Coherent Black Metal Philosophy

[Cargést]

hate

Hatred against what?

individualism

... Within the context of that which is larger than the individual, sure.

and anti religion

I don't really see this anywhere in proper "Black Metal".  If anything, Black Metal is the most religious of Metal genres.

[peristil]

so there is a lot of place for expansion and even for posers to sneak in and taint it...

Fukkin posers.

[omen_of_deth]

hate

Hatred against what?

individualism

... Within the context of that which is larger than the individual, sure.

and anti religion

I don't really see this anywhere in proper "Black Metal".  If anything, Black Metal is the most religious of Metal genres.

hate against humans, life, and everything in between...and no individualism as apart of something "larger" only came with later dogma's, as a black metal head i am a narcissist and would never admit there is something larger than me,  would join forces with any one who have the same enemies as  me but thats it, and how can you even ask about anti religion? i understand your point..but understand that satan in black metal was meant as an anti Christian dogma...in a childish way if you like, to mock them...fuck your god we worship satan, although to believe in "satan" is to believe in god and trinity and all that shit..

[Gefechtsgruppe10]

hate

Hatred against what?

individualism

... Within the context of that which is larger than the individual, sure.

and anti religion

I don't really see this anywhere in proper "Black Metal".  If anything, Black Metal is the most religious of Metal genres.

hate against humans, life, and everything in between...and no individualism as apart of something "larger" only came with later dogma's, as a black metal head i am a narcissist and would never admit there is something larger than me,  would join forces with any one who have the same enemies as  me but thats it, and how can you even ask about anti religion? i understand your point..but understand that satan in black metal was meant as an anti Christian dogma...in a childish way if you like, to mock them...fuck your god we worship satan, although to believe in "satan" is to believe in god and trinity and all that shit..

Can you site some references here?  Be specific.  The ideas you are talking about are the ideas brought in later by the very poseurs that you claim to despise.

[omen_of_deth]

hate

Hatred against what?

individualism

... Within the context of that which is larger than the individual, sure.

and anti religion

I don't really see this anywhere in proper "Black Metal".  If anything, Black Metal is the most religious of Metal genres.

hate against humans, life, and everything in between...and no individualism as apart of something "larger" only came with later dogma's, as a black metal head i am a narcissist and would never admit there is something larger than me,  would join forces with any one who have the same enemies as  me but thats it, and how can you even ask about anti religion? i understand your point..but understand that satan in black metal was meant as an anti Christian dogma...in a childish way if you like, to mock them...fuck your god we worship satan, although to believe in "satan" is to believe in god and trinity and all that shit..

Can you site some references here?  Be specific.  The ideas you are talking about are the ideas brought in later by the very poseurs that you claim to despise.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBQ7sZET_4E&feature=related
this is the only thing i found that is close to a refrence...
this is an interview with one of the gods of black metal EURONYMOUS
and about what i said about satanism, make sure to tell the difference between devils worshiping and "satansim" satanism usually refers to LaVeyan Satanism, or Symbolic Satanism
*Symbolic Satanism[13][14] is the observance and practice of Satanic philosophies, customs and rituals.[15] In this interpretation of Satanism, the Satanist does not worship Satan in the theistic sense, but is an adversary to all spiritual creeds and religions.*"wikipedia"
 the rest is what i understood from black metal, and i may as will be a poser without knowing...

[Cargést]

The original Norwegian bands, with the possible exception of Ihsahn from Emperor, despised LaVey for being "life-oriented" and hating Metal.  LaVeyanism is "Objectivism" + Satan.  It's bullshit.  If there are any Black Metal bands around that practice or follow LaVeyan Satanism, they deserve death.  The only Satanism worth respecting is a Deistic Satanism, which would probably involve recognising entropy as the most fundamental law of the Universe, using "Satan" as a metaphor for gradual degradation of matter/essence, or as a metaphor for "Chaos" in general.

Euronymous's interview there seems primarily concerned with Extremity, rather than with anti-Christianity.  They wanted the Christians to become extreme again - dark, even in their supposed "holyness" - because they saw that as the proper way for a religion to run (realistically, rather than idealistically).  The problem with Christianity wasn't Christian beliefs, it was Christians themselves, who were weak, foolish sheep.

[omen_of_deth]

i cant believe am debating if black metal is anti- religion and anti christianity , it is shown in many songs for many bands that am pretty sure any black metal listener heard before, your point would only make sense to me if you were talking about the dark religions,  and yes Lavey was hated from every one and i didnt like his so called "black bible" ...

[istaros]

You are not fucking paying attention. Black metal is, first and foremost, anti-WEAKNESS. Christianity was selected, as it was with Nietzsche, as a symbol for weakness because of what it has become in the modern era; a crutch for making broken people feel better without having to do anything to actually make themselves become better. Not because it is a religious system, or because it is irrational, or because it is cruel(lol).

[omen_of_deth]

HOLY FUCKEN SHIT!! Christianity and all other religions, are setting the humans evolution back, the mental evolution that is, all religions are based on the fact that your nothing compared to the big picture , Nietzsche was against Christianity for that reason, and any intelligent huamans, should see that, so as a black metaller that should be a given .. agree on the anti weakness ..

[istaros]

Christianity and all other religions, are setting the humans evolution back

nope

the mental evolution that is

nope

all religions are based on the fact that your nothing compared to the big picture

uhhhh BIG nope. Listen to a sermon sometime. "You" have never been MORE important.

[omen_of_deth]

 lool you sound like another dumb ass Christian fuck i saw today on you tube , am not gonna even argue with you about how stupid religion is, every intelligent being knows that.. the fact that your even discussing black metal to me is out rageous...your religion will die just like all the other religions, only CHAOS rules supreme!!

[istaros]

Name one religion that has died.

[omen_of_deth]

i dont know maybe all pagan religions? ancient egyptian gods? and greek?? old arabic religions?? there i stoo many to count..and the stupid latter ones will die too..this is way of the subject we started talking about..if you wanna talk about relgions how about you open anew thread? and if i feel like degrading my self to discussing it with you i would...

[Gefechtsgruppe10]

OoD-
you still haven't listed any proof other than that Euronymous interview that doesn't really support your point.  However, that literalist/LeVayian satanism and literal anti-Christianity has been introduced by the latecomer POSEUR bands is manifestly obvious.  So stop faking disbelief that we question your unexamined assumptions and defend yourself like a man.

Furthermore, how exactly does chaos rule?  Through a system of Constitutional Monarchy?  

And perhaps you ought to re-read Nietzsche a bit more carefully.

Edited for spelling.

[istaros]

i dont know maybe all pagan religions? ancient egyptian gods? and greek?? old arabic religions?? there i stoo many to count..and the stupid latter ones will die too..this is way of the subject we started talking about..if you wanna talk about relgions how about you open anew thread? and if i feel like degrading my self to discussing it with you i would...

None of those religions have died - their traditions and philosophies have been co-opted into a global format by Christianity, Islam, Shinto, and Buddhism. You must be a masochist, because you DO keep discussing it