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Third world USA

Re: Third world USA
April 12, 2010, 10:50:23 AM
I agree: the root of the problem is a society based upon the wants of individuals, not what is sensible for us as a whole.

Libertarianism rings false because it assumes free markets will take care of everything, when the big argument against that is that free markets reflect the desires of consumers. And if we go vapid? Then it's Big Macs and Coca-Cola until the end.

Then again, socialist command economies reward idiots for participating while not inspiring others to struggle forward, so having a free market is essential... but maybe it's like a tree: you let it go, and cut back where it's growing in bad directions.

I'd support a mass shutdown of all porn shops, fast food, nail salons, tanning salons, tattoo parlors, strip bars, 99-cent stores, bars, paraphrenalia shops, and cell phone stores. These concentrate idiots. We need to gently suggest to idiots that life is better in Africa and the Middle East.

Re: Third world USA
April 21, 2010, 02:34:20 PM
I agree: the root of the problem is a society based upon the wants of individuals, not what is sensible for us as a whole.

Yep. USA took a hard left turn once the civil rights (where's civic duty in exchange?) 60s generation semi-grew up and snivled themselves into power. The results are out now.

One of the key signs that we are in the early stages of an economic collapse and that we are heading towards another Great Depression is America's crumbling infrastructure.  The truth is that our infrastructure is literally falling apart all around us.  Thousands of bridges are structurally deficient and there have already been some very high profile collapses.  Over 30 percent of the highways and roads in the United States are in very poor shape.  Aging sewer systems are leaking raw sewage all over the place.  The power grid is straining to keep up with the ever-increasing thirst of the American people for electricity.  There have already been some regional blackouts, and unless something is done quickly things promise to get even worse.  The truth is that a nation's infrastructure says a lot about who they are.  So what does America's infrastructure say about us?  It says that we are a rusting, crumbling, decaying leftover from a better, more prosperous time.


Re: Third world USA
April 21, 2010, 03:18:56 PM
Solution: let everything go to shit, duke it out in true free-for-all mode, the winners are the winners.

Re: Third world USA
April 21, 2010, 09:05:41 PM
We never had to face such a solution, but mass ignorance and general apathy are forcing it. A few pockets of the fittest, who are able to cooperate and fortify locally without overextending themselves, will not only be able to ride it out, but they'll also write the rules for the future. Where is everyone on the political compass?

Re: Third world USA
April 22, 2010, 01:54:51 AM

I'm about here, though I go for pretty long walks every day.  What about you?

Re: Third world USA
April 26, 2010, 06:44:00 PM
Whether energy and fresh water for industry and public consumption remains plentiful or no, there remains a third major error with progressive globalism:

An Age of Instability

Unfortunately, due to rapid growth in global interconnectivity, black swans like this (or worse) are going to occur more often and with greater amplitude.  Why?  With each new connection, the potential that a black swan (technological, natural, political, economic, financial, etc.) will have far reaching effects, increases.  For more insight into this, read the new study by Buldyrev, et. al. entitled, "Catastrophic Cascade of Failures in Interdependent Networks".  It demonstrates that within interdependent networks, an increase in average connectivity makes a cascading failure more likely.

So, what can we do to prevent instability?  The solution isn't to formulate vague contingency plans or return to passive optimism.  Obviously, that won't work.  No, the solution is to improve our resilience to these systemic shocks through a social and economic transition that follows this simple formula:

  • Localize production.
  • Virtualize everything else.


Re: Third world USA
April 30, 2010, 05:54:24 AM
Below is an illustrative and recent example of what appears to be the general libertarian mindset in setting us all free and paving our streets with gold:

"OMG Oil in the Water"

Notice that all the concerns about the spill from the former platform in the Gulf of Mexico is not for 11 men dead and 11 families ravaged, nor for a great economic loss and less petroleum for people, but over a possible dead fish or bird, or the water god offended. Oil is natural, organic, and biodegradable—if I may use greenspeak—and it will all go away. BP will clean up what does not. The Coast Guard-media hysteria is designed to advance the anti-human, eco-agenda. My view: Oil, oil, give us more oil.

-Lew Rockwell


Great plan.  In their pursuit of humans covering every square inch of the planet shoulder to shoulder, we'll just have to make note of which areas are toxic and grin in realizing that some day mother nature will reclaim it so we can proceed to spoil it again.  In the meantime the free market will stand together and refuse to buy this company's oil, because according to this brand of Libertarians that's how the economy operates.

Energy and the production it enables are a must to be sure, but let's be realistic about Lew Rockwell and Co.'s attitude and the conditions a full dosage of it will most likely lead to: even more junk we don't need that happens to produce a profit, and a shoddy take on the environmental havoc it prompts.

*I should mention that this is in response to previous qualms over the libertarianism take on the environment.  That their views are gaining steam is bittersweet.

Re: Third world USA
April 30, 2010, 02:10:43 PM

I'm about here, though I go for pretty long walks every day.  What about you?

Same. Collective local. Individual is pre-20th century. Though I envisage collective global for Earth in the distant future, we're not ready yet. Maybe a few thousand years down the track, and if things go well. Having several worlds each with their own unique local culture, Asimov Foundation-style would be a utopian paradise.

Re: Third world USA
April 30, 2010, 06:19:47 PM
That's an interesting thought about Asimov's Foundation, the diversity of worlds, and Trantor as a relatively tiny federal government type planet keeping things together. It can, is being, and has been done on a much smaller scale.

