Third world USA

[Wolfgang]

And btw the IQ difference start to show up at age 3 which would rule out the effect of public education.

They also reach sexual maturity sooner and have slightly shorter gestation periods. But these facts only dehumanize. Venerate classical African values for African people.

I've met some brilliant Africans. The arguments in favor of a strictly biological reason for African struggle ignore a lot of data.

Check it ;

In 1997, 19.4 percent of all adult African immigrants in the United States held a graduate degree, compared to 8.1 percent of adult white Americans and 3.8 percent of adult black Americans in the United States, respectively. [16] The percentage of Africans with a graduate degree is highest among Nigerian Americans at 28.3 percent, followed closely by Egyptian Americans at 23.8 percent. [17] [18]

Of the African-born population in the United States age 25 and older, 87.9% reported having a high school degree or higher,[19] compared with 78.8% of Asian-born immigrants and 76.8% of European-born immigrants, respectively

Africans from Africa who come here from intact cultural traditions are able to do better and more than hold their own, even in a vastly different society. They also tend to despise slavery population blacks, and refer to them as slaves sometimes. The black power movement in the 60s realized this. Kwanzaa as I learned about in school seemed like a patronizing gesture of inclusiveness, but it actually started out as a veneration of classical African culture and a rejection of slave culture.

[NHA]

You're not seeing the macro of what culture is. Most Americans grew up in white homes, in white neighborhoods, with macro cultural institutions in place in the communities. This is why they get jobs. Graduate college. etc. Not knowing we declared independence from England doesn't take away the true nature of the people(though our people's nature is being rapidly diluted). This inherent nature is fundamentally Northern European, whether it is realized or not.

Culture is an arbitrary set of habits. I've lived in mostly mexican or asian neighborhoods from years 8 - 17 i think. The difference is pretty minimal. Sure there were more robberies and gangs in the mexican areas but the majority of the people were perfectly functional and tried to steer clear of the assholes. Also i don't see there being all that many cultural institutions in local communities. Theres the church and a handful of holidays where people BBQ in communal areas.

African slaves were not connected at all to their people, and their culture was specifically designed and shaped to keep them reliant and quiet.

So what? The non-slaves that were left behind and still attached to their culture aren't doing any better.

You have confirmation bias. You want to hate them. You find proof in the pudding then. Like the IQ tests and such. I've used those same tests before to justify negative feelings.

You're imagining things just to feel sorry for them. I'm mostly neutral towards blacks but find that a lot of them seem kinda retarded. The IQ tests aren't justifying anything, they're just one of many indicators. If blacks had the best civilization on the planet and were constantly producing geniuses yet somehow were scoring low on IQ tests everyone would clearly agree the test isn't working right.

But it doesn't make sense to say an entire continent of people would be fundamentally "fuck ups". They would have selected out of existence.

No, it doesn't work that way.

Instead, we must analyze why they are fuck ups. The cultural traditions of African are the least compatible with the rest of the planet. We need ask why. This could possibly be because of neuromorphology being different than other groups, which are much closer related to each other. It isn't hard to see why Africans look "less evolved" slightly than the rest of old world humanity, which is by in large approximately equal cognitively and is just in different states of cultural development. This could be related to the fact they're closer to earlier modern human forms due to not having to face the selective pressures the peoples that left Africa long ago faced.

Seems like a reasonable possibility.

Or it could be related to the fact there was far far less cultural interchange between Africa and the rest of the world than the rest of global North had. Africa was beyond the coast isolated until colonialism which completely fucked up large amounts of their native culture rapidly, and infused with with very alien forms.

You mean how south america was isolated? All these arguments are the same for them yet somehow they manage to be in decent shape. Japan has also been isolated for a large part of its development. China had long periods of isolation. Visigoth tribesmen were conquered by Muslims for 800 years and within a 100 years of reconquering their territory they launched their campaign in the Americas.  

