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Metal / Would help like-minds sell out but am flat broke unfortunately
« Last post by aquarius on February 27, 2015, 01:45:33 PM »
It's often the case, but I honesty haven't much desire to explore beyond a certain point in a band's discography, especially once they reach the point of boredom with having achieved what they set out to do (and hence the inevitable shift of gears). Still, what was good shall always be good in a way, even if only at that time and in that particular headspace within which it was encountered. There was a connection and so be it; I gain more from the memories of memories than when having to repeat an experience or be led in a direction contrary to my own. To be honest, I might never even have given any of my all-time favourites another listen after a certain point, despite knowing they where top notch or meant a lot to me etc. Basically, just move on and keep wandering the land. Completely selfish by default.
Metal / Re: Tangerine Dream
« Last post by Spinal on February 27, 2015, 01:35:46 PM »
I will indeed give the earlier material another chance or two. I remember feeling a bit lost when listening to Alpha Centauri for example, but it might just be that I was focusing too much on structure and less on, lets say, atmosphere. "Electronic meditations" felt more like  bland krautrock. I got the feeling that it was more of a spontaneus recording, but that they hadn't reach the genius-y spontaneusness (?) of Richochet.
What's your opinion of these recordings, aquarius? Sorry if I'm bothering you, but I'm on a TD high at the moment!
Metal / Re: Tangerine Dream
« Last post by aquarius on February 27, 2015, 01:10:23 PM »
I tend not to like the prog-y direction as much as I do the earlier cosmic atmospheric ambient sound. But as you say, from around Phaedra and onwards to Stratosfear is probably the zenith. Nevertheless those albums falling either side of a given high-point are still good or at least interesting. And any live bootlegs from the early to mid 70s are better still!

Metal / Re: Tangerine Dream
« Last post by Spinal on February 27, 2015, 08:56:14 AM »
I'm not familiar with the entire TD output (well, who is?). I've got a 3CD collection of their Virgin albums, reaching from Phaedra up to Cyclone. From what I gathered, this covers their most praised albums, with the exception of Cyclone which seems to seen as a 70s lowmark for the band. I've tried out their earlier stuff also, but it didn't do much for me. While the Phaedra-Rubycon-Richocet triptyk seem to be somewhat above criticism, I really enjoy Stratosfear as well. When it comes to Cyclone.... Bent Cold Sildwalk is a nice little tune, but the rest is progrock going nowhere. Did they do anything more in this vein? How wonderful it would be to see this band doing something more thought-through in the progrock-style! Or, maybe not.
Metal / Re: Tangerine Dream
« Last post by aquarius on February 27, 2015, 07:45:18 AM »
I suppose instruments of melody can take on a percussive effect at times just like percussive instruments can be tuned a certain way to create certain pitches (depending on a given composition, this could at times lend itself to melody).

Of course when it comes to electronic music this is even more the case, as the medium itself is all about manipulating what sounds real, and hence being better suited to 'otherworldly' type music than the replication of acoustic sound. But really, it all depends.

As for Stratosphere, well it's got a fair bit more of that murky, billowy, cosmic atmosphere stripped away than previous albums. I do still like it (as I remember) but haven't visited in the longest of times. Yes, looping and sequences became more pronounced, conveying the ever-familiar effect of audible momentum/movement while at other times suddenly giving rise to expansive senses of distance (which could further give rise to one's foot reaching at non-existent brake-pedals). Cover design and artwork is among some of the most creative I have seen. While to it's detriment, synths started taking on that cheesy proto-80s aesthetic a bit.

I suppose, on the whole it could be said that it's the obvious point at which they changed directions (most will say for the worst) while still retaining enough artistic integrity for it to be a good album.

(insert two cent coin)
Metal / Re: Percussion
« Last post by aquarius on February 27, 2015, 05:42:02 AM »
Definitely one of my favourite drum performances.
Metal / Re: OrthodoxBlackMetal webzine
« Last post by Mpastardos on February 26, 2015, 03:10:52 PM »
The first work that i listen and review from Costa Rica is the EP of Ordo Caper released in 2012, "Haspu (EP 2012)". You can check it online.

English http://www.orthodoxblackmetal.com/ordocader-haspuep2012.php

Greek http://www.orthodoxblackmetal.com/ordocader-haspuep2012gv.php

Metal / Re: Tangerine Dream
« Last post by Spinal on February 26, 2015, 03:08:21 PM »
Good points... I have a question about Stratosfear. When revisiting this album the other day it made me think about the percussive elements I mentioned earlieR. The rhythm elements, are they not melodies? It's like TD uses the  melodies with more of a looped and "forceful" character as rhythm. Maybe this is obvius (or plainly wrong), but atleast it made me think.
Metal / Re: Tangerine Dream
« Last post by aquarius on February 25, 2015, 10:42:43 AM »
I dare say, you are not wrong Spinal! From around the point of creating Phaedra and onwards for a few albums they achieved a synergy of these two directions i.e. semi-narrative type structure and droning obscure atmospheric sound-textures such as can be found on an album like Zeit.

But whereas in metal riffing this takes the form of a jigsaw puzzle, Tangerine Dream employ their narrative moreso like a collage or painting in the style of impressionism i.e. somewhat still abstracted by atmosphere. And the moments of intensity are indeed there for those whom develop the perceptual ear (perhaps more readily identifiable to listeners of black metal than death metal, again because of the emphasis on manipulating atmosphere).
Metal / Re: Tangerine Dream
« Last post by Spinal on February 24, 2015, 10:45:36 AM »
I must disargree here, atleast in the Rubycon case. I think it is very well structured and progresses in a thought-through way, just like the best death and black metal. If you look at the Stratosfear album it is even more "forceful-sounding" with its distinctive melodies and percussion. Or am I wrong?
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