We all know the score in entertainment: 90% of the people are full-tilt Left-leaning, and the remaining 10% have to hide their views until they are too big and too old to fear repercussions. A Swedish folk-rock duo named Lilou & John have launched a website, Belzebubbles, to feature Right-leaning bands who have been censored or ignored by the entertainment establishment.
Their aim is to put together all of the bands of a certain range of political persuasions in one place, instead of separating them by genre, so that you might have metal, folk-rock, industrial and nationalist reggae together in the same place. They took a few minutes out of their busy day of dissident activity to talk to us.
You have some heavy metal listening in your past. Which bands did you like, and how did they shape your thinking or work?
John: Hard to explain in a short text but I’ll try. Motörhead wrote the best rock lyrics ever. They made me realize that lyrics do not need to be “nice” or “cool,” lyrics can be like death and war, relentless. When I wrote “When Murder Victims Die” I actually had “Lost in the Ozone” and “Back at the Funny Farm” in my head, and there are Motörhead-references in more than one song. Ozzy Osbourne and Black Sabbath showed me how to use theatrical settings and not to be scared of the dark, embrace it! Saxon gave me “Crusader” which told me how to build up a story about something bigger than yourself and evoke that “we’re all united” feeling. “The Trooper” inspired me to write “Solferino.” I also thought Quorthon, Lemmy and Cronos had the best vocals until I met Lilou. She comes up with all our melodies by the way.
Lilou: My relation to heavy metal have been shaped by people around me. They have through the years given me bands like Iron Maiden, AC/DC and Metallica. Nowadays I mainly use them for vocal preferences, since I find their way of singing inspiring.
What kind of metal band do you see as fitting on the site? Is there a large scene in Sweden for such bands?
Heavy metal is big in Sweden, or used to be until the great influx of migrants made hip hop bigger. We still have Sweden Rock Festival, though, which attracts huge numbers of people and people listen to metal, but they do it more or less “underground,” since the political establishment doesn’t like the music as it is “too white.” We would like to see all kinds of metal bands on Belzebubbles, black metal, death metal, power metal, you name it, we want it.
What do bands get in exchange for working with you? What sort of content do you anticipate having on the site in the future?
They get a positive review — we only cover good bands — and, if they want, an interview. We link to the articles on Twitter and Gab and encourage people to buy their music. We welcome all genres and in the future we hope to attract more and more bands from all over the world who are sick and tired of left wing ga-ga. Furthermore, they can use quotes from our review for their own promotion and they get a chance to give their fans a deeper insight into who they are as a band. Our own network is growing by the day and we mention Belzebubbles to basically everybody which means the bands get more attention. As far as we know, Belzebubbles is also the first music blog of its kind ever, and the bands we cover are the first ones out. One of our goals is to collaborate with other blogs, festivals and music supervisors etc in the future.
Can you describe your personal political outlook, how it was shaped and what you overcame to get there?
John: I like to describe myself as a “Jacobin Conservative” politically, part Identitarian Conservative, part Alt-Right Nationalist and part Classical Liberal. I started out as Communist for the same reason as everyone else: I wanted to be popular and being a Communist is the easiest way of building a career in Sweden, sadly. Lilou made me see the light just by asking me to explain what I meant when I talked about “white privilege” and “male superiority.” I have lost a number of friends and colleagues in the process but I won myself.
Lilou: I’ve never been interested in politics, I’m more into people and logic (meaning the machinery behind the politics). John, however, says I’m the biggest fascist he’s ever met, ha ha. I just don’t accept that any power beyond me decides what I should think or feel.
Are you ever going to record a metal album, or that Slayer cover that may once have been suggested to you by some annoying guy?
Our next album will be some kind of Venomish alternative heavy rock project (as far as we have planned anyway), we are in the process of choosing songs actually. Dissidentica was supposed to be a metal album, but we changed our minds after the scumbags at Swedish national radio treated us like Zulus in 1970s Pretoria. We decided that the need for a dissident pop album was greater than the need for great metal.
Can you explain your concept of “R3C” music and how it is different than what has existed before?
”R3C” is short for Right Wing Music / Conservative Counter Culture. We used to call it “RiWi/CCC” when we started but that acronym was too long and clumsy. R3C is basically music that is outside of the box of political correctness. National Socialists have promoted their bands for years while International Socialists run the rest of the show. There are a few exceptions, like Scottish covert-Nationalist band Runrig, metal bands like Amon Amarth and some country artists, but on the whole there is little room in MSM for anti-Establishment bands today. What we believe is the new thing about R3C is that the productions are often slightly rough, maintaining the originality of what makes the artist unique. The voices express emotions and sincerity instead of superfluous drama. Back to the origins of music if you may. We want everybody to start using the term R3C for this kind of music, let The New York Times know the times they are a-changing.
