproduct of metabolism of fatty acids in the liver, they are three chemical compounds that can be thought of as slightly altered building blocks of fat. At about day 4 of starvation, ketone bodies account for ~70% of the energy that the brain receives. As I mentioned earlier, in my experience this produces a clarity of thought that is worth seeking.
The lines directed at diesel also apply. Cultivate thirst, but do not dehydrate yourself unnecessarily; get a good amount of water in you over the course of the day. Ketosis makes the blood acidic (reduces pH), and dehydration can exacerbate this effect. It is unlikely to be harmful unless you overdo it, but it does require the regulatory system in your kidneys that handles blood pH to work quite a bit.
Some traditions relating to fasting by the Prophet Muhammad:
-Narrated Muslim al-Qurashi: "I asked or someone asked the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) about perpetual fasting. He replied: You have a duty to your family. Fast during Ramadan and the following month, and every Wednesday and Thursday. You will then have observed a perpetual fast. (Translation of Sahih Muslim, Book 13, Number 2426)"
-Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Amr bin Al-'As: "Once Allah's Apostle came to me," and then he narrated the whole narration, i.e. your guest has a right on you, and your wife has a right on you. I then asked about the fasting of David. The Prophet replied, "Half of the year," (i.e. he used to fast on every alternate day). (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 31, Number 195)"
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Chasm / Re: Feminists HATE evolution/evolutionary psychology
« on: November 27, 2011, 02:37:41 PM »
Evolutionary psychology is often used as a crutch for preconception, so there may be some validity to the dislike. There is legitimate science, and then there is conjecture and non-sequiturs. The former you will find in publications dealing with science, the latter in ideological blogs and their literary kin. Too often, in non-scientific discussion, it boils down to "evolution did it, hence it is ultimate truth". The two traps I have encountered are "ascribing inherent value", which has been mentioned, and "ascribing purpose".
The current trend is adaptationist, mimicking biology, hence certain basic assumptions are required for the idea to work. However, we know little about how the mind actually works, or even what it really is (in empirically demonstrable terms). Less so even than we understand biology (we can break down mechanisms, but essence and the greater picture both remain elusive). That leaps of logic occur in these fields is valid criticism. The Gaia hypothesis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaia_hypothesis) is a good example of such errors.
Amongst ideologues, attraction develops to hypotheses that do not conflict with their view of reality. The reverse effect can be observed (historically and currently) in the left, but I would attribute this to ignorance rather than some inherent opposition in modern times. People like Peter Singer (author of "A Darwinian Left") have a good approach. Taking the truth humanity learns and reaching one of many conclusions from it without regarding it as absolute. Such plasticity does not lend itself to philosophical discussion unless you want to argue a series of "What ifs".
A denial of the truth because of the well it springs from, essentially (joke or not). Modern men are indeed conditioned towards unrealistic expectations, and women are conditioned into bending to them. That element exists, we gain from acknowledging it. Taking it to an extreme and applying it for the furtherance of an ideology of universal equivalence is where the breakdown occurs. I was going to say it's ironic, but it's actually quite fitting.
The current trend is adaptationist, mimicking biology, hence certain basic assumptions are required for the idea to work. However, we know little about how the mind actually works, or even what it really is (in empirically demonstrable terms). Less so even than we understand biology (we can break down mechanisms, but essence and the greater picture both remain elusive). That leaps of logic occur in these fields is valid criticism. The Gaia hypothesis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaia_hypothesis) is a good example of such errors.
Amongst ideologues, attraction develops to hypotheses that do not conflict with their view of reality. The reverse effect can be observed (historically and currently) in the left, but I would attribute this to ignorance rather than some inherent opposition in modern times. People like Peter Singer (author of "A Darwinian Left") have a good approach. Taking the truth humanity learns and reaching one of many conclusions from it without regarding it as absolute. Such plasticity does not lend itself to philosophical discussion unless you want to argue a series of "What ifs".
Anyway, this article was extremey funny and argued that feminists are physically ugly and that they want to increase their perceived attractiveness by getting men to think that being attracted to slim, beautiful women is simply social engineering and not programmed in their genes.
A denial of the truth because of the well it springs from, essentially (joke or not). Modern men are indeed conditioned towards unrealistic expectations, and women are conditioned into bending to them. That element exists, we gain from acknowledging it. Taking it to an extreme and applying it for the furtherance of an ideology of universal equivalence is where the breakdown occurs. I was going to say it's ironic, but it's actually quite fitting.