I wonder how quickly the savage Germanic and Celtic barbarians of 1500 years ago that would later become Northern Europeans would have gotten their shit together if they were suddenly invaded by Chinese who imposed completely alien systems upon them.

And being conquered by Romans is different how?

Only once the modern period came into existence did Germanics move past the basic primitive state not unlike Africans were mostly in until colonialism. Little written language, no amazing civilizations, nothing like that existed until relatively recently. This is why we know almost nothing about our classical Germanic Paganism. No giant temples to Thor can be found and only shreds of runic history remain.

I've always felt northern Europe was culturally inferior to the south. Even when germanic tribes managed to conquer roman areas they just ended up becoming romanized shortly after. Yet northern europe mostly developed along the same lines as the rest of europe after being conquered and christianized around 900ad or so. Even before that their trade economy was in pretty good shape and they had founded a few civilizations in the area of Russia. I think its a huge stretch to compare them to sub Saharan Africans who have basicly yet to accomplish anything at all past the stage of hunter gatherer (assuming Nubia didn't extend into what is now considered SSA).

I'm over scientic racism that begins and ends with IQ test results.

Yes it is clearly so biased that it's inventors aren't even the ones scoring the highest on it.

Western exploitation of Africans is a large part of the cultural guilt that is being used to destroy us. Turn away from it. Whites must learn to value the sanctity of all human traditions, without sacrificing our own. This is a balance the Japanese have learned. And we have not. We northern Europeans are a barbaric lot really.

Japan is a pretty terrible example. Japanese are convinced that they are the chosen people and are culturally superior. They just don't go around throwing it in peoples faces. Arabs seem to be pretty arrogant in this regard too. The only dysfunctional ones in this aspect are Europeans.

At the end of the day you can take any example of something bad that has happened to blacks and find even worse examples elsewhere in history. Somehow everyone else manages to adapt.

[NHA]

Africans from Africa who come here from intact cultural traditions are able to do better and more than hold their own, even in a vastly different society

Jumping to conclusions without controlling for any number of other factors that could possibly contribute to those numbers.

The few Africans that I've met in the US have seemed pretty pleasant though i must admit. But its also likely that the only ones with the means to have that type of mobility/money/education were the ones who were intelligent all a long and came from a family of intelligent people.

I think the bottom line is a person who is intelligent will always find a way to adapt or even excel despite the environment hes put in. Education itself has little to do with changing a persons potential.

Of course this only goes so far. If you put an otherwise intelligent child in a chicken coop for his entire childhood without any exposure to humans hes gonna be seriously fucked up.

But on the other hand the black community in the U.S. certainly doesn't live in a vacuum.

[Wolfgang]

You're not seeing the macro of what culture is. Most Americans grew up in white homes, in white neighborhoods, with macro cultural institutions in place in the communities. This is why they get jobs. Graduate college. etc. Not knowing we declared independence from England doesn't take away the true nature of the people(though our people's nature is being rapidly diluted). This inherent nature is fundamentally Northern European, whether it is realized or not.

Culture is an arbitrary set of habits. I've lived in mostly mexican or asian neighborhoods from years 8 - 17 i think. The difference is pretty minimal. Sure there were more robberies and gangs in the mexican areas but the majority of the people were perfectly functional and tried to steer clear of the assholes. Also i don't see there being all that many cultural institutions in local communities. Theres the church and a handful of holidays where people BBQ in communal areas.

African slaves were not connected at all to their people, and their culture was specifically designed and shaped to keep them reliant and quiet.

So what? The non-slaves that were left behind and still attached to their culture aren't doing any better.

You have confirmation bias. You want to hate them. You find proof in the pudding then. Like the IQ tests and such. I've used those same tests before to justify negative feelings.

You're imagining things just to feel sorry for them. I'm mostly neutral towards blacks but find that a lot of them seem kinda retarded. The IQ tests aren't justifying anything, they're just one of many indicators. If blacks had the best civilization on the planet and were constantly producing geniuses yet somehow were scoring low on IQ tests everyone would clearly agree the test isn't working right.