Do you draw lines on the Right, for example, would Libertarian and National Socialist bands both be accepted?
As long as the bands match our criteria: they are not welcome anywhere else and they do their own thing instead of copy-catting Rihanna, we will take them under consideration. We will also write about bands that already have a following, but are too far-right for MSM and make good music that touches your heart or brain. If we come across a fabulous song written by a Classical Liberal or National Socialist, we’re gonna write about it. If you deny facts such as the Holocaust or The Islamization of Europe, however, we might think you’re a bit too weird and refuse your submission for that reason. We welcome all kinds of people, however, we will not cover music with racist lyrics, national socialists making a song about general immigration issues would be fine, but no lyrics about inferior races etc.
If you are familiar with Swedish metal bands, which do you think were right-wing or right-leaning, and how did they communicate these values?
Sabathon is by far the Swedish band that has been accused of being “Nazis” the most number of times. We believe that if the Left wing got its way they would ban all heavy metal for being right wing extremists. Metalheads are often looked upon as some kind of leftover from the Third Reich. I guess Bathory was kind of Right wing, like Amon Amarth even if they for obvious reasons wouldn’t say it out loud if they were, Satyricon is Norwegian I think but they seem to be right wing leaning. Most metal bands try to keep a safe distance to politics, but I think heavy metal is one of the best examples of meta-politics during the 20th century and today. I think most metal bands would be right wing if they were to engage in politics. But you know what happens to those who admit it. Most metal bands are probably covert-Alt-Right, Identitarian or Classical Liberal. It would surprise us otherwise, since their imagery, lyrics and music are always masculine and strong, and one thing you know about the left wing is that masculinity and strength are no-go areas if you excuse the pun.
If people are interested in what you are doing, how do they participate in Belzebubbles and follow your work in Lilou & John?
They support the musicians or submit their music on http://www.belzebubbles.com/ and they check us out on http://www.liloujohn.com/. We can also be found on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, YouTube and Gab. Please contact us or spread the word. Furthermore, everybody should skip the “oh this world is going to hell” and instead start thinking “we will transform this rotten borough into something new and better, and we’re on the winning side.” People should start promoting good bands, authors, artists coming from the right wing. Tell your friends about R3C and if you’re into this new kind of cultural movement, be proud of it.
Tags: belzebubbles, folk, lilou & john, r3c, right-wing music
All this left right liberal conservative talk is just tiresome.
I agree. Fuck the Left AND the Right.
You will end up on one side whether you like it or not, because this is not a matter of opting in to a group with membership, but type of philosophy. Leftism is individualism, rightism is hierarchy. Which do you choose? If you waffle, you create something that inevitably becomes one or the other.
I would like to elaborate on that answer and say that as far as I see, leftism is pretending (or believing) that other people are more important than yourself. I think Bismarck once said that he only heard the word “Europe” from people who did not dare to demand things for themselves but wanted to hide behind an altruistic image. I think that sums up my interpretation of the word “leftist”.
Rightism, I would say, is acknowledging that we do things because we think we can profit from them. Machiavelli described humanity quite well (sadly), and the only thing leftism adds to the equation is a blindfold.
And just like I interpret your words, Brett, sooner or later the government might eat you if you stay out of politics altogether. Sad to say but the people who made it out of Russia in the 1920s were those who saw what was coming. Just like the Soviet prime minister put it in the old John Cleese comedy Big Bang (I think that’s its name): neutral countries will have the option “rare, medium or well done”. Metaphors seldom survive careful scrutinizing but the point is there.
Nonsense.
There is only one real choice, DEATH!
Theories are all nice and dandy and there are a real lot of good sounding theories. However, in the end, this all comes down to “Do I expect this to help me?” and – as German living in England – the answer is obviously “No”. As entirely usual when coming into contact with groups of people, I’m supposed to be one of the roadkills which will have to happen in order to achieve some greater good for somebody else.
And the beauty of any theory obviously ends here.
Alt right folk is the new NSBM
Minus the racism, cause that’s taking it too far. It seems pc leftism’s effects are boundless.
It’s still racism. They just use “incompatible” instead of “inferior”. It’s pretty fucking PC actually: “Persons of Incompatible Culture”
Reality is racist, deal with it
Yes, reality is reality, and racism is a part of reality. People are people, we can never change that (some governments have tried with devestating consequences).