To be honest, in practice, I live as most of us in reality do, the individual localized life. But, I can see the benefits in having a surrounding caste and cultural framework so that we are less like flotsam in a sea of commerce.

Re: Third world USA
March 09, 2012, 09:02:33 PM
In Why America Failed, noted historian and cultural critic Morris Berman’s brilliant, raw and unflinchingly accurate postmortem of America, he concludes that this hustling model, literally woven into the American DNA, doomed the country from the start, and led us inevitably to this dysfunctional point. It is not just the American Dream that has failed, but America itself, because the dream was a mistake in the first place. We are at our core a nation of hustlers; not recently, not sometimes, but always. Conventional wisdom has it that America was predicated on the republican desire to break free from monarchical tyranny, and that was certainly a factor in the War of Independence; but in practical terms, it came down to a drive for "more" -- for individual accumulation of wealth.


Well what else are a population of socially forced equals expected to do? The naturally exceptional are forced to find corrupt ways out and protections from getting dragged back down again.


Re: Third world USA
March 10, 2012, 04:44:17 AM
Fuck fiddling; time to sell commemorative dinner plates of the downfall.. But wait! theres more...

Re: Third world USA
March 14, 2012, 07:11:49 PM
Still more record setting results-of-liberalism news amidst the stillbirth of Collapsistan:

Presented with little comment except to remind all those newly refreshed consumers that for every penny rise in pump prices, more than $1bn is added to the hoousehold spending bill (assuming driving habits are unaffected - which brings its own set of unintended consequential events). And in the past month alone, gas prices have increased by precisely 30 cents.

For this week of the year, we have never seen higher prices of Gasoline...


Increased immigration and endless global wars against foreign oppressors is decidedly liberal, but is it in your best interests?

Re: Third world USA
March 23, 2012, 07:59:07 PM
Third World happens a person, home, street, block, district, city, state and country at a time.

The Lower Ninth has become a dumping ground for unwanted dogs and cats. People from all over the city take the Claiborne Avenue Bridge over the Industrial Canal, bounce along the fractured streets until they reach a suitably empty area and then toss the animals out of the car. But it’s not just pets. The neighborhood has become a dumping ground for many kinds of unwanted things. Contractors, rather than drive to the city dump in New Orleans East, sweep trailers full of construction debris onto the street. Auto shops, rather than pay the tire-disposal fee ($2 a tire), dump tires by the dozen. The tire problem has become so desperate that the city is debating changes to the law. (One humble suggestion: a $2 reward per tire.) You also see burned piles of household garbage, cotton-candy-pink tufts of insulation foam, turquoise PVC pipes, sodden couches tumescing like sea sponges and abandoned cars. Sometimes the cars contain bodies. In August, the police discovered an incinerated corpse in a white Dodge Charger that was left in the middle of an abandoned lot near the intersection of Choctaw and Law, two blocks from where Mary Brock was walking Pee Wee. Nobody knew how long the car had been there; it was concealed from the closest house, half a block away, by 12-foot-high grass. That entire stretch of Choctaw Street, for that matter, was no longer visible. It had been devoured by forest. Every housing plot on both sides of the street for two blocks, between Rocheblave and Law, was abandoned. Through the weeds, you could just make out a cross marking the spot where Brock’s neighbor had drowned.


Re: Third world USA
March 24, 2012, 10:56:51 AM
It's hard to get a measurement on this, but the whole West is slowly declining into third world state.

Genetically, it is declining from within, just in time to be mixed with the newcomers and make people who for all practical purposes resemble the Indians of the new world.

It has lost any sense of shared values, and through liberal class warfare, has become a pissing match between bitter people who don't care about the consequences of their actions on others or the whole.

Re: Third world USA
March 24, 2012, 12:03:36 PM
Waiting for free bird seed from the gov't

Nearly half of all U.S. children and 90 percent of black youngsters will be on food stamps at some point during childhood, and fallout from the current recession could push those numbers even higher, researchers say.

The estimate comes from an analysis of 30 years of national data, and it bolsters other recent evidence on the pervasiveness of youngsters at economic risk. It suggests that almost everyone knows a family who has received food stamps, or will in the future, said lead author Mark Rank, a sociologist at Washington University in St. Louis.

"Your neighbor may be using some of these programs but it's not the kind of thing people want to talk about," Rank said.

The analysis was released Monday in the November issue of Archives of Pediatrics and Adolescent Medicine. The authors say it's a medical issue pediatricians need to be aware of because children on food stamps are at risk for malnutrition and other ills linked with poverty.


This must be the inevitible modern progress we were promised. It wasn't this bad in America 250 years ago.

This is highly relative. If you were Anglo-American, 250 years ago you and your wife would bury two of your five children, and your wife herself had a 1/100 chance to die each time she gave birth. These rates were worse in other populations even from Europe. People were also a foot shorter as adults and on average were very malnourished compared to today. This study essentially says 90% of black kids at some point depend on white society for food at some point correct? 100% of black youngsters ultimately depended on white people for their meals for most of the country's history. And this ignores the whole sale slaughter of native Americans. Call me a humanist all you want, but I cannot simply revere the past of some Americans and ignore the problems of others. White people should be smart enough to devise a society not reliant on oppression and victimization of others.

I am increasingly not convinced simple returns to poorly understood notions of what the past was like will solve all our problems. There are elements of the past we should clearly try and restore and preserve.