But it doesn't make sense to say an entire continent of people would be fundamentally "fuck ups". They would have selected out of existence.

No, it doesn't work that way.

Instead, we must analyze why they are fuck ups. The cultural traditions of African are the least compatible with the rest of the planet. We need ask why. This could possibly be because of neuromorphology being different than other groups, which are much closer related to each other. It isn't hard to see why Africans look "less evolved" slightly than the rest of old world humanity, which is by in large approximately equal cognitively and is just in different states of cultural development. This could be related to the fact they're closer to earlier modern human forms due to not having to face the selective pressures the peoples that left Africa long ago faced.

Seems like a reasonable possibility.

Or it could be related to the fact there was far far less cultural interchange between Africa and the rest of the world than the rest of global North had. Africa was beyond the coast isolated until colonialism which completely fucked up large amounts of their native culture rapidly, and infused with with very alien forms.

You mean how south america was isolated? All these arguments are the same for them yet somehow they manage to be in decent shape. Japan has also been isolated for a large part of its development. China had long periods of isolation. Visigoth tribesmen were conquered by Muslims for 800 years and within a 100 years of reconquering their territory they launched their campaign in the Americas.  

I wonder how quickly the savage Germanic and Celtic barbarians of 1500 years ago that would later become Northern Europeans would have gotten their shit together if they were suddenly invaded by Chinese who imposed completely alien systems upon them.

And being conquered by Romans is different how?

Only once the modern period came into existence did Germanics move past the basic primitive state not unlike Africans were mostly in until colonialism. Little written language, no amazing civilizations, nothing like that existed until relatively recently. This is why we know almost nothing about our classical Germanic Paganism. No giant temples to Thor can be found and only shreds of runic history remain.

I've always felt northern Europe was culturally inferior to the south. Even when germanic tribes managed to conquer roman areas they just ended up becoming romanized shortly after. Yet northern europe mostly developed along the same lines as the rest of europe after being conquered and christianized around 900ad or so. Even before that their trade economy was in pretty good shape and they had founded a few civilizations in the area of Russia. I think its a huge stretch to compare them to sub Saharan Africans who have basicly yet to accomplish anything at all past the stage of hunter gatherer (assuming Nubia didn't extend into what is now considered SSA).

I'm over scientic racism that begins and ends with IQ test results.

Yes it is clearly so biased that it's inventors aren't even the ones scoring the highest on it.

Western exploitation of Africans is a large part of the cultural guilt that is being used to destroy us. Turn away from it. Whites must learn to value the sanctity of all human traditions, without sacrificing our own. This is a balance the Japanese have learned. And we have not. We northern Europeans are a barbaric lot really.

Japan is a pretty terrible example. Japanese are convinced that they are the chosen people and are culturally superior. They just don't go around throwing it in peoples faces. Arabs seem to be pretty arrogant in this regard too. The only dysfunctional ones in this aspect are Europeans.

At the end of the day you can take any example of something bad that has happened to blacks and find even worse examples elsewhere in history. Somehow everyone else manages to adapt.

You undervaluing the whole of what culture truly is.

The black Africans exposed to Islamic invaders or Christian invaders or even older groups were able to form large empires. Which is why the two kingdoms that were never conquered by Europeans were in those same basic areas.

Roman culture and ways were much more compatible with Germanic ways due to the fact the people were connected through shared heritage. That said, it took Europe hundreds of years to climb back out of the darkness after Rome fell. Africa was only conquered over the last few hundred years and colonial rule began to end in the 1950s. Many people are still alive who were under colonial rule. There were no symphonies being conducted in Germania immediately after the end of the Roman empire. It took Europeans much more time to conquer Africa than it did to conquer the Americas.

