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The DLA "scene": users' own compositions

Re: ANUS users own compositions
January 25, 2011, 06:38:20 AM
The way I "compose" is almost exactly the same.

Re: ANUS users own compositions
January 25, 2011, 07:22:55 PM
Oddly enough with my training, when it comes to composing metal I do not lay out the riffs as I would if I was composing classic or folk type music.

I would agree with what Luc Lemay said when it comes to learn your theory, then forget about. This is the power of what metal is. If the backbone of each sub style of metal is following, allowing other techniques to blend to that backbone, you have  beast indeed. Every guitar technique in metal can be used, even if those techniques can be used in other genres of music, metal allows them in their full power so to spek..

Re: ANUS users own compositions
January 26, 2011, 05:53:15 AM
Oddly enough with my training, when it comes to composing metal I do not lay out the riffs as I would if I was composing classic or folk type music.

How do you arrange your riffs?

You should keep in mind the "diagram" method, and perhaps experiment around with it. It will give you a very strong birds eye view of the song, allowing a better perspective of what is and what is not logical about the arrangements. Usually it inspires more than it solidifies songs.


Re: ANUS users own compositions
January 26, 2011, 06:15:36 AM
This seems like it will be my evolution in my songwriting abilities. When I was younger I always wrote the guitar first and recorded them without drums then added drums later. What a folly this was...

Come to think of it I rarely analyze my own writing process. Simply I just do and go with what i feel, but this is too basic of an explanation .

With Pagan Fire, I centered around using the diminished chord and kept using it in various forms.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWCvz_6Q9A0



Re: ANUS users own compositions
March 12, 2011, 07:22:20 PM
Ex Nihil:

Demo of the demo complete, it's up on YouTube and available for download:

http://www.hessian.org.uk/Omnis.rar

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4DZ-c087-U - Ancient Summons (incomplete)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xN10z8lnV40 - Burning Skies (complete)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRTR8BHmpXI - Breaching the Walls of Sylph (incomplete)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tt5HF6fQCUk - Omnis (complete)

Re: ANUS users own compositions
March 13, 2011, 02:21:42 PM
Awesome! I have been eagerly awaiting this! Once my computer is fixed once again I download this and give it a better listen. I love the demo title Omnis. Non Omnis Moriar!

Re: ANUS users own compositions
March 13, 2011, 03:01:17 PM
Ex Nihil... Omnis.

;)

MLK

Re: ANUS users own compositions
March 13, 2011, 06:36:53 PM
burning skies. really not very exciting. the first 2 minutes are chaff, 2.10 until that verse riff comes back is kinda cool. the nocturnus style transition riff is nice, but it doesnt relate to what follows. 3.42 sounds like a decent enough riff but its hard to make out and its clearly under utilised.
the good parts are underused and the shite parts are overused, theres not enough journey/development.

keeping the same riff playing and changing the drum pattern is an irritating and overused cliché in post-vital period death/black metal - especially going from something rocking to a blast  (it underscores the pointlessness of the speed and the essentially rock derived nature of the content). general rule is unless something meaningful in the riff-work is changing with the drum beat dont make a pointless change to the drum beat.

its mostly too square cut to maintain interest and theres not enough of a fundamental interrelationship between the riffs.

i suggest stripping 90% of the material from this track, just taking the stuff thats awesome and making a track out of that. i suggest also going away and working with a real drummer, in order to get a more natural feel for rhythmic transitions, emphasises and shapes.

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ancient summons - nice opening riffs, better sense of journey and little less square cut but still a bit overdone. 1.05 and 1.46, there are some serious issues with the harmony being employed. the implications of key change are awkward,  not particularly pleasant and don't add anything to the journey. loses its way for all of the end section stuff.

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Breaching the walls of sylph - not a bad start. the new riff at 0.38 doesnt relate enough to what came before.  i can pick out a relationship between some of the riffs by the way you repeat verbatim one particular ending phrase in different riff contexts; this is nice but alone it does not give a sense of expanding experience - not without some more integral variations in the material its framing (nb. the riff at the end i can hear relates to the one before it, but its not great idea to begin with). theres some nice stuff in here, but theres problems still with the architecture of the song.