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Chasm / Re: wisdom and the lack thereof - a philosophical or spiritual matter?
« on: November 27, 2011, 06:19:02 AM »
I share your view. Merely possessing some absolute measure of intelligence means little. Some people just find it easier to think of things in terms of rigid quantification, perhaps the opposite idea gains traction that way. I do think that intellectual or academic intelligence (whatever you want to call it), is something that should be praised; partly just so that it may be allowed to refine itself. More relevant for pedagogy than a philosophical discourse anyway.
I don't agree with the notion expressed that "less wise" people absorb spiritual concepts very poorly. Rather, a lot of the mental "infrastructure" (in terms of learned things, experience) required to appreciate certain discourse is not naturally present, or remains uncultivated, in a portion of the population. If it is possible (and it is) to transmit the discourse, even using specifically crafted language, then some capability to understand must exist. This is more an argument for clarity of communication than for stratification of wisdom, but I do not deny the existence of a divide. They may not be able to appreciate them as easily, but essential truths beg to be expressed and understood.
That's quite a series of hypotheses! Let's see. Those who are wisest often have the least success coping with modern society: Debateable, I would question a definition of wisdom that allowed for inability to cope with society. That must be an element of wisdom.
Those who have little success in coping with society develop psychological ailments: Credible, but what do you mean by psychological ailments specifically?
People who have little success in coping with society appear to be less wise: See first.
I don't agree with the notion expressed that "less wise" people absorb spiritual concepts very poorly. Rather, a lot of the mental "infrastructure" (in terms of learned things, experience) required to appreciate certain discourse is not naturally present, or remains uncultivated, in a portion of the population. If it is possible (and it is) to transmit the discourse, even using specifically crafted language, then some capability to understand must exist. This is more an argument for clarity of communication than for stratification of wisdom, but I do not deny the existence of a divide. They may not be able to appreciate them as easily, but essential truths beg to be expressed and understood.
Quote from: §Transcix
isn't it perfectly plausible to hypothesize those who are the wisest often have the least success coping with modern society and thus develop the gravest psychological ailments and appear for all intents and purposes to be some of the least wise?
That's quite a series of hypotheses! Let's see. Those who are wisest often have the least success coping with modern society: Debateable, I would question a definition of wisdom that allowed for inability to cope with society. That must be an element of wisdom.
Those who have little success in coping with society develop psychological ailments: Credible, but what do you mean by psychological ailments specifically?
People who have little success in coping with society appear to be less wise: See first.
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Metal / Re: Black/punk
« on: November 26, 2011, 11:00:40 PM »Wondering if anyone here could rec me some good blackpunx. I'm looking for a similar sound to Bone Awl, Syphilitic Vaginas, Ildjarn, etc.
I really don't know what the common thread is between Ildjarn and Syphilitic Vaginas, which is just a regular hardcore band. Are you looking for a certain abrasive sound? Black metal that emphasizes its punk roots? Try the Absurd album "Facta Loquntuur", the Ungod album "Circle of the Seven Infernal Pacts" and maybe Impaled Nazarene's "Ugra Karma". Sort Vokter's "Folkloric Necro-Metal" may provide more from the same font as Ildjarn.
If you're just looking to satisfy a sonic itch then Spear of Longinus and Thor's Hammer may appeal. The first has releases of quality and moments of clarity, the second is second-rate and best avoided.
Edit: Hellhammer is also very worth looking into.
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Metal / Re: "dream like" black metal
« on: November 26, 2011, 08:31:11 PM »
Parts of Sorcier des Glaces - Snowland might qualify. Brilliant stuff.
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Metal / Re: Good electronic music
« on: November 26, 2011, 07:32:31 PM »
Chemically induced ramblings:
Interesting that the Dead can Dance song linked is one with a very positive message. Decoded; The Power We Entrust In Love, Advocated. The lyrics are a literal advocation of the power of love as a solution;
"The way lies through our love;
there can be no other means to the end,
or keys to my heart...
you will never find.
You will never find!"
A wonderful pick too, this is a great song.
