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Most smart people render themselves ineffective

Most smart people render themselves ineffective
February 23, 2009, 06:12:14 PM
I embark on yet another message in my quest to tell the truth as I see it, knowing that fully half you will call me a fag. Please go ahead now, as that way you may read in comfort.

Chorus: Fag!

Much better.

I had a conversation last night that I think exemplified the dilemma for our audience here -- young, smarter than average, about 95% male and 75% caucasian, realists -- when confronted with modern society.

They know modern society is defined by its neurosis and the problems of its crowd-based control. As a result, it is insane, from any kind of design/results-oriented perspective, because each person is so busy justifying their individual life they cannot work together. We all know this is the path to third world decay -- and I am not speaking in any way of ethnicity here. Take a group of Nords and subject them to this crap for a number of generations, and you'll get dumb people who look like Nords.

Many of the smart people I know have suicided or simply dropped out of life. They find some menial job, go to shows and buy CDs, and do things to "uplift" themselves -- little rewards are surrogates for fixing the problem -- and they make it by, somehow. They deny family and obligation to ideology and obligation to better themselves because they're caught in the modern neurotic fiction: reward yourself, but don't make yourself adapt, because that way you feel less in control.

In doing so, they self-defeat. They alienate themselves from the good parts of growing up, and simultaneously kill the best parts of childhood in themselves, leaving behind man-children who are really good at buying CDs, playing video games, taking drugs, getting laid, etc. but are ineffective at fixing the problems they describe. Thus they end up getting more and more bitter as they get tired of the same problems, talk a good game, and sooner or later, end up being hipsters: people who adorn themselves with ideology and art to hide their lack of solutions.

Here's that conversation:

Me: people who are not outright dumb are generally good, but they need an outlet, and some direction, because none of us has enough time to figure all this out for ourselves. If they were to apply themselves to making ideals real, they'd feel better about life.

Other dude: People feel bad because society sucks. All we've got is to make pleasurable things for ourselves, like video games and hanging out with friends. Basically, anything that claims it has hope is a lie.


I guess I'm eternally on the side of "it's better to light a candle than curse the darkness," because cursing the darkness has to my knowledge never fixed a goddamn thing on Earth.

There's a lot of people like this at the ANUS: smarter than average, basically nice, but because they're depressed, kind of fucked up and prone to lash out.

I would like to reach out to these people and help them see a few things:

  • You're going to get old, so pick the best parts of growing up, and face them and make good of them.
  • Society sucks ass but can be fixed and it actually does not take much effort.
  • Doing things to please yourself only kills your ability to reach out to things of greater beauty in the world at large, so you end up killing your dreams and hopes in order to feel good for a few moments.
  • Pretending that you're cool by shrugging off all obligation is a path to impotent hipsterism.
  • If you feel insignificant, it's because you are. Find truth, join truth and work for truth, and you get a reward not in your ego but in your brain as a whole: what I'm doing is important and correct.
  • The illusion is that we're free of nature and have God-like control of ourselves. We aren't. We don't. We're glorified monkeys struggling to reach the next phase of evolution before we destroy ourselves.


I consider this a dose of realism, and because I have come to know many of you and see the wonderful aspects of you that sleep within you, I suggest this method of bringing them to fruition. Give up on yourself as an exclusive goal; reach out to the world, and put yourself into it.

You will feel better, be more effective, and escape the ghetto of individualism which is the hallmark of all dying societies -- whether in this modern time or not.

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Doing things to please yourself only kills your ability to reach out to things of greater beauty in the world at large, so you end up killing your dreams and hopes in order to feel good for a few moments.

What was once good in and of itself becomes only a habit to waste time or deny life.  Playing video games or smoking weed is not only harmless when you're 16...it's glorious!  Truth is, there's not much you can really do wrong in youth except for permanent mistakes. This is an experimental learning phase.  As long as you are healthy and smart, whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger.  And from this stage you will learn what makes you tick, and those dreams and hopes emerge.

