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Nazis and Nationalism

Re: Nazis and Nationalism
April 12, 2010, 09:24:06 PM
I really have trouble understanding how someone who listens to death metal and black metal can be horrified by neo-nazis.



why in the hell would any one be afraid of punk ass nazis ?

Re: Nazis and Nationalism
April 13, 2010, 02:21:44 AM
I'm glad most of you consider a race or culture's significance to be knowledge, intellect, and technology. Who is to say the pygmy tribe has less value than corporate America?

I would wager that living in the wilderness, hunting, and loving has a bit more meaning than the Society of Spectacle, a sick collection of mass-media symbols and superficiality. I'd take the pygmy over the democratic teenager, who stares blankly into his television or Facebook like a festering robot, as the constant radiation melts his brain into cottage cheese.

But, the 'ubermensch,' you all exclaim! There are the few who still maintain the IQ of pan-Europeans who can enjoy both the primitive meaning of Pagan nature, and the wealth of philosophical knowledge!

Then why should the ubermensch be white? If an African is taken from his/her tribe and taught Elite philosophy, doesn't he retain more meaning than the white Elite who have been grinded twenty years by the saws of Democracy?

Ps: Neo-Nazi's are a laughing stock. Every Neo-Nazi I've met has little or no understanding of anything intellectual, or National Socialism. They are without meaning. But, what am I to expect from a 'group' (let's underline group) that all shave their heads and wear combat boots, as if this fashion statement makes them superior!

Re: Nazis and Nationalism
April 13, 2010, 08:45:53 AM
The best Whites are better than the best Others, primarily because circumstance has allowed us to destroy Others.

Re: Nazis and Nationalism
April 13, 2010, 09:25:17 AM
The best Whites are better than the best Others, primarily because circumstance has allowed us to destroy Others.

Except Jewish who are a funny mixture...

...until the time the white man reclaims his place of course and destroy Others.


Re: Nazis and Nationalism
April 13, 2010, 10:06:10 AM
The best Whites are better than the best Others, primarily because circumstance has allowed us to destroy Others.
And what do you attribute to the Japanese who are raping us in every intellectual department?

Edit: My point is, different races in different era's have dominated each-other whether physically or mentally. If we are in a forest with four fauna, would you 'destroy' camphor because it does not produce syrup like the maple, and then the next plant, and next..? What a boring forest it would become.

Re: Nazis and Nationalism
April 14, 2010, 02:15:09 AM
...until the time the white man reclaims his place of course and destroy Others.

I fucking love that film.

And what do you attribute to the Japanese who are raping us in every intellectual department?

This in no way denies my point.  The best Whites are better than the best Others.  Most Whites, like most Others, are terrible.

Edit: My point is, different races in different era's have dominated each-other whether physically or mentally. If we are in a forest with four fauna, would you 'destroy' camphor because it does not produce syrup like the maple, and then the next plant, and next..? What a boring forest it would become.

People seriously need to learn the difference between decent allegory and making comparisons which don't actually make sense.

Camphor can be useful in a manner in which other plants can't be, given that it's both edible and medicinal.  Also, I think it's supposed to stop iron from rusting.  Generally, all plants have their uses, so you'd never get rid of an entire species, even if the role it plays is totally pointless, from your own perspective - t could be useful later on down the line.

I can't think of a time when a non-White race has dominated Whites to a large extent, unless you count the Romans as being non-White.  Well, maybe this current day and age, when we're forced to kowtow to negroes etc.

Re: Nazis and Nationalism
April 14, 2010, 05:42:33 AM
You don't know history very well then for instance after the Crusades when muslims spread further into Europe, crushing Constantinople with it's "yellow people" and still ruling that area to this day.  They also took all of southern Europe at one time or another throughout the Dark/Middle ages, including Spain, Italy and Greece.  Those countries were made mostly of white people until this.  Now people from those countries are rather dark and seem more Middles Eastern than white.

HItler tried to prove what you did in the Olympics, but didn't quite cut it.  There is no need to prove that whites are better (they sure as Hell are not right now).   What is far more important is showing that in isolation the white race created far more brilliant art and far more innovating science than the multi-cultured tip-toeing garbage population that exists now.   

Re: Nazis and Nationalism
April 14, 2010, 08:15:10 AM
You're still missing the point, which is not "Whites are better", but "the best Whites are better".

You are right about the Moors - I rarely think of Southern Europeans as being "White" in the same sense as Germanics are "White", but that is, primarily, because of the Moorish invasions, anyway.  My mistake.

Southern Europe got owned, and the price they had to pay was to have their women stolen by the conquerers.  Sounds fair, to me.