Afghanistan is populated by descendents of Persians and related ethnic groups with thousands of years of glorious history, but currently the place is as fucked up as Africa. The same is true in much of post colonial Arabia. Another factor in why Africa remains stunted is the population boom slowing cultural and economic growth, and modern technologies like AK47s being used by the ruling casts to control the populace.

The idea that "blakz is borns stupidz" is a hold over from Southern/Nazi ideas, and is used against the white race by our Ashkenazi ruling cast. It's barbaric and uncivilized. Celebrate - maintain - revere true diversity. Reject fake multiculturalism, but do not be an asshole.

[Wolfgang]

I've found numerous studies that eliminate the IQ differences in children of any race who are raised by whites until adolescence, once they start to become "culturally black". After WWII, there was a group of half black kids born to German mothers as a result of mingling with black American soldiers, and their IQ differences were practically zero. Also, in black communities, the level of European genes has no correlation in IQ scores. But skin tone does. Skin tone isn't directly related to European genes.

[NHA]

The black Africans exposed to Islamic invaders or Christian invaders or even older groups were able to form large empires. Which is why the two kingdoms that were never conquered by Europeans were in those same basic areas.

If they're in close enough proximity to be culturally influenced it would make sense that there would also be a genetic influence also no? Or it could be that this subset of blacks are just superior to those around them. I haven't read anything that describes the sub categories of Africans in the same detail as Europeans (like C.S. Coon's book for example).

Roman culture and ways were much more compatible with Germanic ways due to the fact the people were connected through shared heritage. That said, it took Europe hundreds of years to climb back out of the darkness after Rome fell.

I don't see any evidence that an imposed Chinese culture would somehow be incompatible. I've yet to read anything mind blowing in Confucius. He seems to be on the same page as most Abrahamic religions.

That said, it took Europe hundreds of years to climb back out of the darkness after Rome fell.

The dark ages seem to be commonly exaggerated and mostly in describing the lack of literature. Supposedly there was a more or less steady progression of technology and the continent had turned into a church state - Christendom.

"The term and its conventional meaning were introduced by Italian humanists with invidious intent; the humanists were engaged in a revival of Classical learning and culture, and the notion of a thousand-year period of darkness and ignorance separating them from the ancient Greek and Roman world served to highlight the humanists’ own work and ideals. In a sense, the humanists invented the Middle Ages in order to distinguish themselves from it. The Middle Ages nonetheless provided the foundation for the transformations of the humanists’ own Renaissance."

There were no symphonies being conducted in Germania immediately after the end of the Roman empire.

Where were symphonies being conducted during this time period? Roman music was very simple. Islamic music started to peak around 750 or so and was influenced by Greek and Indian theory.  The short lived Carolingian renaissance was happening around the same time in Europe.

I've found numerous studies that eliminate the IQ differences in children of any race who are raised by whites until adolescence, once they start to become "culturally black".

Can you link one? There seems to be lots of different conclusions you could pull from this.

After WWII, there was a group of half black kids born to German mothers as a result of mingling with black American soldiers, and their IQ differences were practically zero.

Compared to which population? And this seems to contradict your next assertion that skin color correlates with IQ score.

Also, in black communities, the level of European genes has no correlation in IQ scores. But skin tone does. Skin tone isn't directly related to European genes.

The quantity of random European genes is of no real interest. If they wanted to study intelligence they'd be looking at specific genes/mutations and the rates they occur in different population groups.


Even putting the race issue aside there seems to be a growing number of papers that suggest intelligence is influenced more by genetics than environment - which isn't to say environment is irrelevant. This pretty much falls in line with what I've seen in reality. Intelligent parents seem to usually have smart kids even in instances where they are raised by single parents or poor or orphaned.

[Wolfgang]

http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/j/jencks-gap.html

Read through this.

