Burzum - Belus (March 2010)

[istaros]

In what way is it relevant to Belus?

[Umbrage]

Hehehe, I was just trolling with my comment about Varg and fluoride. I do think it's silly that he claims Russians are ok and Americans are bad. Russians are just as expansionist/imperialist as Americans are, they're just less successful. And how is not offering translated lyrics to his English speaking fans going to hurt American imperialism? He's really just being an ignorant dick about Americans there and his method to "fight globalization" seems incredibly childish and even racist. Of course nobody is going to cry racism because in today's society it's perfectly fine to discriminate against white people. Varg probably scored another few points with the American hipster crowd who only hate themselves and love irony anyway. Meanwhile his more intelligent fans are abhorred by some of the blind stupidity. I mean... the interview is with metal-rules; a site basically run by stupid Americans... But yeah no English lyrics because his American fans all support globalization. What a colossal fuck up.

The rest of the interview seems ok though.

In what way is it relevant to Belus?

Because it explains why there's no English translation for the lyrics to Belus. And since we're discussing every detail including what color underwear the man was wearing while recording Belus I'd say that it's relevant.

[HessianObscura]

Terrorizer #194 - Burzum interview

[Cargést]

Thanks for that.  An interesting read.

[Dylar]

Hehehe, I was just trolling with my comment about Varg and fluoride. I do think it's silly that he claims Russians are ok and Americans are bad. Russians are just as expansionist/imperialist as Americans are, they're just less successful.

This isn't actually true.  With the exception of the early postwar years under Stalin, Russian "imperial" ambitions have largely been defensive in nature.  Extending Russian hegemony beyond the borders of Russia proper has typically been about establishing a defensive buffer, not surprising when one considers Russian history.  It is a country that has suffered a major foreign invasion at least once a century for most of the last 1000+ years.  They're in a very vulnerable geographic location, and they know it.  In this context, it's worth noting that Russia has only ever sought political control (and often only political influence), while American imperialism has frequently involved attempts to remake cultures in the image of itself.

And how is not offering translated lyrics to his English speaking fans going to hurt American imperialism? He's really just being an ignorant dick about Americans there and his method to "fight globalization" seems incredibly childish and even racist. Of course nobody is going to cry racism because in today's society it's perfectly fine to discriminate against white people. Varg probably scored another few points with the American hipster crowd who only hate themselves and love irony anyway. Meanwhile his more intelligent fans are abhorred by some of the blind stupidity. I mean... the interview is with metal-rules; a site basically run by stupid Americans... But yeah no English lyrics because his American fans all support globalization. What a colossal fuck up.

Aren't you being a little melodramatic here?  How do you get any of this from Varg's distaste for American cultural imperialism and his decision not to abet it in the small corner of the world under his control?

[sighisora]

"There are two old tracks on 'Belus'; 'Belus' Dod' is the original metal version of 'Daudi Baldrs', and 'Sverddans' is the original Urak-Hai track, from 1988-1989, only with new lyrics.  The other tracks on 'Belus' are made up from the material I have made between 1993 and 2009, and I made the intro in 2010.  It's one big mess really."

Quoted from that Terrorizer interview.

Some already know about this, but for those who don't, a burzum timeline of the recording of every burzum track from the old burzum.com site
http://web.archive.org/web/19991104191946/www.burzum.com/time.htm

[Humanicide]

Terrorizer #194 - Burzum interview

Really cool interview. Thanks for the link.

[NHA]

So in what way does the United States NOT act like an imperial power?

Empires are great.


Dysfunctional ones not so much haha.

[Arctic Sun]

Here's a recent Burzum interview courtesy of www.stereogum.com:

STEREOGUM: What’s the noise in “Lukans Renkespill (Introduksjon)”? I’ve read 
your explanation of the album art, etc., and that you see this as a
 concept album. If all the songs are connected to the story of Belus, the source of the sound in this introduction is important. 
It’s the first recorded musical sound people have from you in 11 
years.

VARG VIKERNES: It’s the sound of a hammer striking an anvil. Leuke is best known as Hephaistos, Loki or Vulcan; the smith of the gods.