Racism is a healthy attitude — love of one’s own people and xenophobia — turned into an angry emotional one, just like everything else in the age of mass politics. Sensible people say “diversity does not work,” but the only popular viewpoints are either “these Other are really bad and we should kill them” or “strength is evil, embrace the Other and destroy yourselves.”
One’s people and one’s state are two very different notions
In sane times a nation would be inseparable from its people. Ein Volk, Ein Reich…
Obviously there are even those on the right who have a knee-jerk reaction to National Socialism and every idea associated with it, which is a shame.
My “people” are the ones I know and like, family, friends, non-annoying neightbors, etc, from this I proceed to those they themselves like, with a bit less degree obviously, etc… Having to like some asshole because he happens to be my cousin, or because he happens to be born in the same “nation”, or conversely having to not like someone because we can’t trace back to some half-mythical common ancestors is retarded. My people will only be all from the same state as me when there will be only one state of the face of the Earth. After than the only thing needed would be for the state to be liberal enough to not force us to like those we don’t (which is something nation-states can’t do as the simple fact of competition between them all enforces that soft version of a siege mentality).
Nationalism disregards superior/inferior questions and instead asks who belongs in a nation, its people or everyone else? And the answer is that if that nation wants to survive, it must exclude everyone else. This is different from racism, which wants all white people to be one big happy moon-faced group of mixed-origin proles, living in a consumer democracy and continuing to be vapid, with no traces of the greatness of the past.
I was merely pointing out how this duo wants to give support to, and publicize censored far right music, but not too far right. They draw a line for their support of the unsupported. They just want a slice, but not the whole cake and all of it’s gradient frosting.
It’s more a matter of us supporting people whose ideas we like. There is no point in us presenting National Socialist or Anarchist lyrics since that would risk turning culture in a direction that we think is bad. I already live in a Socialist country and I think it sucks so why would I want classical National Socialist ideas to spread.
We have, however, decided that if a National Socialist comes up with a song that does not push classical NS ideas, we post it. I want to be able to defend everything that we post on our page, and I cannot defend NS.
You don’t need to defend your motives to me. I’m merely being observational. For myself, I don’t have any interest in progress for this world, so all ideals that have such goals are equal in my equal my eyes. It doesn’t mean anything to me one way or the other. I am a supporter of extremism and believe that if one is going to support something they should take it to its extreme and support everything that that something blanket. Apologism is weak.
*in my eyes
I recognize your way of thinking. I may has something to do with different life situations. Since I married and got kids I want to protect them and protecting them means that I want to reverse the process that brands them as “oppressors” just for having white skin. I know what can happen to imaginary oppressors in the minds of feeble cowards in large numbers.
Diversity does not work.
Democracy self-destructs.
Pacifism and personal religious morality make people weak and suicidal.
Ugly modernistic societies make people existentially miserable.
…topics for adults, of whom there are few out there.
Yes. Racism (left or right) is just another way of hiding from the fact that people are individuals. I don’t care about people’s origin, I only care about if they are 1) standing up for themselves instead of pretending to care about “the world”, 2) looking at the world honestly instead of hiding behind utopian visions that people will one day turn into saints, 3) respecting other people’s right to exist and choose their own way of living as long as it doesn’t hurt innocent people instead of trying to kill and shut up people who might have a different world view.
This is my main concern. Realism > humanism. Humanism is wishful thinking.
Yes humanism is wishful thinking. If we can change the meaning of the word from “believing in utopias” to “looking at man with brutal honesty” it will be a useful word. I think the best way to defeat the left wing is not to fight their words, but to re-define their words that they have re-defined before. That’s how the Social Conservatives are working in Sweden, taking the Social Democratic vocabulary and giving the words new meaning. It works.
There’s a programming concept called duck typing: If it looks, walks and quacks like it duck, it is – for all practical purpose – a duck. Practically, this means if you talk like a hippie, you are probably a hippie, or here, a copycat hippie as you’re just applying something you consider to be a proven formula to sell something different.
However, this proven formula is dreck.
Random thought I feel like putting here:
The means foreshadow what the end will become.
I don’t claim this is true, so far, that’s just an idea I had.
I think you have a point there. I just don’t understand where it fits in. Us starting a music site? AltRighters, Identitarians, Classical Liberals starting news sites and protesting against unnecessary wars, terrorism, political violence, oppression of free speech and (in mainland Europe anyway) pushing society towards what might develop into a low intensity civil war? If that is the means I think the end will be quite nice. :)
I don’t get it. You mean creating a music site that promotes right wing music won’t help spreading right wing music? It works, I can sure you.
I was referring to this re-purposing of terms, especially of the so-called “1960s revolution”, ie, the “counterculture” and all that stuff. One of my pet theories is that all this “new-rightism” is nothing but the boombabies moving towards the political right (as they have been doing since the revolution didn’t come last century) in their old age and everyone else instinctively following suit, as it has always been.