The natural playfulness of ones youth can so easily be extended into a sick parody...and you know it will have reached that point by the guilt and depression you feel.  Instead of adapting, changing, learning, it's easy to blame society and smoke more pot or drink more beer.  This unfortunate stage is the opposite of youth entirely...selfish not in self-growth but in self-denial.  Not in hope but fear, and not in play but boredom.  Sure, you probably do the same things, but the essence behind the actions is entirely different.

I've wasted the last few years of my life in drink and self-denial.  But it's not because I didn't know what I needed to do, or because societies' neuroticism made it pointless to improve myself.  It was only because I was scared of attempting to be a positive agent in the world around me, because, oh no, I might fail!   At some point, you have to say fuck the consequences, and either kill yourself and stop wasting space or go on and be whatever it is you are*, regardless of 'success' or 'failure'.

*Existence for some might be merely smoking pot and drinking beer.  I would guess many are pleased by this life.  But this isn't simply a choice one can make, or a lifestyle choice to be respected.  For those who aren't pleased by an empty life filled with temporary pleasure, it's failure to choose it.  I suppose this is individualistic in a sense, to pick what is best for you, but when it is healthy, natural self-affirmation, there is a clear difference between this and our normal idea of 'individualism'.

Interesting.

For the record, I think it unwise to take any drugs or drink until you're 18, for biological reasons. People I knew who started taking drugs before age 15 experienced some pretty weird and permanent side effects.

Although you make good points, it seems to me that too many people fit the profile of "intellectual": underpaid loner, underperforming, alienated from the mainstream but without a replacement, aware of the failings of society but unable to see an alternative solution, so they hover in obscurity and complain.

I think we need re-engagement; reconnecting to life through things larger than oneself, hopefully abstract but realistic things like ideology, structured philosophy or religion, or nurturing of organic patterns. Sitting back and saying "society sucks" makes you impotent. Finding a way to engage, and start the kaizen process of improving the non-optimal is not only healthy for you but leads humanity toward a possible survival.

The gloom and doom that oppresses smart spirits is unnecessary. Things are bad; things are always bad. It takes good people to get out of themselves and re-engage with a clear idea of what they do want, as opposed to simply knowing what they do not want, to reverse this pattern.

I believe this also makes them stronger as whole people.

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I think we need re-engagement; reconnecting to life through things larger than oneself, hopefully abstract but realistic things like ideology, structured philosophy or religion, or nurturing of organic patterns. Sitting back and saying "society sucks" makes you impotent. Finding a way to engage, and start the kaizen process of improving the non-optimal is not only healthy for you but leads humanity toward a possible survival.

Is this similar or compatible with the idea of particular existence as Microcosm?  This is something which rung true to me.  Perhaps it can be hard to understand this surrounded by a failing society, but art or nature can help.

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In the Philebus (28d–30d), Plato argued that human beings and the universe are both composed of an elemental body and a rational soul, and that just as the human body derives from the universe's body, the human soul must derive from the universe's soul. The universe is, therefore, not only an orderly system but an intelligent organism as well. Plato expounded this theme at greater length in the Timaeus (29d–47e), where he explained how the structure of the human being parallels that of the universe through certain correspondences in body and soul. Just as the body of the universe is spherical, and its soul is composed of orbits along which the planets wander, so too the soul of the human being is composed of orbits along which its emotions rove, and it inhabits the head, which is spherical. The rest of the human body exists merely to serve the head.