STEREOGUM: Belus is very catchy. More so than anything you’ve done
 previously. There are a number of subtle hooks. For instance, what’s the 
whistle-like sound amid the guitars of “Glemselens Elv”? The 
repeated spoken/chanted phrase in “Kaimadalthas Nedstigning”? I wouldn’t say this is a “pop” 
album, but for all the brutality, there’s something highly listenable 
in its layers. Was this your intention?

VARG VIKERNES: You know, Brandon, I make music I like. If it’s “this” or “that,” if it fits a specific category or not, or whatever, does not matter to me. I only want to make music I like, and that I can enjoy myself, and be proud of.

I haven’t heard a whistle-like sound on “Glemselens Elv” myself, but I guess it’s either the humming voice in the background of the vocal parts, or actually the guitars you are hearing.

The repeated phrase in “Kaimadalthas Nedstigning” is – translated – “I travel to the deep of darkness, where everything is dead,” and then “I travel to Kelio (Hel).”

STEREOGUM: There’s a change in the vocal sound on Belus … Is this a result of aging? A reaction to the reception of your past work?

VARG VIKERNES: I never liked the old vocals, so I changed it for Filosofem, and I changed it again for Belus. If I knew how to I would sing like I did on Belus on all the albums. I actually could have, but I didn’t know how to until Belus.

STEREOGUM: After the synthesized albums, what was it like working
 with a guitar again?

VARG VIKERNES: It was great. I am first and foremost a guitarist after all. I have to say, though, that I made Dauði Baldrs on the guitars as well, and I never really stopped playing the guitars.

STEREOGUM: On the record, did you try applying 
the Belus myth to your life personally? A reference to your freedom? 
To contemporary Norwegian culture? Culture in general?

VARG VIKERNES: I understand how you want to read more into this, but I think you should try to appreciate the album for what it is instead. Belus is about the death and rebirth of a European solar deity. The song titles refer to the mythological events, the lyrics to the pre-mythological traditions.

STEREOGUM: You’ve said you’re not interested in the contemporary
 Norwegian black metal scene (outside of Darkthrone). Or black metal 
in general: “Black metal is not a label I use for my music any
longer.” Why not? What should it be labeled instead?

VARG VIKERNES: My main problem with Norwegian Black Metal is that almost all the bands from 1992-1993 are made up of rats, who ratted each other out and blamed me for everything that went wrong in the scene. I really don’t want to be associated with them in any way. I should stress that neither the guys in Darkthrone nor the guys in Mayhem ratted anybody out, but pretty much everyone else did. Emperor. Enslaved. Immortal. Hades Almighty et cetera. These guys are fucking rats, or they play in bands with rats – which is not much better!

Further, I really don’t want to be associated with the low-brow Black Metal genre. If you want to know what I mean when I say that just have a look at an Immortal video on YouTube or something. It’s so dumb I don’t know what to say, really, and it’s so ridicules we can barely tell the difference between the real stuff and the parodies.

STEREOGUM: What are you listening to at this point?

VARG VIKERNES: The Cure, Depeche Mode, Das Ich (Die Propheten), Goethes Erben, New Order, Tchaikovsky (Swan Lake and The Nutcracker in particular) and other classical music, balalaika, old German and Soviet marches, Lillebjørn Nilsen, Dead Can Dance (Within The Realm Of A Dying Sun). Yeah, that’s pretty much it.

STEREOGUM: You wrote that you didn’t expect the original Belus title “The White 
God” to cause such a ruckus. I’m surprised.  It was 
a smart move to change it — allowing people to focus more on the music,
 etc. — but I assume you must have at least had an inkling that people
 would think it was a race-based “white.” No? Do you see your books 
and other writings as being separate from Burzum?

VARG VIKERNES: The original working title was Baldurs Tlbakekomst (The Return of Baldur), by the way, and Den Hvite Guden (The White God) too was just a working title. I have said and written a lot of things much worse than that over the years, so to speak, and nobody said anything about it, so I was surprised when all of a sudden an innocent working title like that caused such a ruckus. Why? Why now?

My books have nothing to do with Burzum.

STEREOGUM: I know you’re not a fan of [the book] Lords Of Chaos. Are you happy with how [the documentary] Until The Light Takes Us turned out? Related to this: Has anyone from
 the Lords Of Chaos film contacted you?

