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Metal / Re: Tangerine Dream
« Last post by aquarius on March 01, 2015, 06:53:05 AM »
Regarding metal, it could perhaps be said that doom metal (of the funeral variant) makes fairly extensive use of the technique, though it's not something I can listen to all that much. Whereas an album such as Filosofem by Burzum is more akin to ambient with occassional elements of 'drone'. Even the first two SWANS albums could fit that description quite well.
Metal / Re: Tangerine Dream
« Last post by aquarius on March 01, 2015, 01:35:45 AM »
I would agree with the description of drone and ambient evoking mental landscapes more so than something which appeals to emotion. Indeed, it can be so very 'mental' that much of the appeal of what is commonly enjoyed as music is lost, and thus it moreso takes on the form of auditory illusions, sonic textural-architecture and such. Really, I don't know a lot other than that Coil's Time Machines album is pretty cool. Also Arthur Dent and Deeper than Space made an album called Drift which is quite interesting. And of course almost anything by Maeror Tri (two members of which later reformed as Troum) is good too.
Metal / Re: Tangerine Dream
« Last post by Spinal on February 28, 2015, 07:05:38 PM »
I'm sure it's possible to find information about drone music somewhere, but I tend to distrust sites like allmusic when it comes to exploring genres. What whould be good starting points for exploring this kind of music? I'm not that fond of droning black metal, atleast not the Drudkh-style bands, but I guess it would be possible to make something good out of the metal/drone combination.

I wonder if anybody else takes mental notes or whatever to call it when listening to ambient music? I mean in the sense of mapping out the structures or places this music takes you to, so that you can keep exploring the "world" the music evokes. Some might rather call it emotional reactions, but I find it much more rewarding to try to evoke mental landscapes.
Metal / Re: Tangerine Dream
« Last post by aquarius on February 28, 2015, 12:06:35 PM »
Not sure about the forum. But yes you are right about the parallel with Klaus Schulze's Irrlicht, made roughly around the same time too (to add a further parallel). The style of these albums seems to have been discovered and created by accident almost, as they bare no clear lineage to the style of more recent works in the 'drone' or 'ambient' genres.

At any rate, such genres can be hard to define, or at least are not as clearly recognisable as metal or rock sub-genres for example. The is partly because of the highly abstracted nature of the 'music', and that they are as much descriptions of techniques which could be used in any genre as they are genres in themselves.
Metal / Re: Tangerine Dream
« Last post by Spinal on February 27, 2015, 04:08:02 PM »
Oh, I completely forgot Zeit, listening to that record in the right moment/mood/place is quite the experience. I'm not familiar with drone as a genre (if it is a genre), but ambient/drone sounds like the right tag for Zeit. Totally out of this world, really. I've always thought of Klaus Schulze's Irrlicht album as a twin companion to Zeit for some reason. Might be the drone-ishness.

On another note... is this forum almost completely dead?
Metal / Re: Percussion
« Last post by aquarius on February 27, 2015, 02:27:45 PM »
Even Samoth did a good job on the first Emperor demo.
Metal / Re: Tangerine Dream
« Last post by aquarius on February 27, 2015, 02:14:11 PM »
Everything before and up to Phaedra is experimental essentially, but still quite enjoyable and rewarding on the whole. Electronic Meditation is a bit messy and doesn't really grab me. Alpha Centauri was a huge step forward, way more refined in terms of technical innovations and music structure. It's probably their most unique offering and there are some really special moments in there. Zeit on the other hand is a fantastic drone/ambient album, and thus maintains a fairly narrow spectrum of interest among potential listeners. For some reason, I could never remember Atem...

For live stuff seek out the recording in Berlin Deutschlandhalle 1973, Reims Cathedral 1974 and Soundmill Navigator live at the Philharmonics 1976. All are great, reveal many secrets and would have passed for albums in their own right had hi-fidelity portable recording equipment been as available as it is today.
Metal / Would help like-minds sell out but am flat broke unfortunately
« Last post by aquarius on February 27, 2015, 01:45:33 PM »
It's often the case, but I honesty haven't much desire to explore beyond a certain point in a band's discography, especially once they reach the point of boredom with having achieved what they set out to do (and hence the inevitable shift of gears). Still, what was good shall always be good in a way, even if only at that time and in that particular headspace within which it was encountered. There was a connection and so be it; I gain more from the memories of memories than when having to repeat an experience or be led in a direction contrary to my own. To be honest, I might never even have given any of my all-time favourites another listen after a certain point, despite knowing they where top notch or meant a lot to me etc. Basically, just move on and keep wandering the land. Completely selfish by default.
Metal / Re: Tangerine Dream
« Last post by Spinal on February 27, 2015, 01:35:46 PM »
I will indeed give the earlier material another chance or two. I remember feeling a bit lost when listening to Alpha Centauri for example, but it might just be that I was focusing too much on structure and less on, lets say, atmosphere. "Electronic meditations" felt more like  bland krautrock. I got the feeling that it was more of a spontaneus recording, but that they hadn't reach the genius-y spontaneusness (?) of Richochet.
What's your opinion of these recordings, aquarius? Sorry if I'm bothering you, but I'm on a TD high at the moment!
Metal / Re: Tangerine Dream
« Last post by aquarius on February 27, 2015, 01:10:23 PM »
I tend not to like the prog-y direction as much as I do the earlier cosmic atmospheric ambient sound. But as you say, from around Phaedra and onwards to Stratosfear is probably the zenith. Nevertheless those albums falling either side of a given high-point are still good or at least interesting. And any live bootlegs from the early to mid 70s are better still!

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