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Interzone / Re: Pain
« on: November 08, 2011, 06:09:52 PM »
An addition to the previous post is the concept of "Eustress" as opposed to "Distress". Not a biological distinction, the body may suffer either way, but in the sense that you gain pleasure, fulfillment or experience from the stressor that improves your existence: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eustress

The phenomenon of DOMS which I assume was being referred to with the weight-lifting analogy is not clearly understood. The idea of the soreness being caused by torn or repairing muscle fibres is popular in the weight-lifting community but does not have quite so much traction in sports physiology. Nevertheless, that this pain is fulfilling beyond a reflexive release of pleasurable neurotransmitters is probably true. An ocean of anecdotes may not be the best proof, but it suffices in the absence of scientific inquiry. This is not a slight on the example, but a clarification of the phenomenon to prevent misunderstanding.

Interzone / Re: America as a culture
« on: November 08, 2011, 05:51:31 PM »
That lifestyle is a luxury (of sorts) of life in America, vast expanses of wilderness sometimes immediately outside the boundaries of even large cities is something many modern city-dwelling Europeans would find exceedingly strange. A beautiful, enviable luxury.

"What is to happen to all of those who are assimilated into modern American ways? Do they remain in America? They are 'cultureless', but after so many generations of assimilation, hold nearly nothing in common with the culture of their ethnic ancestors. Should they be allowed to die off somehow or forced to return to their country of origin? Or perhaps attempt to assimilate to those of their ethnicity within America? That is roughly what pan-nationalism is, if I'm not mistaken. Though the details elude me now as well as implementation from now to a future ideal of cultural homogeneity."

I would like some elaboration on this. What is the place or fate of these people in the ANUSian view? I apologize if I'm painting a wide array of perspectives under a single brush, but being completely divorced from these issues the opinions expressed on this board tend to take on a certain homogeneity.

Metal / Re: Summoning - Depressive as hell
« on: November 02, 2011, 02:47:46 PM »
I can't agree with this. More poigant than sad. Nostalgic, sometimes solemn, but not sad.

If you realize it's negligible why would you love such a thing? That seems out of sorts even for here.

Metal / Re: Animal Fury
« on: November 01, 2011, 01:02:44 AM »
Do you do weddings?


Some competent sounds from the history of metal, at least as far as guitar is concerned. As pure early demo stuff it's probably better than a lot of start-up bands.

Metal / Re: Bands worth hearing thread
« on: October 30, 2011, 05:04:42 PM »
A strong recommendation for diSEMBOWELMENT's Transcendence Into the Peripheral which I have only very recently explored. While I lack the language to explain it in purely musical terms, the strong union of concept and aesthetic to music that is the hallmark of great metal is here in a powerful way. Compositions of epic length dominate, with successive songs containing contiguous and developing musical ideas (if that's the right word). The sense of grand discovery in an alien, transcendant setting dominates for me personally (specifically in the 2nd half of the album). There was a blog review around here that described it as having a "ritualistic" quality which I thought was absolutely appropriate and consistent with my feelings. Not to mention just some crushing, immediately satisfying riffs, spaces left open for crushing riffs that you play out in your head and are realized later (around oft-repeated themes). After about 2 weeks of listening and with some chemical assistance, I'm confident about putting it up there with the greats of the genre. Edit: An excellent short review

I would really like this album being given serious critical consideration by the members here that are unfamiliar with it. I am generally quite wary of releases touted as hidden gems and I feel this is a sentiment shared by many others. It shouldn't cause you to miss out on this album.

Some questions of my own:

-Which release of Unholy is considered superior? I have listened to The Second Ring of Power cursorily and initial impressions are that it's interesting but not lasting.

-Mystifier's Goetia: The opposite situation, a casual listen impressed me greatly even though it was restricted to the opening 3 tracks (with riffs that may not exactly follow from each other but are aesthetically consistent within tracks and are generally, well, good!). Is this release worth spending time on?

Metal / Re: Burzum - From the Depths of Darkness
« on: October 30, 2011, 02:34:50 AM »
These re-releases are vastly preferable to any new output. It's the most honest way of rehashing past glory I can think of.

Metal / Re: Bands that you want to see reviewed by DLA
« on: February 22, 2011, 10:36:55 PM »
Really? I can't imagine any of the following ever being required listening. I like most of them, to some degree or another, but they are all VERY far from being top-tier on a purely musical level:

I'm assuming the intention here is for an archive of the best, is that correct? In my opinion, any such archive requires a number of 2nd tier releases from relevant periods and influential material that may not be excellent. Now these can't be the majority, but surely they are useful for putting the truly brilliant stuff in context?

