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Metal / Re: Metal is 100% derived from classical
« on: October 11, 2007, 05:20:56 PM »
Never forget about most alienating (along with blastbeats), bastard technique of metal - so called tremolo picking. It is still almost exclusively used in metal, after about 25 years from its iception in genre.

I'm not sure you're saying that it was invented within metal (I'll assume you're not) but it is quite commonly used in flamenco and a lot of eastern folk string instruments. But like you said, its best effect is felt through metal, mainly the way it's used in black metal.

Interzone / Re: slam death
« on: October 11, 2007, 05:18:05 PM »
This is hardly a recent genre, but I agree with the above poster. It attempts (who doesn't these days) to combine the best elements of 80s grindcore/speed mixed with that annoying metalcore-ish groove, and fails to achieve anything substantial or worth spending time on, from the few bands I have listened to anyway.

Interzone / Re: Musical diversity
« on: October 11, 2007, 02:37:43 PM »
I know Piece Of Time is not jazzy, I just meant that I appreciate the old Atheist more. Sorry about the confusion, and as I said, UP will get a few more listens from me.

Of course there's no guarantee that you'll like it, just that I, like most people, find that the particular album has some excellent songwriting and there is not a lot of notes out of place there. I can't say the same to the pop-rock album that is Elements though. On the whole, I am not a fan of this so called "jazz metal" gimmick because most attempts to meld the two are either pretentious or downright lame. UP is about the only album in that vein that ever impressed me.

Metal / Re: History question about Slayer's music style
« on: October 11, 2007, 02:28:33 PM »

Slayer has no modality. Their music is atonal. There is nothing Lydian or Mixolydian about their music. These happen to be major scales. Yet another example of someone on the internet throwing out fancy words in order to appear knowledgeable.

"more extensive in use of phrase to convey change within the solos." What does this mean? I will answer myself. Nothing, it's pure gibberish.

I'm curious to know who are these bands that "came out of the extremes of progressive rock" with their tonal based music? ::)

Only Slayer's solos are atonal. There is no metal that is atonal, not even Gorguts (though they come close). As for the Priest thing, it should be obvious to anyone who actually listens in depth to both 70s Priest and 80s Slayer in depth. There was a video (guitar lesson) of Kerry King explaining how his work on Dead Skin Mask was based on something Priest used to do, but that seems to have been taken down.

Interzone / Re: Musical diversity
« on: October 11, 2007, 07:41:11 AM »
Ok, maybe I'm too much stuck on Piece Of Time. Although, from what I recall, I did not enjoyed Unquestionable Presence that much from a jazz metal, genres mixing perspective. Perhaps I should listen to it some more.

Piece of Time is hardly a jazz-metal album, more a straightforward death metal album. UP is the opposite. Maybe you got the album names mixed up if you downloaded them.

Metal / Re: Ildjarn is Dead
« on: October 10, 2007, 07:38:25 PM »
This 2CD final release features a 16000 word missive written in 8pt Old English font. Does anyone have a transcription?

This is supposed to be in the booklet but is probably not what you're looking for. For informations sake anyway: "Note from the recording artist:
Before purchasing this product you should take great care in observing the following requirements in relation to it:
After long-term use of this product you may experience increased hatred, thus a lust to kill partcipants of your own breed subsequent to and while operating this product may consequently occur. The copyright owner of this audio product and all its accompanying propaganda declares that it is in compliance with the essential requirements of antilife, and hereby assumes all liability for any injury or death caused by the use of this product. If inexperienced with the kind of hateful and suicidal contents distributed through this product, you should seek the advice of experienced misanthropists and death-worshipers before operation, to assure proper use and to prevent the interference of alien thoughts originating from philanthropists, which will most likely harm the process that may be the result of using this specific product. This product is furthermore solely intended for use in a solitary confinement, and should not be subjected to any other use. Following these rules, this recording and the accompanying words will provide a lifetime of pure frustration, caused by the newly acquired knowledge of the insufficiencies and absurdities of earthly life. If failing in the harsh process of submitting to these rules subsequent to your purchase, users are strongly urged to give away this product to a being willing to obey to the unwritten laws conceived by the sources of death’s path, and ultimately the annihilation of the self. Again, be sure to consider all the above requirements prior to your purchase."

Is he actually dead?

Interzone / Re: Musical diversity
« on: October 10, 2007, 07:18:54 PM »
I like this whole Idea of jazzy metal, althought it's true that Pestilence did not quite achieved it. Naked City is good but not really metal though, while Atheist had some real cool jazz parts in their songs but like Pestilence they pretty much failed in songwritting on "Unquestionable Presence" I think. Overall, I rarely saw a good blend of music genres.

I hope you made a mistake with Atheist...I think the album you must be referring to is Elements, certainly not UP.

Interzone / Re: Panterrible
« on: October 09, 2007, 09:11:20 PM »
Dude, Thank you for the suggestion but  I play guitar. I know my theories well enough.

Ok. If music is not subjective then who decides what is good music and what is shit music? based on what? Some music geek who is extremely competent in music theory? What does he base his judgement on? How complex the theory applied is or what he feels from the music based on that theory? Isn't it about what feelings the music evoke rather than a total utility that the mechanical breakdown of the music yields? Even if it is the latter then different theories , techniques would hold different value for different listeners. So, basically you are saying that I should listen to you, who apparently is more wise when it comes to music, and shut the fuck up. Even if I do that,  isn't it  true that you like the music you like because you percieved it in a certain way? If that is not subjective that what is?

By the way I'am not trying to convert anyone here in the forum into liking Pantera. Unlike you (some of you) , I do not hold the mentality  that what I like must be liked by everyone else and those who like what I despise, must be morons.