Unlike the macrocosm, which contains all things and is immortal, and hence has no need of sensory or digestive organs or limbs for locomotion, the microcosm is only a part of the whole, and its existence is threatened by the surrounding elements, so that it needs such additional parts to perceive and avoid danger and to replenish the nutrients it loses. Furthermore, the external disturbances that threaten the microcosm cause the orbits of its soul to be disrupted, throwing its emotions into disarray. Yet when the disordered microcosm observes the heavens, it sees there the orderly motions of the planets following the orbits of the macrocosmic soul. With the aid of philosophical study, it becomes aware of the correspondence between itself and its great counterpart. Having attained this insight, the microcosm realizes that just as the universe employs reason to govern the planets, it too should employ reason to govern its emotions. In this way the microcosm overcomes its inner discord and prepares its soul for a return to the heavens from which it came.

http://science.jrank.org/pages/10209/Microcosm-Macrocosm-Plato.html

Sounds like a more succinct version of Buddhism. I think that's a related concept: the idea of the microcosm, through philosophy, learning to discipline itself and apply itself is important.

A related concept:

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"Cognitive dissonance is an uncomfortable feeling caused by holding two contradictory ideas simultaneously. The "ideas" or "cognitions" in question may include attitudes and beliefs, and also the awareness of one's behavior. The theory of cognitive dissonance proposes that people have a motivational drive to reduce dissonance by changing their attitudes, beliefs, and behaviors, or by justifying or rationalizing their attitudes, beliefs, and behaviors.[1] Cognitive dissonance theory is one of the most influential and extensively studied theories in social psychology.

Dissonance normally occurs when a person perceives a logical inconsistency among his or her cognitions. This happens when one idea implies the opposite of another. For example, a belief in animal rights could be interpreted as inconsistent with eating meat or wearing fur. Noticing the contradiction would lead to dissonance, which could be experienced as anxiety, guilt, shame, anger, embarrassment, stress, and other negative emotional states. When people's ideas are consistent with each other, they are in a state of harmony, or consonance. If cognitions are unrelated, they are categorized as irrelevant to each other and do not lead to dissonance.

A powerful cause of dissonance is when an idea conflicts with a fundamental element of the self-concept, such as "I am a good person" or "I made the right decision." The anxiety that comes with the possibility of having made a bad decision can lead to rationalization, the tendency to create additional reasons or justifications to support one's choices. A person who just spent too much money on a new car might decide that the new vehicle is much less likely to break down than his or her old car. This belief may or may not be true, but it would likely reduce dissonance and make the person feel better. Dissonance can also lead to confirmation bias, the denial of disconfirming evidence, and other ego defense mechanisms."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

People have a worldview, and a selfview.

They can adjust the selfview to compensate for the worldview.

One of the most common ways this happens in metal is "I don't care." I don't care about the world going to hell, etc. It's a path to hipsterism because the hipster is based on the idea of being cool, or untouchable by the daily mess, which requires separation. However, this separation because it is self-directed makes them neurotic; a more sensible philosophy, like nihilism, is world-directed and recognizes that "I don't care" is an excuse/justification, not a reason.

Nihilism tells us that all human judgments are crap, including the ones we use to justify dropping out of society and being freaks instead of joining society, having power and making change. All healthy people want to do the latter; all people in psychological trouble want to do the former.

Another addendum:

There's something I call The Manteen Ghetto

It's where adult men, ages 18-48, continue trying to act like children. They do this to defer the questions of life. When you realize society is fucked up, and you don't want a part of it, you have three basic choices: say nothing, become an "activist" outsider who agitates to destroy it, or join it -- and then change it from within.

Of course, we all know that "I'm Changing It From Within" is an excuse for many. I'm changing it from within -- by buying this Mercedes-Benz. But... what idea cannot be inverted by hipsters, who use it as a justification and not a reason why? There are ecofascist hipsters, too. Traditionalist hipsters. Anarchist hipsters. National Socialist hipsters. Zionist hipsters. Zoroastrian hipsters. Rastafarian hipsters... the list is infinite, because any idea can go from being an "end" (abstract, ongoing goal) to a "means" (justification for an existence of poverty and self-indulgence, hiding one's ordinary unexceptional disillusioned underachiever-ness).