The inevitable Beherit link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qKGgFLv8hk
Interesting that the Dead can Dance song linked is one with a very positive message. Decoded; The Power We Entrust In Love, Advocated. The lyrics are a literal advocation of the power of love as a solution;
"The way lies through our love;
there can be no other means to the end,
or keys to my heart...
you will never find.
You will never find!"
A wonderful pick too, this is a great song.
The inevitable Beherit link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qKGgFLv8hk
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Chasm / Re: how shitting, fasting, sleep deprivation, and marijuana changed my life
« on: November 26, 2011, 12:08:48 PM »
There is intelligence and worth everywhere if you look for it. To withdraw is not a sign of strength. I praise ascetics who avoid humanity so that they may delve deeper into their minds without distraction, but I do not praise the ones guided by misanthropy.
Travel and the internet have both been good tools for this, exposing me to a breadth of experience so that I may no longer deny the value in a great many things. Looking beyond surface layers is good (essential), but not if you get stuck 1 layer deep. If you truly cannot survive, leave. Migrate. Change the course of your life.
It's strange for me to see and read these experiences, I grew up in an environment where I was told even as a child that the modern world was a dysfunctional trap; this was a common view. Talking about the poor state of humanity is to people from the subcontinent like talking about weather.
Travel and the internet have both been good tools for this, exposing me to a breadth of experience so that I may no longer deny the value in a great many things. Looking beyond surface layers is good (essential), but not if you get stuck 1 layer deep. If you truly cannot survive, leave. Migrate. Change the course of your life.
It's strange for me to see and read these experiences, I grew up in an environment where I was told even as a child that the modern world was a dysfunctional trap; this was a common view. Talking about the poor state of humanity is to people from the subcontinent like talking about weather.
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Chasm / Re: "The poor": kill them
« on: November 24, 2011, 02:34:24 PM »As a sweeping statement, this is utter bollocks. I feel no "compassion" when I see the vast majority of humans suffer; any "compassion" in me is reserved for my family and friends, and others who seem that they would fit into the latter group.
What quality can we therefore surmise some people possess for you to empathize with them or feel compassion for them? That you know them? Is it something more than that? I can't completely absorb this point of view and see it from your perspective, I am bothered by injustice and suffering in general as well as unwarranted cruelty, but I would like to see it as you do (from you). I have always felt that this is a quality that one should inculcate in themselves, it is a part of being a healthy human being, a quality of Kings. My guess is that a part of it comes from seeing other people as competing entities rather than a part of a human whole or from ignorance of circumstance (and unwillingness, not inability, to put yourself in another's shoes) but this may be wholly inaccurate.
Without meaning to imply anyone here is a sufferer, Asperger's has been described as having an "ultra male" mind. One of its defining traits is a pathological lack of empathy (such that it inhibits the appreciation of social cues that rely on this). Can one possible inference be that at least at some minimum level it is a worthwhile quality?
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Chasm / Re: Chomsky
« on: November 23, 2011, 12:39:07 PM »
To accept those innate qualities as the be-all end-all is exactly as nonsensical as to deny them completely. The problem of genius extends to both. Mutation is a part of Evolution.
Epigenetics also presents an interesting addition to what might be considered "innate" qualities
Non-genetic variation and inheritance is common, and is affected by the environment. Taking a cue from a discussion in another thread, environmentally heritable characteristics could present in ways such as a population being exposed to calorie overload; up-regulating or creating genetic patterns favoring storage of these calories (and hence obesity). Literally, making you prone to be fat even though your great-grandparents may be fine. Also a characteristic that later down-regulates in the absence of the environmental stimulus, sometimes within 3 generations. Be careful what you identify as innate.
Epigenetics also presents an interesting addition to what might be considered "innate" qualities
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Marcus Pembrey and colleagues also observed in the Överkalix study that the paternal (but not maternal) grandsons [48] of Swedish men who were exposed during preadolescence to famine in the 19th century were less likely to die of cardiovascular disease; if food was plentiful then diabetes mortality in the grandchildren increased, suggesting that this was a transgenerational epigenetic inheritance.[49] The opposite effect was observed for females—the paternal (but not maternal) granddaughters of women who experienced famine while in the womb (and therefore while their eggs were being formed) lived shorter lives on average.