So, we’re still supposed to “wait for the revolution which will come soon” and “be a counterculture” etc, just that the red looks rownish/ blackish meanwhile. And I’m thoroughly tired of this eternal ideology of mindlessly destroying whatever someone else built. That’s seriously stale by now and so far, the only lasting outcome was the porn industry.
Terms get confused here. You might want to look into the New Right, specifically Alain de Benoist and Guillaume Faye.
It helps to be familiar with Julius Evola here; he explains Gramsci and Schmidt enough that you do not have to read them!
I cannot imagine undertaking the Right without being familiar with Plato and Nietzsche.
In the meantime, we should look into the Alt Right, which is mostly a Gen X thing…
I’ve been listening to quite a bit of (quite bloodthirsty at times) German pagan black metal recently[*]. Judging from the lyrics, I strongly suspect the people who created the music are not »left-leaning« but I don’t care what (if anything) they’d vote for as – thankfully – they have something more interesting to communicate than another plan how to save this world (Without changing the people? Fat chance …) in fifteen simple steps while getting paid to do so.
[*] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1q7gvt2qjMc
I guess that is where the alt right differs from left wing rhetorics as well as mainstream conservatives: they are not interested in saving the world, just saving themselves. Quite an honest approach I believe, if sometimes too partizan. That is partly why I have always loved heavy metal, because the genre is (mostly) not into world saving projects. Most metalheads I know have been keeping to themselves, never bothered anyone else, frankly they are among the nicest guys I know for that reason.
Any realistic plan to save this world begins with ending the voting.
In an ideal universe, I’d be living in a functioning, actual monarchy. Whenever someone would ask me for my ‘political opinion’, I could just point at the king and answer “That’s none of my business and I don’t have the time to deal with these kind of questions. Even if I had the time, I’d prefer spending it on something else. Like clearing away open rubbish dumps in front of my garden which came into being because of ‘unfavourable circumstances’. Or studying something of interest to me. That’s stuff which matters to me.”
And then they will say, “We asked him, and he says to stop studying what interests you, and deliver the yield. And he also said to leave the rubbish dumps alone.”
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I think his point was that a great system would be one that produces kings who would always happen to think just like him, except that they would be kind enough to take care of all the boring tasks he doesn’t want to bother with…
Me writing that I desire to delegate the task of “being a leader of people and an organizer of society at-a-large” to someone with the necessary skills and resources to do it well wasn’t supposed to mean that I really consider myself such a someone. That’s a rather bizarre supposition.
I’m still waiting on the person who came up with the contrived example to explain what it was supposed to demonstrate, however, as soon as other people have power over you, like any government inevitably will, there’s a chance that these other people will force you to do something you’d prefer to avoid. If they were elected, won the “president for a day” lottery or got into this position because they were members of some family doesn’t matter for this.
In Sweden there are politicians who want newborn babies to vote, by the way. Sweden, however, is a mess of a place. :)
>If you deny facts such as the Holocaust … however, we might think you’re a bit too weird and refuse your submission for that reason.
FREE SPEECH(tm)(some restrictions may apply)
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I guess some views are just 2 XTREME
If you want support from ‘the general public’, you have to avoid scaring them before you got it.
It’s not too extreme. I think it’s perfectly okay to deny the Holocaust, the Gulag, whatever. With all respect, I just think it’s idealistic nonsense.
Not everyone critical of the Holocaust is outright denying everything surrounding it. Calling the official “facts” and numbers into question already gets one labeled as a denier and an anti-semite. Also one must be critical of the deification of this single event, that perhaps wasn’t even single one, but a cummulation of many concurring processes usually associated with war.
I totally agree. Saying “the Holocaust is a hoax” is one thing. Saying “the number of people killed, and their ethnicity, during the series of events that historically are referred to as the Holocaust is up for debate” is another thing. I stick to something like: The National Socialists killed a large number of jews after they had been living outside of their homeland for nearly 2000 years, and therefore I understand that many jews think the whole world is after them. The National Socialists, in turn, had their reasons for what they did and the primary trigger for all this to happen was the Weimar republic that was a spineless upper class cosmopolitan project that caused public outrage that sadly turned toward the jews and let the real perpetrators go free.