In contrast to joining humanity, gaining power in society, and using that to influence people closer to truthful ideas -- a process called kaizen or incremental improvement as a method of design -- activism and shut-in-ism allow you to drop out. Over time, even if your original motivation was to change the world, you find yourself falling farther away from what anyone can relate to, and so you start using your Motherfucking Important Ideology (MII) as a justification and not a reason why. Soon you're a hipster by accident, but a hipster nonetheless.

Joining society takes some balls if you're not going to compromise your ideals, but life was never made for fence-sitters, nancypants, metrosexuals and emos. Joining society requires that you join your ideology to action that also makes itself pragmatic. You live for something outside yourself: family, friends, culture, heritage and ideology, all together at the same time. (And I don't include in this the odious hybrid of "activist businesses" like eco-coffee and vegetarian restaurants where you pay what you think you owe... the only good examples of this, like Rutamaya Coffee and Ben and Jerry's Ice Cream, put business first.)

It's easier, actually, to live for something outside yourself. That way, when you act, you're not acting selfishly, but to assert a positive order around you. Family. Community. Eugenics. Art. All of these fit those profile.

Your alternative is to be one of those people who has fallen into their own self-conception, and is now using the external world to try to create a self-identity. E.g. a hipster.

These people strand themselves in The Manteen Ghetto. They act like teens, but are grown men and women. They use art, music, ideas, etc. to justify themselves, to hide the fact that they're living lives of pleasuring themselves alone and are not contributing anything. They are the opposite of living for something outside the self, like joining society so you can have a family, a career, and power and influence to enact your ideology. They're drop-outs.

What does it mean to mature past teenage years? Back to living for more than yourself.

You start to realize you're a gradient. From the time you are born until death, you're slowly eroding. If you make it to old age, you slowly erode before you die, and then at some point, death is a release. So it goes. But you need to plan for the whole lifespan, and you start to see how acting like a teen will be stupid. So there's a 65-year-old hipster next door who's still really into punk rock... pathetic. He dropped out, and now he wants you to see how cool he is so he feels better about having nothing in life and having influenced nothing, because he has nothing. Food is wealth, wealth is power, and power is how you change ideas... changing ideas is how you make society better without you and fifteen hundred of your grubby friends grabbing rifles and rushing at the gov't troops.

You also start to realize that the best rewards are outside the self. Like making change, making a family means you're populating earth with better people. Only idiots say "don't breed" to the best and smartest nations on earth. Only idiots insist that, because they are retarded, everyone must be and so they should not spawn. If you've got a brain, find someone else with a brain, and make more beautiful, smart kids. Fuck the doubters. Like making change, contributing to your community -- gaining power, having people trust you and your wisdom, and thus having Memetic Influence -- means you're living for more than yourself.

There are many ways to start. I know that many of you will offer up that tired modern excuse I'm Busy but I'm sorry to tell you: you're full of shit. Every person I've known who was heading anywhere in life spent some time in unrecognized volunteer efforts. Even when they were in graduate school, launching careers, etc. "I'm Busy" is a coverup for your own disorganization, or your pursuit of dead-end self-stimulus, like masturbating, video games, movies, etc. You can sacrifice some of that time and you won't miss it, because you'll have replaced a closed-circuit reward with an enduring one.

Things that unite the self and the world are rare, but they are fulfilling, and make you regret death less. Family, culture and healthy activity come to mind. Working for ANUS also comes to mind: it's something you can do for a few hours per week or day, see immediate effect as healthier memes dominate over shitty ones, and gain experience you'll use your whole lifestyle.

Anything else is an excuse to remain in The Manteen Ghetto, pleasing no one but yourself, and being correspondingly empty as a result.

