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Fix this forum

Fix this forum
June 15, 2011, 11:30:54 AM
Move News, Commerce and Chasm into a single general group.

Move Classical and Metal into a Music group.

Keep Audiofile, it's the best thing on the internet.

A higher frequency of posts would make this place more self-maintaining.

Re: Fix this forum
June 15, 2011, 05:08:15 PM
Move News, Commerce and Chasm into a single general group.
I agree with annihilation on this point.  The commerce section must stay separate out of practical necessity.

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Move Classical and Metal into a Music group.
The classical section was made as an experiment, if I recall correctly.  Do you feel it has failed?  What more would you like from it?

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Keep Audiofile, it's the best thing on the internet.
What about gay, interracial, clown porn? ...

I love it (the audiofile), too.  I'll continue to help maintain it even after I've pussed out and given up on Metal and conservatism and sanity.

Re: Fix this forum
June 15, 2011, 08:32:09 PM
One possibility is that you merge the commerce section as you say, but you moderate commerce-related posts so that instead of accepting any commerce post objectively you only allow ones that are considered to jive sufficiently well with the thrust of this forum. Perhaps also you could make some sort of rule that only members with X amount of posts can create commerce-related threads. After all if in commerce something is being promoted that's of interested to the readers of this forum, it's sort of pertinent as a discussion topic beyond self-promotion.

Hmmm but commerce deals with metal, so I think it should definitely not be with the chasm, it should be with other music posts.

Perhaps you could put everything into a single forum and use thread prefixes selectable from a drop-down menu by the thread creator to indicate the thread's overall theme (to overcome the common problem of ambiguous thread titles).

What would really be neat is to have the main forum page list all threads individually, but then readers also have the option to change the view to only see threads labelled with specific prefixes. I'm not sure which forum software can accomplish this but surely it must be possible.

Anyways, I'm going to check out this 'Audiofile' forum you speak of so highly.

Re: Fix this forum
June 15, 2011, 10:58:01 PM
Please don't do these:
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Move News, Commerce and Chasm into a single general group.
Move Classical and Metal into a Music group.
Maybe unite News 'n Commerce, as they both tend to be cutting edge and up-to-the-minute.  I've found it useful to have Chasm, Classical, Metal in distinct groupings (despite occasional threads about 'Metal Is Classical but with Guitars'). 

Re: Fix this forum
June 16, 2011, 01:51:08 AM
Rather than making little tweaks to the forum like "putting News and Commerce together omgomg", how about we broaden the horizon of what the forum is for? Why not include a general Education forum for example, where we share and develop sources information solely for the purpose of educating others, whether this material be of an academic nature or otherwise. I'm sure there are other good ideas.

Re: Fix this forum
June 16, 2011, 09:37:01 PM
I agree that merging some of these categories makes sense. I come here casually, and don't really want to individually check each sub-forum.

Since I don't really contribute in any material way, I'm loathe to propose too many ideas, but I do think that certain threads contain enough interesting information that they're worth 'stickying'. A few weeks or months back, for instance, I tried to get a thread going about musical equiptment - something I'd rather learn about from ANUS readers than all of the Necrophagist fans on guitar forums. It got buried, though. There were also some good threads with 'music theory' discussion as it relates to metal, but they disappeared, too.

Re: Fix this forum
June 16, 2011, 10:02:52 PM
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they both tend to be cutting edge and up-to-the-minute

This is an excellent point. In my opinion, the sub-forums should have a quality level which matches the expected longevity of discussions.

a) Long-term/Eternal-scope: only discussion of what has been relevant for hundreds of years, and will continue to be relevant far into the future
b) Medium-term: has been relevant for many years, and will continue to be so for as long as the forum exists
c) Short-term: relevant now, but might not be a year from now
d) Zero-term: probably not recommended reading at all

The Classical forum should be extended to include a) in general - so, other artforms are acceptable (only the best of the best, and this can include those select few works of metal which we judge as having transcended), as well as topics like (real) philosophy. b) should be split into metal and non-metal/chasm as it is now, but currently these forums include too much of c) and d). News should be made into News and Current Issues, and any discussions that are only relevant at the moment are to be placed there. Commerce is mostly useless, but occasionally there is something worthwhile put in there. These threads should be stickied in the commerce forum, or else archived elsewhere.

