Probably nobody has mentioned it because it isn't so obviously obvious.
I, for one, have no idea what you mean.
What do you mean?

That plummet to zero is the sweetest fall there is.
Those who have survived it know this.

There are mommy issues and daddy issues, as a result of too much or too little attention given to the child. Without a father figure, girls turn out rebellious and feisty, using negative reactions to gain attention. Lack of self-respect is the end result.

Quote from: diesel on May 22, 2013, 03:32:41 AM

What I don't understand is, if existing primitive tribes where there is no monogamy and children don't know their fathers have happy children, why doesn't Western society?
Does the void actually come from comparing yourself to others, other kids who had a dad show them how to ride a bike? What is to be said of all those missed experiences?
I can agree that the father in a patriarchy does shape masculinity and femininity in his children, but that is because more discipline is needed on top of their genetic femininity and masculinity. Patriarchy is a cooperative system that has to run smoothly through generations.
Probably the darkest thought that crosses my mind is how black children without fathers seem to be more okay than white people without fathers. I don't mean this in terms of their SAT scores or criminality, but in their general confidence. They seem to be keeping it together more than white children who crumble emotionally. White people are more prone to existential anxiety, perhaps due to higher IQ.
I don't want to consider the idea that certain races are biologically hardwired to be used to certain mating schemes, due to different hormones and future/present oriented thinking, and such. It's possible, but I'm just not ready to think about that.

It think you're taking enormous liberties in comparing the environments and realities of primitive tribes with those of modern society. For instance how can you assume that women in primitive tribes are happier? Furthermore at the end of the day it's not all about happiness.

The women in tribes have kids, easiest way to tell if they're psychologically happy. Women are also okay with sharing men. Their kids.. how can they miss something they've never known? the societies don't seem to be producing sterile or insane individuals the way the West does.

I don't think making the comparison is as crazy as what psychology does with daddy issues. It actually convinces people that they're fucked up and chemically imbalanced because of their absent fathers, so they remain children until they're 40 and it's too late to make a legacy. Therapists who counsel rape victims do the same sort of thing. Those women remain victims for life.

"It's not all about happiness" an interesting point that modern liberal psychology wants to ignore. It doesn't actually go into the biological roots of people and examine their needs to see how they can achieve moderate happiness. It wants them to be happy all the time through external ways like drugs or borrowed self esteem while being sterile.

What I don't understand is, if existing primitive tribes where there is no monogamy and children don't know their fathers have happy children, why doesn't Western society?
Does the void actually come from comparing yourself to others, other kids who had a dad show them how to ride a bike? What is to be said of all those missed experiences?
I can agree that the father in a patriarchy does shape masculinity and femininity in his children, but that is because more discipline is needed on top of their genetic femininity and masculinity. Patriarchy is a cooperative system that has to run smoothly through generations.
Probably the darkest thought that crosses my mind is how black children without fathers seem to be more okay than white people without fathers. I don't mean this in terms of their SAT scores or criminality, but in their general confidence. They seem to be keeping it together more than white children who crumble emotionally. White people are more prone to existential anxiety, perhaps due to higher IQ.
I don't want to consider the idea that certain races are biologically hardwired to be used to certain mating schemes, due to different hormones and future/present oriented thinking, and such. It's possible, but I'm just not ready to think about that.

It think you're taking enormous liberties in comparing the environments and realities of primitive tribes with those of modern society. For instance how can you assume that women in primitive tribes are happier? Furthermore at the end of the day it's not all about happiness.