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The campaign to make oneself fully free of the whims of fate, of the vicissitudes of nature, and of reliance on one's community can never actually succeed (just as the Technological Program can never succeed in its campaign to fully control nature), but the semblance of success may persist for some time: the all-American upper-middle class suburbanite with a good job (plus the resumé to get another good job if something should happen), good health (plus plenty of insurance should something happen), diversified investments (just in case), and the rest. Such a person is, in a very real sense, not dependent on anybody—not on any specific person, that is. Of course he is dependent on the farmer who grows his food, but not on any particular farmer, not on any individual person. The goodwill of any individual person is unnecessary because he can always "pay someone else to do it." He thus lives in a world without obligation. He is beholden to no one.

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We let go as we discover that the only lasting, dependable security comes from controlling less not more, opening up to life, loosening the rigid boundaries of self, letting other people in, and become tied—that is more dependent, not less—to a community of people and the community of nature.

http://www.ascentofhumanity.com/chapter4-1.php

Modern society (and a slew of meek or manipulative people) have tricked you into thinking that you're an individual, completely independent and in control.

You're not. Now wake up.

The ancients put their teens through a series of rituals to break them out of the Me Me Me! mindset. We don't have these today, but you can still see hints of it in the way your parents brought you up (or should have brought you up), or simply by observing your society, or by observing an ecosystem.

Everything is connected, everything is dependent. Anything else is illusion.

I think death metal black metal has it right, but let's be careful to not simply equate power to money. What we want isn't mere purchasing power, it's influence. Money is a mere instrument. Making it to the upper-middle class (+) is a nice advantage, but you can have greater power by embedding yourself into the system by occupation and reputation, not socioeconomic class alone. In other words, get out there and build not just an identity but a network... a kingdom. Posting on a blog will not effect as many people (nor effect as deeply) as your words and actions in real life.

Get real friends. Stop pretending you're busy, especially if you're in college. Get outdoors more. Participate in music - join a group (you don't even have to be talented, you can ring a bell or hit a symbol for christ's sake). Read the classic stories and tell them to your nephews, kids, neighbor's kids, etc. Inspire heroism. Grab your immediate and extended family and don't let go. Tell them you love them and make them proud to be alive. Help them with their houses. Get rid of your boring lawn and start a garden. The little things must come first. It's simply the way of nature. These also make you less depressed and give you energy, energy you need to make change. The energy of entrainment. The energy that makes you feel alive again, feral again.

You have lost a lot. Take it back.
"It is not the language of painters but the language of nature which one should listen to, the feeling for the things themselves, for reality, is more important than the feeling for pictures." - Van Gogh

This topic needs a better title, like "Reclaim your life."

It's true though. Most of the smart people I know went to college, got irrelevant degrees, and now live in genteel poverty in the cities, busily chalking up ex-lovers and ex-jobs but never really succeeding at anything.

OF COURSE, they talk a good fucking game about how they don't want to join the system and put Obama bumperstickers on their Hondas, but inside, they're miserable. They hate their boring directionless jobs. They are increasingly tired of being single. The manchild existence of getting stoned, playing video games and listening to grindcore -or- drinking wine, listening to jazz and reading Baudrillard is getting really fucking old.

It's mega-fail.
ASBO

“Kurt Cobain was, ladies and gentlemen, a worthless shred of human debris.” - Rush Limbaugh

Trauco

Getting your act together by involving yourself in meaningful activities and becoming powerful physically and mentally will make people look up after you and you'll be able to dominate yourself and the world around you and even neutralize the so called "power" of crowds.

"Crowd power" doesn't exist. Anyone who has ever tried to convince a disordered group of +100 people to do "X" can realize that: even if that group would never believe in "X", you don't have to convince them of anything. If you have a plan and a superior will, they will follow you. Because that's what they do. Crowds follow. They are incapable of self-organizing. Their supposed unity against everything healthy and exceptional is overestimated and can be defeated easily.


Crowds follow. They are incapable of self-organizing.

Either that, or they can organize on one basis: that they're a crowd and each of them wants to be "free" of criticism or natural selection.