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Omnis - nice opening riff, reminds me of Loke by Enslaved, but then you piss all over it with that ARE YOU TALKIN TO ME?-ish counter-riff. thereafter has good and bad with similar problems and positives to the other tracks. the last two/three minutes of this are quite good. more work on the transitional material.

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some very cool riffs but there are some problems with knowing how to string them together. sometimes the changes are arbitrary, sometimes they're insufficient, sometimes they're unrelated, sometimes they just don't impart anything particularly enlightening to the experience. problems also at one or two points with the harmony, its just not functioning properly; a few problems too with rhythm/drums, but that can be fixed by working with a real drummer and just learning to loosen it up a bit. overall i'd say learn to stick with a handful of ideas and draw variations out of them rather than creating new material. real potential here though.


do some homework listening to this album: learn a couple of tracks, figure out what makes it work.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O176hufoFq8

Re: ANUS users own compositions
March 13, 2011, 07:35:30 PM
All valid criticisms - I'm still feeling my way through this style.  "Death Metal" is pretty foreign to me: everything you'll hear here is, as I've said many times before, Deicide/Morbid Angel rip-offs with Black Metal ideas thrown in because I can't stop myself.  I'd also like to point out that I am, myself, a drummer, though not particularly experienced (especially when it comes to Death Metal drumming).

I disagree completely with the idea of not changing the drums unless the riff changes - a change in rhythm can yield a completely different view of a riff (e.g. Visions from the Dark Side).  Similarly, maintaining the rhythm while changing the riff improves the flow of a song (as long as the riff fits the rhythm/tone of its section).  I think it's unwise to be held back by such absolutes as "don't change the rhythm unless you change the riff", "repeat a riff four times and then move on", or "don't change the time signature, it makes people think too much".

One final point, is that I'm not too sure about the necessity of songs to be linear, in the sense that each riff "follows on" from the last.  I always like the sense of completion achieved when what started from an abrupt change works its way back to the beginning, and then, potentially, on to something else (I am the Black Wizards).  I think this is much more a Black Metal structure style than Death Metal, but I don't see why it can't work.  I'm not aiming for "riff salad", I'm telling stories, as with all of my music.  Even so, I have to admit that I made a few whoppers trying to bring songs back to earlier riffs, especially using that "interval" riff in Burning Skies (which is a good riff, and was supposed to come back more fully in track 4, which I never got round to recording before my recording apparatus died).

Oh, and that "ARE YOU TALKING TO ME" bit in Omnis worked fine until I had to put drums to it.

Cheers for the homework, too!

MLK

Re: ANUS users own compositions
March 13, 2011, 09:35:20 PM
- Bear in mind its a general rule. dont treat it as an absolute rule but a useful guideline to set yourself, especially when you're starting to write in the style. you can ofcourse set yourself the challenge of doing it on purpose and trying to make it work (ive done this before, usually combined it with a change of picking and/or emphasis or even the slow introduction of a new voice over the top).

Visions from the Dark side gets away with it because the rhythmic changes aren't the main feature of the track; they happen at the end of the piece when its already finished the journey, not at the start of or in the middle where it'd seem more like the piece has run out of ideas.

similarly, keeping the drums the same whilst the riffs on top are essential divergent and unrelated can be a clichéd way of trying hide the fact the song is a riff-salad.

theres a balance to be struck between change and keeping something constant; and it'll always be a challenge of the arrangement process, even when you reach the next level. if you listen to Beyond Sanctorum by Therion though you'll hear a really good example of how to do it well.

-  Yeah its often that you'll find adding drums to a riff can make you think differently about where the emphases lie in it. Working through with someone playing drum parts back to you before the recording can make it easier to pick out riffs that dont actually work when you get down to the arrangement.