I cut it to the core: under National Socialism, a whole bunch of Jews went missing. I have no need to look into the Holocaust mythos or the revisionist arguments further than that. If under your leadership, people die, then a problem has occurred. Of course, the six million figure has not been credible for some time. Most of the outright killings — shooting over open graves — were carried out in Eastern Europe by partisans who associated Jews with Communism. It looks to me like Albert Speer was right and that most of the Jews who died at the hands of the Germans perished from disease in labor camps where their sabotage helped make German munitions unreliable. Of course, the real bastard here was the ongoing conflict between Jewish terrorists and the British government, which prevented the “civilized nations” from allowing the Germans to merely ship all the Jews to Palestine. That would have been the only sane resolution to the conflict.
People are labeled deniers if they simply question the numbers.
One of my friends is one of the leaders of the Swedish National Socialist party Nordic Frontier. I don’t agree with him but I support his right to speak freely to 100%. I like intellectual lyrics and lyrics denying the Holocaust, or pushing the Holocaust narrative for short sighted goals for that matter, is not intellectual and therefore not good enough.
Simple as that.
if anybody recognized the definition of ‘holocaust’ they knew it only applied in WWII to only TWO places – Dresden and Hiroshima, both places targeted for decimation by the rich elite.
The jewish (rich) never cared for the countries that were starting to prosper.
Since when did music have to be “intellectual” to be good or worth releasing? There’s lots of great music that’s primal, id-based, dionysian, etc, and frankly stupid at the same time. There’s lots of music with simple political slogan lyrics that somehow amounts to more than the sum of its parts (see Discharge for an obvious left-wing example).
But anyway. You said it’s because holocaust denial is “too weird” in the interview, so I’m calling bullshit.
This is what I thought would happen as people begin capitalizing on the demand for free speech platforms: through in-fighting, or purity-testing, or maybe a bit of good old-fashioned classism (“NS skinhead music just isn’t as ~intellectual~ as vaguely right wingish neofolk…”), these new platforms end up no more free than faceberg/youtube/mainstream labels/etc.
Cut this man some slack, you know what he means; that the music must be of a certain quality, regardless of whether it denies the holocaust or not, to get on his label.
This is reasonable.
There are various ways to define people who confuse form with spirit provided their countenance in itself doesn’t render me incapable of doing so through hysterical laughter. Though I won’t dispute the necessity of the genuinely unbiased critic to apply this function where he see fit, it is by no means the only way of ‘dealing’ with such people. I’m never gonna dance again as these guilty feet have got no rhythm. Though it’s easy to pretend, I know you’re not a fool.
Free speech doesn’t mean that a classical music radio station must start playing punk, it just means that punk should be allowed. If anybody questions the Holocaust, the Islamization of Europe, the Gulag, whatever, be my guest. I just don’t want it on Belzebubbles. There are already sites where NS bands can find support, http://www.nordfront.se sometimes write about NS bands for example. I want a site for all the guys who do not fit into neither the NS community nor mainstream media. And at the same time I want music that I want to listen to, and that’s a personal thing, and I find it disturbing when I hear lyrics that makes no sense to me. But that doesn’t mean I would support a ban against that music or those lyrics. See how I think?
Sure, might amend that to:
The Right wing is moving past NS, which seems to ruin everything it touches like a drunk uncle on parole.
i feel sad for any whites in Europe right now. Europe is under a “silent besiege”. The women who are abused are ignored or laughed at, and the men are in fear or wimps.
The few European whites that speak the truth are treated like garbage.
You know, when this happened before in Rhodesia in the 1970s, there weren’t enough people aware.
A few survived this kind of shit in Africa (ie.Bull river, I think).
This time, maybe all these, NSBM, “pagans” “odinists” , whatever they call themselves, might consider Satan is a liar and YAHWEH might be on their side.
“If you deny facts such as the Holocaust or The Islamization of Europe, however, we might think you’re a bit too weird and refuse your submission for that reason. We welcome all kinds of people, however, we will not cover music with racist lyrics, national socialists making a song about general immigration issues would be fine, but no lyrics about inferior races etc.”
Faggots
Are Nazis in favor of the Holocaust having happened, or are they denying it?
A real Nazi would be like, “lol of course remove kebabsteinberg” but today’s Nazis seem to want democratic approval.
Fucking sitzpinkel, it is. Own what you did and point out that most of the killings were Eastern Europeans who associated Jews with Communism. Or even take the Bill White angle and say that it’s too bad so many pornographers, communists, mafiosi, perverts, etc. were Jewish but they were put in prison for normal crimes. Do your best to explain away the Wannsee Conference. But either way, it’s moot.
The reason is that liberal democracy has failed, the old ways are rising, and we have no need for pointless cruelty. Send everyone home to where they belong and let us go on our merry way, instead of behaving like Leftists who guillotined whole families in The Terror (sort of like The Holocaust) after the French Revolution.
End modernity.