What a damaged-ego fest.
ASBO

“Kurt Cobain was, ladies and gentlemen, a worthless shred of human debris.” - Rush Limbaugh

Get real friends. Stop pretending you're busy, especially if you're in college. Get outdoors more. Participate in music - join a group (you don't even have to be talented, you can ring a bell or hit a symbol for christ's sake). Read the classic stories and tell them to your nephews, kids, neighbor's kids, etc. Inspire heroism. Grab your immediate and extended family and don't let go. Tell them you love them and make them proud to be alive. Help them with their houses. Get rid of your boring lawn and start a garden. The little things must come first. It's simply the way of nature. These also make you less depressed and give you energy, energy you need to make change. The energy of entrainment. The energy that makes you feel alive again, feral again.

You have lost a lot. Take it back.

Words of true wisdom.  If anyone considers themselves to be worth anything, these activities should not only be done, but be desired.  These things shouldn't seem chores but rather some of the true pleasures of life, and the satisfaction gained from the improvement one gives to the self and those around, one of life's true joys.

I think there's only about 5% of the population which realizes how completely screwed this society is.

Not simply "inconvenient to me" or "has problems" but "moribund," as in on its way to failure, and hell for anyone with any brains in the meantime.

These are the kind of people who tune in to Nietzsche, Burroughs or Slayer.

Unfortunately, they are caught in a horrible dilemma: how to have hope? They are suspended between total hopelessness, and a sense of illusory happiness that they can never fully trust.

It's tempting to chuck in the towel and say, "Everything is fucked, so I'm just going to survive marginally and take any pleasure I can find." That's basically what Satanism, Randism, etc. are. Fuck you, I'm going to get my pile, and stay away. It's what the hippies did and why those hypocrites became a generation of bankers.

I guess if I could pass on the knowledge of the last two decades, it'd be this: just like a death metal band, you have a choice. You can either decide life is too hard and chuck it all away, or realize that "the end is near" describes a long slow process that can be averted and/or survived by a bottleneck remnant who then dominate in the next cycle of history. If you get bitter, you sacrifice your best years of creativity and end up with nothing AND no power to change anything AND a legacy of even greater bitterness, resentment, and excuses made for poor performance at life. Congratulations, you've become an irresponsible disillusioned underachiever like 99% of the people in modern society. It's like joining a club with no entrance requirement.

Look at Atheist, for example. They broke up back in the early 1990s. What if they'd just stayed the course, and made another five albums, although hopefully better than the hasty and trendy Elements? Well, they'd have kept their chops up; they'd have some income from their music, since if you sell 1000 copies a month of seven albums that beats selling 500 copies a month of two. They'd have forged a path to mainstream acceptance as well. It would be an all-around victory. You can substitute Cynic, Suffocation, Pestilence, Asphyx, or just about any other metal band that got bitter and quit and reunited in the past two years.

Now, there are probably other circumstances -- but do they matter? All that matters in life is the end result. There will always be bad stuff. Life is always going to be precarious. And idiots will always ruin everything they touch. Societies come and go, and civilizations die. But if people keep on making art, technology, culture, learning, wealth and warfare, there's a future. But that only happens if they don't give up.

And it starts with you -- the kid reading this -- not giving up.

Trauco

So, we are stuck with basically two alternatives:

a) The world is going to hell, we are all going to die and I will do nothing but sit on the floor, jerking off to pictures of my own ass.

b) The world is going to hell, we are all going to die, but I will live according to my true nature and my values and I will create something of use.

i'll take 'b'. What's your choice?

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The world is going to hell, we are all going to die, but I will live according to my true nature and my values and I will create something of use.

Ah, heroism.

That hopeful spirit that wishes to conquer.

One of the only redeeming qualities of mankind.

Hold your swords firm and your shields high my siblings -- this is war.
"It is not the language of painters but the language of nature which one should listen to, the feeling for the things themselves, for reality, is more important than the feeling for pictures." - Van Gogh

A), definitely. Nothing beats a good 'ole orgasm