- i wasn't saying to make it completely linear, that doent work either. but to make even the divergent parts relate to or respond to what came before it is an essential part of how death metal works (and composing in general; see the first movement of Beethoven's Fifth Symphony for the greatest example ever). Morbid Angel do this pretty well on the first two albums, but the Therion is the most straightforward and fundamentalist example, if you like, of this sort of song development in death metal. its worth looking at From this Day Forward by Obliveon and Final Holocaust by Massacra as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68upjls4SnA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odhGQbyC_wc


- it shows that you're still getting to grips with the style but you've done pretty well in some respects. for me the really cool parts are  the riffs that enter the realm of death/black crossover - eg belial, cianide, profanatica, demoncy. the 'melodic'/morbid angely riffs are less successful because the melody isnt long enough or interesting enough, but that can be worked on.

Re: ANUS users own compositions
March 18, 2011, 08:23:54 PM
Ex Nihil:

Demo of the demo complete, it's up on YouTube and available for download:

http://www.hessian.org.uk/Omnis.rar

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4DZ-c087-U - Ancient Summons (incomplete)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xN10z8lnV40 - Burning Skies (complete)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRTR8BHmpXI - Breaching the Walls of Sylph (incomplete)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tt5HF6fQCUk - Omnis (complete)

Downloaded the rar, unpacked, Ancient Summons.mp3 is corrupt.

Re: ANUS users own compositions
October 08, 2011, 02:37:57 AM
Might as well put this here, for you fuckers to listen to: another demo of mine.

I've mentioned this band before - Hundred, "Epic Metal".  Think NWOBHM + Speed Metal + Celtic Frost/Hellhammer (OUGH).

Hundred - Riders of Ardenland Demo (25:14)

1.  March of the Grand Host (5:51)
2.  Charge Into Glory (3:31)
3.  The Battle of Kings (5:04)
4.  Will to Survive (7:05)
5.  The Riders are Coming (3:43)

Everything composed/recorded by me, we'll get this stuff done properly in a studio at some point.  Apologies for the shitty playing, lack of bass on 3-5 (the bass parts are seriously fucking good), and other fuck ups, but it's a bloody demo.

http://hessian.org.uk/Ardenland.rar

Enjoy.

Re: ANUS users own compositions
October 08, 2011, 05:58:00 AM
Might as well put this here, for you fuckers to listen to: another demo of mine.

I've mentioned this band before - Hundred, "Epic Metal".  Think NWOBHM + Speed Metal + Celtic Frost/Hellhammer (OUGH).

Hundred - Riders of Ardenland Demo (25:14)

1.  March of the Grand Host (5:51)
2.  Charge Into Glory (3:31)
3.  The Battle of Kings (5:04)
4.  Will to Survive (7:05)
5.  The Riders are Coming (3:43)

Everything composed/recorded by me, we'll get this stuff done properly in a studio at some point.  Apologies for the shitty playing, lack of bass on 3-5 (the bass parts are seriously fucking good), and other fuck ups, but it's a bloody demo.

http://hessian.org.uk/Ardenland.rar

Enjoy.

My mp3 player died and I'm not buying a new one. So put out some tapes or something, you asshole. Especially for that Baeldaeg material.

Thanks.

Re: ANUS users own compositions
October 08, 2011, 06:21:44 AM
I started composing some stuff last year under the name Hiemal. Most of the stuff is inspired by Troglodytic's 2004 promo and Sorcier des Glaces snowland.

www.myspace.com/Hiemal
http://hiemal.bandcamp.com/

Heres the newest thing I have done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHnELui_T-A

Re: ANUS users own compositions
October 08, 2011, 09:45:48 AM
Knee-grow, I've already got tapes out.  You just have to be in the right circles to get a hold of them.

Seriously, send me a snail mail address, I'll do my best to get a tape out to you.

I sometimes think I should append disclaimers to some of my posts, like this one.

Disclaimer: I've literally just got back into my flat after WATCHING THE SUNRISE FROM A CLIFF TOP and then PICKING MAGIC MUSHROOMS ON THE WAY DOWN, all within 10 minutes' drive.  I am in a fucking good mood.