the problems in Israel arose after they formed. in several interviews in Israeli metal magazines the members professed to be openly Satanic (which does not bode well in a city home to 3 of the world's largest religions, all of which see a sort of "hell" in the afterlife). difficulties had them relocate to Amsterdam, as you stated.

their first album "As Jerusalem Burns..." is quite an interesting and adventurous listen. they, unlike more recent works of Nile, incorporate their Middle Eastern influence in their guitar work (also on later releases), and it makes their sound flow naturally, instead of sounding forced.

i also have "Sphinx" by them, and that is an accomplished work as well. however i still do prefer their first album. legitimate indeed, great even.

A non-solution is worse than staying silent, don't you think?

Grindcore has a high burn-out rate, as does simplified death metal (Skinless, Origin, Cannibal Corpse).

There is a reason: futility.

I like the best of grindcore because it rose above this. Terrorizer, Bolt Thrower, Blood, Carbonized, Carcass.

The rest is a repeat of Hardcore, which blew itself out three years before. Why keep repeating dead cycles?

Origin isnt SIMPLIFIED death metal, theyre just too overtly technical. good for a song or 2, but i agree in that they get boring after about 8 minutes.

and i suppose it depends on the situation, but not everyone can stay silent all the time.

no, they have riffs, they just prefer to drag them out as long as they can.

if they increased the tempo of all of their songs by about 100 BPM, they might be an interesting death metal band.

good point DMBM. i was getting at the statement that no good hardcore albums came after 1985, and that AOQ was released in 1988 (or 87?). that was my whole deal.

its a fucking great album though. one of the best in the hardcore scene.

also seems metal RIP woke up on the wrong side of the bed today.  

Assuck is trally great, however I have AIDS and i'd say that Misery Index is better than ANticapital (The band with the same name also crushes, too bad becuase of their ideology, really great guys).

their ideology? im not sure of it. could you explain?

all that aside, Misery Index is a very good release. but then, you cant really go wrong with any Assuck material. not a dud in the bunch.

also, i own 2 albums and an EP from the BAND Misery Index, and ive seen them live. pretty impressive all around (composition, instrumental talent, lyrics, etc). you can tell that theyre really into what their doing. "honest", i like to call it. quality stuff.

Too repetitive? ASSUCK? you cannot be serious. their music constantly changes. they dont stick to a guitar part for more than 10 seconds usually. personally, Assuck is one of my favorite grindcore bands. completely crushing, brutal, nihilistic music.

id go so far as to say Assuck is one of the best grindcore bands there ever was, and ever will be. everyone here should check out "Anticapital". one of the finest grind releases ever put forth.

i highly doubt that any one band INTENDS to make music which is inherently boring, their intentions are almost always to please the listener.

we need to find ways to effectively channel that good spirit into the music.

Niden Div 187

sorry, what do you mean by that?

and yes, IW can get a bit repetitive sometimes. i give them their credit, however, and they are certainly a breath of fresh air in the wake of all of this "scenegrind".