Re: Nazis and Nationalism
April 14, 2010, 09:23:26 AM
But in what way are the best whites better?   Hitler could not prove they were stronger and faster in the Olympics, so in what way do you mean?

Re: Nazis and Nationalism
April 14, 2010, 09:24:46 AM
You're still missing the point, which is not "Whites are better", but "the best Whites are better".

No, you are missing the point. Stronger cultures have their bests to be the bests in specific moments of History. So were the moors, their bests were the best. It is questionable if whites are the bests of the best right now, given that the Jewish has probably demonstrated to be the best of the bests or at least as best as the best of Whites, specially given their smaller population.

Re: Nazis and Nationalism
April 14, 2010, 09:39:55 AM
Yes. This is all a pile of crap.

Let's compare leading 'literates' during the Middle Ages (and yes, unfortunately, we have a Wikipedia at our disposal):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_al-Nafis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Aquinas

It seems to me that the leading Arab rapes the leading White European.

Re: Nazis and Nationalism
April 14, 2010, 03:34:28 PM
But, we win when nationalism is about Us.

Let's get back to this.  Not to avoid conflict because conflict is bad of course, but let's face it, nationalism is not about domination and superiority.  It's about securing the destiny of your own people, your own heritage, precisely because they are your own.  Let us never stop there though, because then we fall prey to supporting the trash in our respective peoples as well.  If you love something (your race, humanity, your children), why would you tolerate it's failures?

When the European men of the 19th and 20th century looked back on history and saw themselves as superior, this was not racism.  This was a value judgment, an affirmation of their works.  Indeed, they were at the top of the world at the time, conquerors, so the fact that the idea of Nordic superiority was prevalent shouldn't surprise anyone, and shouldn't be regarded as abhorrent.

Have we fallen since?  All civilizations cycle in birth, growth, decay, and death, and let us never forget that, that health and success are recognizable in many civilizations throughout history.  Some cultures will have different definitions, but why on earth would we try to evaluate ourselves by their standards?  If we affirm the music of Beethoven and Wagner, why would we evaluate it on how many sweet hooks it has, or catchy choruses?  Stay strong in service to the values which you have committed yourself to, and never apologize for them.

There has been a wealth of strong Culture throughout history, great feats and heroes in many civilizations, contemplative esoteric traditions in East and West.  Nationalism and the idea of culture were essentially adaptations, ways of doing things that worked in certain areas and were formed by a certain history.  This is a living Gestalt, culture, which should not be taken lightly, and whether one follows Bushido, or renounces themselves in chivalric orders, one is reaching for the same thing.  However, the differences between the two are not to be taken lightly, precisely because these evolved organically in separate ways, for separate peoples, created by separate natures.  In this lies some of the greatest legitimacy and reason for nationalism of any kind.

I definitely think modernism has left almost the whole world in a daze.  Eradicating this is a good deal more important than whether Europeans are superior as a people.  If you wish to do your race a service, work for it to be better than what it is.  Praise what is healthy and vibrant, push that which is falling, but do have an eye towards that which has potential to blossom unparalleled with some work.

Re: Nazis and Nationalism
April 14, 2010, 05:17:28 PM
Hell, I could pull out the Myth of the Creation of the Races of Man, but my impression is that the people here are generally far more skeptical than I am, so I won't delve into religion to find the answer.

I had originally written a huge thing detailing some of the different possible definitions of "best" when applied to people or peoples, but it was too chunky, too cumbersome, and too convoluted.  I'm going to back out of this one with a smug expression on my face while laughing at Muslims for having allowed themselves to become so degraded in more recent times.

Re: Nazis and Nationalism
April 15, 2010, 01:48:13 PM
Hell, I could pull out the Myth of the Creation of the Races of Man, but my impression is that the people here are generally far more skeptical than I am, so I won't delve into religion to find the answer.

I had originally written a huge thing detailing some of the different possible definitions of "best" when applied to people or peoples, but it was too chunky, too cumbersome, and too convoluted.  I'm going to back out of this one with a smug expression on my face while laughing at Muslims for having allowed themselves to become so degraded in more recent times.
lol religion is never the answer, unless you're looking to prove something that is blatantly false.

Re: Nazis and Nationalism
April 15, 2010, 05:35:15 PM
In the entire experience of humankind, since the birth of its understanding, there have been few people who have not been struck by the sheer awesomeness of the existence surrounding them.  If I take Reality as my God, Nature as my Goddess, and the Sublime as my goal, what I can find is infinitely more truthful than anything that can be measured.

tl;dr: I think I've transcended the naďvety of Atheism in favour of some kind of unfocused Panentheism, which ultimately leads me to be able to fully enjoy the benefits of Negative Capability.