The genetic predisposition to race and IQ scores is low if it exists at all. It might, but it is very nominal in my view. This is not an advocation to rampant miscegenation, as rapid cultural and ethnic intermixing is bad for national identity and unity, and destroys true, beautiful human diversity. But these are not inherently negative traits.

You don't understand what culture truly entails though. Culture determines how you begin to teach and educate your child from birth. I held opinions more like yours in my younger days. They're easier to swallow and seem to confirm what reality tells us, but "white" people were barbaric illiterate nomads to the more olive colored people of the world just 2,000 years ago. Not everything is as simple as it seems. Stay away from "March of the Titans" and "The Birth of a Nation". That shit is a great ideal, but it is just as garbage as the black versions.

If you wanted to breed a true master race of humans to resettle a new planet take the pure physical brute post slave African American stock and splice it with the 120+ scoring ashkenazi ruling cast of today. NFL wide receivers and team owners.

Fun fact - Did you know Israel has only won ONE gold medal in Olympic competition? Though I am sure they've reaped plenty of gold out of it.

[NHA]

Stay away from "March of the Titans" and "The Birth of a Nation". That shit is a great ideal, but it is just as garbage as the black versions.

Come on, that's obvious.

You don't understand what culture truly entails though. Culture determines how you begin to teach and educate your child from birth.

Right, they're indoctrinated with the cultures' political, moral and material values. Yet somehow in many individuals this doesn't stick past early adulthood. An intelligent person should have the capability to introspect and analyze and reevaluate things for themselves. 

Fun fact - Did you know Israel has only won ONE gold medal in Olympic competition? Though I am sure they've reaped plenty of gold out of it.

What event? haha.

[Wolfgang]

Stay away from "March of the Titans" and "The Birth of a Nation". That shit is a great ideal, but it is just as garbage as the black versions.

Come on, that's obvious.

You don't understand what culture truly entails though. Culture determines how you begin to teach and educate your child from birth.

Right, they're indoctrinated with the cultures' political, moral and material values. Yet somehow in many individuals this doesn't stick past early adulthood. An intelligent person should have the capability to introspect and analyze and reevaluate things for themselves. 

Fun fact - Did you know Israel has only won ONE gold medal in Olympic competition? Though I am sure they've reaped plenty of gold out of it.

What event? haha.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_at_the_Olympics

Culture is greater than "being intelligent" and "realizing things" though.

[Jim Necroslaughter]

Only once the modern period came into existence did Germanics move past the basic primitive state not unlike Africans were mostly in until colonialism. Little written language, no amazing civilizations, nothing like that existed until relatively recently. This is why we know almost nothing about our classical Germanic Paganism. No giant temples to Thor can be found and only shreds of runic history remain.

I've always felt northern Europe was culturally inferior to the south. Even when germanic tribes managed to conquer roman areas they just ended up becoming romanized shortly after. Yet northern europe mostly developed along the same lines as the rest of europe after being conquered and christianized around 900ad or so. Even before that their trade economy was in pretty good shape and they had founded a few civilizations in the area of Russia. I think its a huge stretch to compare them to sub Saharan Africans who have basicly yet to accomplish anything at all past the stage of hunter gatherer (assuming Nubia didn't extend into what is now considered SSA).

I remember someone saying on this very forum, actually, that there was a theory that in the North the building material was, of course, wood and not stone.  This accounted, somewhat, for the lack of surviving architecture as in the South.  Not sure how true that is, but it could theoretically make sense, stone being more resilient against the elements.

Another thing:  what is the cultural artifact of the North par excellence?  The Viking ship.  Navigating the sea was their expertise.  And truly the viking ships were not only perfectly made for the sea, functionally, they were also beautiful, aesthetically.  The longships were arguably the most important "technical" and "artistic" innovation in all of the Dark Ages.

In the Sagas of the Icelanders it becomes clear that the Norwegians were a people with that "itch" to explore and wander.  They weren't just content with a little plot of land.  They wanted whole farms.  This is why the left Norway for Iceland, Greenland, Newfoundland, etc.