Re: Fix this forum
June 16, 2011, 10:28:33 PM
Not bad.

a) Ideas/Eternal
b) Events/Transition
c) People/Trend/Commerce
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d) Compost/Entertainment

The biggest hurdle would be to get members consistently understanding where the content they wish to share properly fits.

Re: Fix this forum
June 16, 2011, 10:57:35 PM
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The biggest hurdle would be to get members consistently understanding where the content they wish to share properly fits.

Replica threads can be made in the lower down forums if need be. Posts which don't match up to quality criteria of the given board get reported and moved accordingly. If the members don't understand it, then they will simply have to put up with having their posts moved until they do.

Re: Fix this forum
June 17, 2011, 03:17:48 PM
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they both tend to be cutting edge and up-to-the-minute

This is an excellent point. In my opinion, the sub-forums should have a quality level which matches the expected longevity of discussions.

a) Long-term/Eternal-scope: only discussion of what has been relevant for hundreds of years, and will continue to be relevant far into the future
b) Medium-term: has been relevant for many years, and will continue to be so for as long as the forum exists
c) Short-term: relevant now, but might not be a year from now
d) Zero-term: probably not recommended reading at all

I think the point is to get fewer forums, so that they stay active more, and stuff doesn't get lost.

Your idea is good but we could always just make a forum for legendary threads

Then there's the question of topic.

Probably 60% of what goes on in this forum is totally unrelated to metal. That's why we have Chasm.

I guess we could combine all the music stuff, including news and commerce, into one big Metal forum.

1. Chasm
2. Metal
3. Audiofile


Re: Fix this forum
June 17, 2011, 03:38:50 PM
Do you really think it's a good idea to have all of the Commerce whore accounts in the same forum as serious Metal discussion? I'll have to agree with JewishPhysics here; the News section merged into the Metal forum would be fine. But keep the whoring separate, for sanity's sake.

Re: Fix this forum
June 17, 2011, 05:14:21 PM
If the members don't understand it, then they will simply have to put up with having their posts moved until they do.

I was always on board with this. The prior incarnation of the forum implemented this system for the better. But there are two challenges that will not go away:

  • Dedication and time commitment of moderators
  • Members will sometimes take thread management personally

Re: Fix this forum
June 17, 2011, 05:57:38 PM
But there are two challenges that will not go away:

  • Dedication and time commitment of moderators
  • Members will sometimes take thread management personally
Will these problems ever really go away?  Or maybe that was your point?  Anyway, I'm dead guilty of both.  It's probably good I'm restricted to a single subforum.


One idea for the commerce problem would be to have a separate commerce section from which the moderators could move legitimate / important threads into the music section.  This would be a tremendous pain in the ass and probably eat up morale, but I'm putting it out there.

Re: Fix this forum
June 17, 2011, 09:23:44 PM
If the members don't understand it, then they will simply have to put up with having their posts moved until they do.

I was always on board with this. The prior incarnation of the forum implemented this system for the better. But there are two challenges that will not go away:

  • Dedication and time commitment of moderators
  • Members will sometimes take thread management personally

You could probably automate the system somewhat, e.g. if 2 or more -trustworthy- members mark a post as low quality then it gets moved by default.

 I'd say that not taking that sort of thing personally is a good lesson to learn anyway. If members are treating discussions as some kind of personal drama, rather than as the collective search for truth, then that is a major problem that needs to be dealt with. This would set a good example on the importance of being impersonal.

Re: Fix this forum
June 18, 2011, 06:10:02 AM
Back to reality: we don't have a staff to update news. Thus, it's kind of a non-starter. Also, people inevitably blast Commerce posts wherever. It might be better to just let them all be in the same forum and let the users decide by what they reply to.

But why do you NEED to entertain news and commerce that doesn't directly pertain or appeal to the DLA? There's plenty of other forums with commerce sections and there's tons of metal news outlets out there. People won't blast a commerce post about a new Hessian.org webzine publication, there are some things they wouldn't blast, and some thing that might be controversial but still a fair amount of DLA members would support. If you don't even have the staff for news, why bother having the sub-forum? Wouldn't that recent post in news about Norwegian diplomats being educated on black metal, wouldn't it have been a nice little thread to come across in the general discussion forum (chasm / metal or wtv)? As for the band Testament getting a new band member or something, who gives a fuck there's Blabbermouth for that kind of Hollywood minutia.