Once again, it's strange how you keep on asking questions that have already been addressed on these boards and answers that are obvious to those with a little common sense. I quote what I read from user esoteric on another thread very recently:

"If we look at music as the communication of ideas and not simply the eliciting of an emotional response, it is possible to rank both the quality of the ideas and the ability of the music to communicate them. Ideas can either relate to describing the true nature of our reality (something which can hardly be said for the Rolling Stones) or in a more creative, idealistic sense like the Romantics did.  

Some people are unable to interpret music and hence may respond emotionally to idiot music. This is possible for any piece of art, be it literature or painting, but it doesn't say anything about the quality of the ideas contained within the art."

In other words, you're welcome to think Pantera is cool, while still not providing a single reason beyond "it's subjective" while on the other hand plenty of users on this board over the years have provided reasons why they are NOT (and like I said this has nothing to do with the ability to play instruments, which you seem to think is the only skill necessary in a metal band). Their composition style has clearly been explored in this thread and others and you haven't refuted it (that's why I told you to take some music lessons). To be honest, nobody really cares about Pantera here. Whether they were good or bad is not really relevant to the future of metal as I can see it, because all they did was draw idiots to metal and inspire it to become a bigger mess even faster. That and the fact that this is a death/black metal board and not a beer metal board might also give you a clue.

Interzone / Re: Apparently we all love television and shopping
« on: October 09, 2007, 05:22:44 PM »
Just out of curiosity, how does the rankings know the race of the visitor? I didn't know those are taken down by service providers, and even so, that they're legal to give out.

Interzone / Re: Panterrible
« on: October 09, 2007, 04:39:50 PM »
What is the meaningful way to treat this meaningless life then?

The irony in you calling me selfish is just fucking amusing. You say you know the right music from the wrong. You say your type of music is the good music and other music are made for morons. And then I'am Selfish.I'am the one not being open minded enough. Interesting.

I totally agree with you that some music are made for morons. But who is to decide? How come all of a sudden YOU have the authority to decide what is Good music and what is Bad music and enforce the good music, as you perceive it, upon others?

I was not trying to say in any way that because Kerry King and the likes praise Pantera , it must be good. The idea of good music and bad music is subjective and  this sir is the fact that YOU don't wanna admit.

In your case, being "open minded" seems to equal being tolerant of shit. Your only argument throughout this thread is that Pantera is not bad because our enjoyment of their music is subjective. Let me quote an old post from B4B that I highly enjoy (and if you get it, you might too)

"Everything is subjective, and nothing is. Your existence? Subjective. Your influence? Subjective. Your experience? Subjective. Your death? Objective. Subjective/objective distinctions are a word game based on the difference between body and mind, grow out of it."

Pantera is shit for a number of musical reasons that have been covered on this board and elsewhere on this site to exhaustion over the last couple of years. Please use the search function and revel in the details. If you're trying to liken Pantera to other bands held in higher esteem on this site, you're obviously clueless about the purpose of this site, which is to promote ART over mediocrity. While some of the other bands mentioned on this thread eventually lost their art in favour of  producing rubbish, they once produced great works that are benchmarks in metal. Pantera, on the other hand, were never great, because they never really were metal in any sense of the word. Ability to play instruments has very little to do with that. That is the purpose of this thread. Quit being so self-obsessed and try and understand that. In any case, the approach you've taken isn't going to convince anyone that Pantera is good, because I've yet to see you make an argument that supports this. (Aside from the subjective nonsense).

Interzone / Re: Apparently we all love television and shopping
« on: October 09, 2007, 04:09:18 PM »
Actually, the first thing you get if you type "anus" on Google is this site, so it figures.

Interzone / Re: Apparently we all love television and shopping
« on: October 09, 2007, 03:29:30 PM »
I think most people who chance upon the site are actually hoping to find porn.

Good point. This site is also generally high up on the rankings for a lot of the death metal bands reviewed here, when you type it on google. In some cases, it's the band website, followed by wikipedia, followed by the anus band page. I've a feeling some of them just click on that, don't understand the reviews, look around a bit and then leave. It doesn't mean that they do or do not agree with the views of the site. Most of them probably don't even have the attention span to read whole articles.

Interzone / Re: Elitism
« on: October 08, 2007, 11:41:42 AM »
I managed to piss of a few of you with my posts, which is good, because angry people think harder than numb ones. This brought up some good questions.

Angry people will usually respond with reactionary impulses that are full of holes when viewed in a less hormone-fueled light. I've been hanging around this board for a couple of years now (before you were here- at least in your current incarnation) and there has been this issue of useful people being put down by the angry, cynical ones cropping up now and then, but I don't think any 'elitist' on this board is inherently bad, and I've learned something from many of your posts, though been highly amused by the ludicrousy of some others.

Interzone / Re: Origin and purpose of the universe?
« on: October 08, 2007, 06:19:39 AM »

For how long have people been arguing about the existence of a, "God"? For millenniums at the very least. And where has that gotten us? The same fucking place.

With, "God", and the origin of the Universe, both are things I think we'll never know and I'd rather spend my time worrying about things we do, or can understand.

You're re-appropriating all cultures to the (now) Western belief system...that is not entirely correct. Most of the Eastern and African world have had their own beliefs in multiple Gods for millenia as well. Some of them may sometimes correspond similarly to some beliefs held in the Judeo-Christian God. In any case, the belief in supernatural (generally superior) beings is part and parcel of human/cultural history, it has shaped humanity (for better or for worse) over thousands of years, and to ignore it completely (I don't mean we should worship it, but to cease analysing it completely) could mean to ignore a part of humanity's core culture.

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