The people of Northern Europe truly are a seafaring people.  It's really no surprise that Norwegians dominate the crab fishing industry in Alaska to this very day.

[Wolfgang]

Only once the modern period came into existence did Germanics move past the basic primitive state not unlike Africans were mostly in until colonialism. Little written language, no amazing civilizations, nothing like that existed until relatively recently. This is why we know almost nothing about our classical Germanic Paganism. No giant temples to Thor can be found and only shreds of runic history remain.

I've always felt northern Europe was culturally inferior to the south. Even when germanic tribes managed to conquer roman areas they just ended up becoming romanized shortly after. Yet northern europe mostly developed along the same lines as the rest of europe after being conquered and christianized around 900ad or so. Even before that their trade economy was in pretty good shape and they had founded a few civilizations in the area of Russia. I think its a huge stretch to compare them to sub Saharan Africans who have basicly yet to accomplish anything at all past the stage of hunter gatherer (assuming Nubia didn't extend into what is now considered SSA).

I remember someone saying on this very forum, actually, that there was a theory that in the North the building material was, of course, wood and not stone.  This accounted, somewhat, for the lack of surviving architecture as in the South.  Not sure how true that is, but it could theoretically make sense, stone being more resilient against the elements.

Another thing:  what is the cultural artifact of the North par excellence?  The Viking ship.  Navigating the sea was their expertise.  And truly the viking ships were not only perfectly made for the sea, functionally, they were also beautiful, aesthetically.  The longships were arguably the most important "technical" and "artistic" innovation in all of the Dark Ages.

In the Sagas of the Icelanders it becomes clear that the Norwegians were a people with that "itch" to explore and wander.  They weren't just content with a little plot of land.  They wanted whole farms.  This is why the left Norway for Iceland, Greenland, Newfoundland, etc.

The people of Northern Europe truly are a seafaring people.  It's really no surprise that Norwegians dominate the crab fishing industry in Alaska to this very day.

Northern Europeans are all Germanics, or have strong Germanic influence ethnically and culturally. As a whole, they have been the most successful sea faring people of all time, with a respectful nod to the great Polynesian navigators and colonizers. The French, English, Dutch, Portuguese and Spanish and others did most of the sailing and colonizing of the world. These people are mostly Germanic or significantly Germanicized in Spain and Portugal's case. Kind of Ironic of all the Germanics, Germany is the least notable for sailing.

[Conservationist]

We should separate the issues of racial differences from the issue of diversity being shit.

I have suffered through enough of the debates on racial differences to know this:

(1) For one side, it's a totally religious endeavor and they will never change their minds.
(2) The debate invariably becomes personal.
(3) The truth is obvious and equally obvious is its divisive nature
(4) Wherever it and the diversity debate are mingled, nothing is decided

I suggest we split these topics now.

[Wolfgang]

If whites want to survive, the ones who want to survive must must must let go of the notion that different and better are the same. If we release these notions from each other, more will come to value their own heritage. We cannot be assholes anymore to other members of our species and expect not to look like assholes. Act like gentlemen.

"Diversity" needs reclaimed. The only people out to protect diversity is us.

[analrapist]

White people hate themselves. We are dying of guilt for being wealthy. It is an extension of the Enlightenment, Magna Carta and French revolution. If we stop believing that some people are inherently more apt than others, we start feeling guilty for having more money than the drunk guy cleaning our toilets.

[Wolfgang]

White people hate themselves. We are dying of guilt for being wealthy. It is an extension of the Enlightenment, Magna Carta and French revolution. If we stop believing that some people are inherently more apt than others, we start feeling guilty for having more money than the drunk guy cleaning our toilets.

White guilt is molded into this self hatred and modern anti-culturalism, but we fundamentally change nothing. Society is still calibrated to keep African Americans disjointed and weak. We still murder millions of children for resources and imperialist agendas.