Dude, Thank you for the suggestion but  I play guitar. I know my theories well enough.

Ok. If music is not subjective then who decides what is good music and what is shit music? based on what? Some music geek who is extremely competent in music theory? What does he base his judgement on? How complex the theory applied is or what he feels from the music based on that theory? Isn't it about what feelings the music evoke rather than a total utility that the mechanical breakdown of the music yields? Even if it is the latter then different theories , techniques would hold different value for different listeners. So, basically you are saying that I should listen to you, who apparently is more wise when it comes to music, and shut the fuck up. Even if I do that,  isn't it  true that you like the music you like because you percieved it in a certain way? If that is not subjective that what is?

By the way I'am not trying to convert anyone here in the forum into liking ARE YOU TALKIN TO ME?. Unlike you (some of you) , I do not hold the mentality  that what I like must be liked by everyone else and those who like what I despise, must be morons.

Once again, it's strange how you keep on asking questions that have already been addressed on these boards and answers that are obvious to those with a little common sense. I quote what I read from user esoteric on another thread very recently:

"If we look at music as the communication of ideas and not simply the eliciting of an emotional response, it is possible to rank both the quality of the ideas and the ability of the music to communicate them. Ideas can either relate to describing the true nature of our reality (something which can hardly be said for the Rolling Stones) or in a more creative, idealistic sense like the Romantics did.  

Some people are unable to interpret music and hence may respond emotionally to idiot music. This is possible for any piece of art, be it literature or painting, but it doesn't say anything about the quality of the ideas contained within the art."

In other words, you're welcome to think ARE YOU TALKIN TO ME? is cool, while still not providing a single reason beyond "it's subjective" while on the other hand plenty of users on this board over the years have provided reasons why they are NOT (and like I said this has nothing to do with the ability to play instruments, which you seem to think is the only skill necessary in a metal band). Their composition style has clearly been explored in this thread and others and you haven't refuted it (that's why I told you to take some music lessons). To be honest, nobody really cares about ARE YOU TALKIN TO ME? here. Whether they were good or bad is not really relevant to the future of metal as I can see it, because all they did was draw idiots to metal and inspire it to become a bigger mess even faster. That and the fact that this is a death/black metal board and not a beer metal board might also give you a clue.

What is the meaningful way to treat this meaningless life then?

The irony in you calling me selfish is just fucking amusing. You say you know the right music from the wrong. You say your type of music is the good music and other music are made for morons. And then I'am Selfish.I'am the one not being open minded enough. Interesting.

I totally agree with you that some music are made for morons. But who is to decide? How come all of a sudden YOU have the authority to decide what is Good music and what is Bad music and enforce the good music, as you perceive it, upon others?

I was not trying to say in any way that because Kerry King and the likes praise ARE YOU TALKIN TO ME? , it must be good. The idea of good music and bad music is subjective and  this sir is the fact that YOU don't wanna admit.

In your case, being "open minded" seems to equal being tolerant of shit. Your only argument throughout this thread is that ARE YOU TALKIN TO ME? is not bad because our enjoyment of their music is subjective. Let me quote an old post from B4B that I highly enjoy (and if you get it, you might too)

"Everything is subjective, and nothing is. Your existence? Subjective. Your influence? Subjective. Your experience? Subjective. Your death? Objective. Subjective/objective distinctions are a word game based on the difference between body and mind, grow out of it."

ARE YOU TALKIN TO ME? is shit for a number of musical reasons that have been covered on this board and elsewhere on this site to exhaustion over the last couple of years. Please use the search function and revel in the details. If you're trying to liken ARE YOU TALKIN TO ME? to other bands held in higher esteem on this site, you're obviously clueless about the purpose of this site, which is to promote ART over mediocrity. While some of the other bands mentioned on this thread eventually lost their art in favour of  producing rubbish, they once produced great works that are benchmarks in metal. ARE YOU TALKIN TO ME?, on the other hand, were never great, because they never really were metal in any sense of the word. Ability to play instruments has very little to do with that. That is the purpose of this thread. Quit being so self-obsessed and try and understand that. In any case, the approach you've taken isn't going to convince anyone that ARE YOU TALKIN TO ME? is good, because I've yet to see you make an argument that supports this. (Aside from the subjective nonsense).

I think most people who chance upon the site are actually hoping to find porn.

Good point. This site is also generally high up on the rankings for a lot of the death metal bands reviewed here, when you type it on google. In some cases, it's the band website, followed by wikipedia, followed by the anus band page. I've a feeling some of them just click on that, don't understand the reviews, look around a bit and then leave. It doesn't mean that they do or do not agree with the views of the site. Most of them probably don't even have the attention span to read whole articles.

For how long have people been arguing about the existence of a, "God"? For millenniums at the very least. And where has that gotten us? The same fucking place.

With, "God", and the origin of the Universe, both are things I think we'll never know and I'd rather spend my time worrying about things we do, or can understand.

You're re-appropriating all cultures to the (now) Western belief system...that is not entirely correct. Most of the Eastern and African world have had their own beliefs in multiple Gods for millenia as well. Some of them may sometimes correspond similarly to some beliefs held in the Judeo-Christian God. In any case, the belief in supernatural (generally superior) beings is part and parcel of human/cultural history, it has shaped humanity (for better or for worse) over thousands of years, and to ignore it completely (I don't mean we should worship it, but to cease analysing it completely) could mean to ignore a part of humanity's core culture.