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Epigenetic inheritance is the transmittance of information from one generation to the next that affects the traits of offspring without alteration of the primary structure of DNA (i.e., the sequence of nucleotides) or from environmental cues.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgenerational_epigenetics
Non-genetic variation and inheritance is common, and is affected by the environment. Taking a cue from a discussion in another thread, environmentally heritable characteristics could present in ways such as a population being exposed to calorie overload; up-regulating or creating genetic patterns favoring storage of these calories (and hence obesity). Literally, making you prone to be fat even though your great-grandparents may be fine. Also a characteristic that later down-regulates in the absence of the environmental stimulus, sometimes within 3 generations. Be careful what you identify as innate.
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Chasm / Re: The problem is not all of us
« on: November 23, 2011, 02:40:05 AM »
What is your point of view anyway?
Well said.
Quote from: §Transcix
We agree on so many things. The importance and beauty of the environment. The problem of over-consumption. A disdain for simple-minded distractions. A dislike of hypocrisy, fake-ness and mainstream society. A passionate and determined desire to attack life head-on. A fundamental conviction that a successful life takes root at deeper philosophical or spiritual levels rather than on the surface.
Well said.
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Chasm / Re: Chomsky
« on: November 22, 2011, 10:11:35 PM »
Perhaps he simply believes that this is not an insurmountable variation. Not necessarily nonsensical.
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Metal / Re: Bands worth hearing thread
« on: November 22, 2011, 08:44:45 PM »
The stripped down phrases of Vallenfyre on "A Fragile King" are putting me off somewhat, many of these are used in very familiar contexts as well (in addition to the Swedish sound). The overall effect is convincing in terms of narrative, as mentioned. The technique is used effectively to craft atmospheric death metal. Worth hearing for the high points, even though some elements can be an unwelcome intrusion.
Edit: Not all songs suffer from the issue mentioned. A part of this is probably the nature of the narrative, completely recursive and circular; deliberately so. Exemplified on the (standout) track Seeds. The final track deviates somewhat, but similarly illustrates the method (and is another standout track). It also showcases the pure, beautiful pop sensibilities of some of the melody this band possesses.
Edit #2: Fleeting pleasures, I am left mostly unimpressed. It's okay. Perhaps the future holds better works.
Edit: Not all songs suffer from the issue mentioned. A part of this is probably the nature of the narrative, completely recursive and circular; deliberately so. Exemplified on the (standout) track Seeds. The final track deviates somewhat, but similarly illustrates the method (and is another standout track). It also showcases the pure, beautiful pop sensibilities of some of the melody this band possesses.
Edit #2: Fleeting pleasures, I am left mostly unimpressed. It's okay. Perhaps the future holds better works.
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Chasm / Re: The Dictatorship of the Intelligent
« on: November 22, 2011, 05:50:50 PM »
The Intelligent vs. The Religious vs. The Political. It sounds a bit foolish phrased this way.
What are the proclivities of the intelligent men themselves? Can they not be religious, or of a political bent? This is another fool whose vision of the world is restricted to what surrounds him, seeing a fucked up world but applying a personal dogma to it. Quantifying human worth seems simple when you are naive, but when you actually meet people of worth who don't fit handily into a convenient grouping... what then? Can you truly speak this way when you cannot ever be certain that what you promote may be a great wrong? Let the weak die in the chaos? Even Mr. Saxon would cry out if his family and friends were judged similarly unworthy. And surely they would be, surely this is what he speaks of without understanding. You cannot ignore the individual and you cannot ignore basic humanity. These should be basic precepts no matter which solution appeals to you, no matter what ideology. Speak in terms of qualities that the best man should possess.
The words about individual security and betterment are truth and are appreciated, as are the ones about our impending doom.
What are the proclivities of the intelligent men themselves? Can they not be religious, or of a political bent? This is another fool whose vision of the world is restricted to what surrounds him, seeing a fucked up world but applying a personal dogma to it. Quantifying human worth seems simple when you are naive, but when you actually meet people of worth who don't fit handily into a convenient grouping... what then? Can you truly speak this way when you cannot ever be certain that what you promote may be a great wrong? Let the weak die in the chaos? Even Mr. Saxon would cry out if his family and friends were judged similarly unworthy. And surely they would be, surely this is what he speaks of without understanding. You cannot ignore the individual and you cannot ignore basic humanity. These should be basic precepts no matter which solution appeals to you, no matter what ideology. Speak in terms of qualities that the best man should possess.
The words about individual security and betterment are truth and are appreciated, as are the ones about our impending doom.