VARG VIKERNES: Sorry, but I haven’t seen Until The Light Takes Us yet, so I can say very little about it. I have never heard from anyone from the Lords Of Chaos film production. I tried to contact them myself twice, to ask them what they were doing and to tell them I disapprove of what they did, but they never responded.

STEREOGUM: A lot’s happened in black metal over the past couple of decades,
 especially in the last handful of years. It’s fascinating to me — 
all the hybrids and shifts. American black metal, for instance, has a
 higher/more respectable profile. And has developed a more unique 
sound. A ways back I interviewed one of the bigger of the American bands Wolves In The Throne Room — a good group, and one clearly influenced on a sonic level 
by Burzum. I asked them: “In our last interview you talked about listening to Filosofem while working the fields. No black metal musicians have really spoken
up much about Varg’s release from prison. What are your thoughts?” Their drummer Aaron Weaver’s response:

    My feeling is that people are interested in an idealized image
of Burzum, which is only tenuously connected to the man. Burzum’s 
post-Filosofem recorded output reveals a man of limited musical
ability, and his mystical-Nazi writing seem paranoid and off-base. It 
seems like he is just another wingnut spouting off about Jewish
 conspiracies. People who create powerful and revolutionary art in
 their teens and early twenties rarely sustain any relevance.

..

What are your thoughts on this sort of opinion? Especially that last sentence.

VARG VIKERNES: I couldn’t care less about what they do or say. I haven’t even heard about them before, and I wouldn’t have heard about them either if they hadn’t said things like that about me. What do they know anyway? Belus is better and more relevant than anything I have ever done before, and that just proves how little they know — and I am sure he will regret ever having said such a thing when he realizes this.

STEREOGUM: How do you feel about having gay fans? Black fans? Jewish fans? 
Christian fans? Do you feel that you’ve failed to transmit your 
message properly if people who aren’t from your 
white/Nordic/heterosexual/pagan demographic feel something in the
 music that isn’t tied to shared membership in that demographic? Does it mean the music has failed to transmit its message
 properly?

VARG VIKERNES: And what is my message? When did Burzum ever address political/racial matters? I don’t think Burzum has ever even addressed religious matters, other than describing different European myths. Burzum is not a political or religious band, or even an anti-religious band. Burzum is music; art if you like, and the interpretation of art lies in the eye of the beholder. I might be Nordic, heterosexual and have a Pagan ideology myself, but why would I expect the fans of my music to be just like me?

I am a narrow-minded ultra-conservative anti-religious misanthropic and arrogant bigot, alright, and I have a problem with just about everything and everyone in this world, but I am not demented, and if those who are not like me are able to enjoy my music that is all fine by me. Be a Christian-born black gay feminist converted to Judaism for all I care, or worse; a Muslim. Just stay off my lawn… :-)

Oh, and I may add that I have a problem with most Nordic heterosexuals with a Pagan ideology as well.

http://stereogum.com/295222/haunting-the-chapel-no-8/franchises/haunting-the-chapel/

[En Vind Av Sorg]

the intro to this interview is suspect... as is the interview itself. it seems Varg has lost his way. hopefully he will find it again; he is an amazing musician.

[tumours for TV stars]

Stereogum has more than a whiff of hipster about it to me.

Interesting how Vikernes is now claiming that Den Hvite Guden (The White God) was only ever a "working title". One of the most absurd statements he's made of late. 

[Sammaellofi]

I wasn't aware that all those bands had members that ratted him out, or at least I never put it together in that way before.


Anyway, his attitude appears to have become professional.  I don't like Belus, but it's better than most metal fails, sort of.  If he is going to limit himself to being just another band for now on, I hope such a focus improves his music output.

And turn off the fucking Depeche Mode.

[Hrafn]

the intro to this interview is suspect... as is the interview itself. it seems Varg has lost his way. hopefully he will find it again; he is an amazing musician.

If by "lost his way" you mean "grew up", then yes. His recent interviews are far more sensible than the ones of the past. He clearly has matured a great deal.

Interesting how Vikernes is now claiming that Den Hvite Guden (The White God) was only ever a "working title". One of the most absurd statements he's made of late. 

How so?

[rafael]

funny how every1 hates on this goy with Belus being a sellout (even though it shits all over daudi balldrez) and now sum 6 yrs later people finally starting to realise its actualy not half bad