Metal / Re: Bands that you want to see reviewed by DLA
« on: February 21, 2011, 11:35:30 AM »
Well, speaking of promoting the best, any bands on the DLA that really shouldn't be there??

Certainly can't think of any at several glances. Even the less than stellar stuff has some historical value. Nevertheless I feel that Ancient doesn't belong in the Best-Of while Supuration almost certainly does.

Metal / Re: Indian classical music
« on: February 21, 2011, 12:54:33 AM »
Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan made a lot of cool music (I have two of his CDs), but it's worlds away from Indian classical... Of course, to our brutish Western ears a lot of very different shit from other cultures initially sounds the same ;)

That is not correct. Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan's music is not "worlds away" from Indian Classical. It is deeply, deeply intertwined with the preeminent genre of vocal Hindustani Classical music called Khyal. Not only can the roots of Khyal gayaki (singing) be traced to Qawwali (the late Nusrat's genre), Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan himself brought the concepts of modern Khyal back into Qawwali and by any reckoning turned it into a valid form of North Indian Classical. His performances are littered with exploration and development of Ragas - usually in the form of a Raag Mala: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raga_mala - Laykari (I don't know how to translate this), Sargam (a sort of scat I suppose that uses the indian solfege: Sa Re Ga Ma Pa Dha Ni) and the vocal techniques and ornamentation that is characteristic of hindustani classical.

Beyond that, Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan also performed pure Khyal as does the rest of his family. Here is a performance I like, it's nothing really special but both the leading musician and the accompanist (Nusrat and Tari Khan) are maestros and there are some playful antics I find enjoyable. Tari Khan is somewhat notorious for trying to break the rhythm of the performers he accompanies and Nusrat throws that right back at him: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5jC5jNjTlM. This is Khyal in a qawwali sort of style, but still unquestionably Khyal.

Here is another performance in a somewhat similar vein i.e. the "sangat" (forgive the lack of explanation, I can't think of an English term at the moment) of two great performers. Shivkumar Sharma is the foremost player of the santoor, a Kashmiri instrument that was unknown in classical before his lifetime and has no proponent today that matches his virtuosity. Zakir Hussain is probably the greatest tabla player of all time. This is a completely unrehearsed performance where the only set thing is the Raag (I think it's Raag Kirwani, unsure). The rhythm is determined by Shivkumar and Zakir must read and follow. He does far more than just that. Understanding this helps to appreciate what the audience is applauding: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rG3Rpv78DA

Ali Akbar Khan has already been linked in this thread, here is a performance I enjoy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hobK_8bIDvk. The exposition and elaboration of the raag will be difficult to grasp but the Dadra (a kind of fixed composition in north indian classical) that he plays around the 7 min mark onwards should be enjoyable.

For examples of vocal music, here is an excellent performance by Ustad Rashid Khan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfvRoNLtiLA
Rashid Khan is my favorite proponent of vocal indian classical. He is probably the foremost performer of his generation. This is an example of Khyal in it's purest form. The Raag is Hansadhwani, a personal favorite of mine. The performance begins, as always, with an "alaap" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alap), following which the main theme is presented and expanded upon. After this is some sargam improvisation. The antara comes very late in the performance at the 7:44 mark. Some further sargam and some tihaais (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tihai) end the performance. Remember that this is improvisational, the only fixed things are the Raag, the rhythm (Teental: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tintal in Drut Lay or Fast Tempo and Madham/Madhyalay or Medium Tempo).

A final link, Kaushiki Chakraborty singing a Thumri (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thumri) in Raag Khamaj: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpfp2MGamc8

I apologize for using some esoteric terminology. I have the barest familiarity with the language of western music. I'm sure Google can be of assistance. This is a somewhat rambling post but I would be glad to share my limited knowledge of hindustani classical if anyone has any questions.

Oh, about Ravi Shankar. He's good, he is responsible for exposing this music to a wider audience and as such is recognized for his great service. However, he is not great. I cannot seriously listen to his solo performances. His first wife on the other hand, Anapurna Devi, who plays the Surbahar is most certainly a genius. If you are interested in the Sitar, Ustad Vilayat Khan is a good start. He was a very traditional player and his recordings may help in the understanding of the rules of hindustani classical.

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